Why the SeaHawks will lose (some stats to think about)......

H4172teh5k1n5 · Post by **H4172teh5k1n5** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:23 pm

The SeaHawks played only 5 teams w/ a winning record this year (Jags, Skins, Cowboys, Giants, & Indy). If you count the Falcons ( 8-8 ) it was 6.

The 'Skins by comparison played 8 w/ a winning record, and played 2 of those teams twice (so 10 if your going by games against winning teams).

Do the math. We played as many winning teams as they played losing teams.

The SeaHawks had the 32nd hardest schedule while the Redskins had the 2nd (that's right, Seattle had the easiest schedule in the NFL!!!!)

The Seahawks beat only 1 team w/ a top ten defence, Dallas, whom we beat twice. 5 of their wins came from the worst 3 defences in the NFL (SF, STL, & HUSTON)

Excluding the IND game (because they didn't play their starters) Hasselbeck averaged a passer rating of only 74.5 against teams w/ a winning record (Arizona's Josh McCown finish the season ranked 24th w/ a passer ranking of 74.9). Alexander averaged 85.5 yards per game against teams w/ a winning record (again excluding the IND game).

The Seahawks are not for real. They have fooled everyone into thinking they are worth something by beating some of the worst teams in the NFL. Beating SF by only 2 points in their first match up is ridiculous. If SF had made their 2 point conversion, it would have gone into overtime. That's sad!!! Enjoy your short stay in the playoffs Seattle. The Redskins are about to show the rest of the NFL what a fake you really are.

H4172teh5k1n5 · Post by **H4172teh5k1n5** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:26 pm

I did some research on our being #1 on "least # of yards and still win in the playoffs" list, and found out that #s 2, 3, & 4 went on to Win Championships. It is just fitting that we set another record. It just happens t o be the fewest yards by a winning team in the playoffs.

#2 2000 Ravens and #3 1942 Redskins both were Championships Teams.

Here is an interesting trend that has followed Gibbs for his entire career, improving upon seeing a team for the second time. Observe the following pattern:

2005
First meeting against Giants: Loss. 36-0
Second meeting: Win. 35-20
First meeting against Cowboys: Win. 14-13 (barely).
Second meeting: Win. 35-7 (easily).
First meeting against Eagles: Win (barely) 17-10.
Second meeting: Win (better) 31-20.
First meeting against Bucs: "Loss". 36-35.
Second meeting: Win. 17-10.
First meeting with Seahawks: Win 20-17 (OT).
** Second meeting: ??? **

2004
First meeting against the Giants: Loss. 20-14.
Second meeting Giants: Win. 31-7.
First meeting against Dallas: Loss. 21-18.
Second meeting: Loss. 13-10 (darn).
First meeting against Eagles: Loss. 28-6 (ouch).
Second meeting: Loss. 17-14 (an improvement).

1992
First meeting against the Cowboys: Loss. 23-10.
Second meeting: Win. 20-17
First meeting against the Eagles: Win. 16-12.
Second meeting: Loss. 17-13 (had the division clinched already).
First meeting against The Giants: Loss. 24-7.
Second meeting: Win. 28-10.
First meeting against The Vikings: Win. 15-13 (whew).
Second meeting: Win. 24-7 (much better).

For those of you that don't recognize trends I'll explain it to you. When Gibbs sees a team for a second time, he improves. In the 10 cases where Gibbs saw a team twice in the last three seasons: He has faired better 8 times, done the same twice, and never done worse. That is a pretty incredible statistic if you think about it. (I can go back further if you want, but you get the idea)

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:30 pm

You forgot to add the Bucs for 2005.

hawkz own · Post by **hawkz own** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:54 pm

Alexander did not avrg. les then 80 yards against a winning team.

READ THE RULES!!! No profanity outside of the smack forum.
-CLL

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:12 pm

hawkz own wrote:Alexander did not avrg. les then 80 yards against a winning team.

READ THE RULES!!! No profanity outside of the smack forum.

What did he average against winning teams?

Also, we usually leave the moderating to the moderators, being that it is their job and all. I'm just saying...

H4172teh5k1n5 · Post by **H4172teh5k1n5** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:12 pm

I stand corrected, he adveraged 85.5. (Which is less than Portis by the way.)

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:15 pm

cvillehog wrote:
hawkz own wrote:Alexander did not avrg. les then 80 yards against a winning team.

READ THE RULES!!! No profanity outside of the smack forum.

What did he average against winning teams?

Also, we usually leave the moderating to the moderators, being that it is their job and all. I'm just saying...

Oh dont worry. It was me alright.

H4172teh5k1n5, take the text formatting out of your signature.

Rhew Churyll · Post by **Rhew Churyll** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:23 pm

Does stats make the game? Or does the game make the stats?

Round and Round we go.

Personally I am too lazy to go to NFL.com or Profootballreference.com to look at every record available to the public and make an accurate obvservation on those stats.

SO I won't.

I have to look at the obvious. NO Redskins Playoff team has won TWICE on the road in the Playoffs.

LINK

So if any Redskins poster can say, "Welp there's a first time for anything."

Then as a Seahawk fan, I can say the same.

H4172teh5k1n5 · Post by **H4172teh5k1n5** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:31 pm

Mark Brunell was the last QB to guide a Wild Card team--the Jacksonville Jaguars--to consecutive road playoff wins.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:35 pm

Rhew Churyll wrote:I have to look at the obvious. NO Redskins Playoff team has won TWICE on the road in the Playoffs.

So if any Redskins poster can say, "Welp there's a first time for anything."

It maybe our second roadgame in this years playoff but we are playing in WASHINGTON :lol:

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:35 pm

Well, since all the Seahawks fans are a little too lazy (or maybe they are still at work out there on the West Coast), and for posterity, Alexander averaged 96.2 yards per game against the 5 teams with winning record they faced. None too shabby (even if the Indy game was "meaningless"), and further evidence of his MVP status.

09/11 @JAC L 14-26 73yds
10/02 @WAS L 17-20 98
10/23 DAL W 13-10 61
11/27 NYG W 24-21 110
12/24 IND W 28-13 139

If we hold him around that average, that will be a pretty good day.

Rhew Churyll · Post by **Rhew Churyll** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:36 pm

Mark Brunell was the last QB to guide a Wild Card team--the Jacksonville Jaguars--to consecutive road playoff wins.

LOL dang it. When I think I win, someone pulls another hidden Ace.

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:41 pm

Rhew Churyll wrote: Personally I am too lazy to go to NFL.com or Profootballreference.com to look at every record available to the public and make an accurate obvservation on those stats.

SO I won't.

I have to look at the obvious. NO Redskins Playoff team has won TWICE on the road in the Playoffs.

LINK

So let me get this straight... you don't have time to go look up a stat... so you state that you won't... and then you provide a link to one of those websites that you don't have time to visit for us to check out a stat?

:roll:

True, no Redskin team has won twice in a row on the road in the playoffs.

But no Seattle team has won two games in a row in the playoffs PERIOD for 20 years... at home or away.

But I do agree that stats mean very little at this juncture.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:45 pm

Rhew Churyll wrote:
Mark Brunell was the last QB to guide a Wild Card team--the Jacksonville Jaguars--to consecutive road playoff wins.

LOL dang it. When I think I win, someone pulls another hidden Ace.

Like I said this is a well informed board :lol:

But keep em coming they need the workout

Rhew Churyll · Post by **Rhew Churyll** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:51 pm

So let me get this straight... you don't have time to go look up a stat... so you state that you won't... and then you provide a link to one of those websites that you don't have time to visit for us to check out a stat?

Oh, I've definitly got time, I wrote LAZY BH not time.

All in fun.

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:57 pm

Here is why I think Seattle is going to loose to us.
We beat them the first time, but what people forget to bring up is CArlos Rogers wasn't even playing in that game. Well starting now he is and we have a stronger secondary than we did last time we played them
Secondely look at their schedule their wins included,
Carinals (2)
Rams (2)
49ers (2)
Giants Okay legit
Eagles
Cowboys (non playoff team, but solid)
Falcons (non playoff team, but solid)
Texans
Titans
The Colts second and third stringers when they locked up homefield and after Tony Dungy's son death.
They played the softest schedule.

hatsOFF2gibbs · Post by **hatsOFF2gibbs** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:03 pm

Enough of these stats, please!
No one is going to be thinking about who had the easier schedule or who beat who when it's game time. All of that stuff is not going to make a difference, its the playoffs!!
I'm focused on our actual play on Saturday, not these convincing factoids. Our offense has to really out perform themselves to have a chance with the Seahawks. They're a good team, whatever the stats say. Like JGibbs said, it's going to be a tough game. That's it. Tough game...we must play our best football. Believe it.

H4172teh5k1n5 · Post by **H4172teh5k1n5** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:05 pm

cvillehog wrote:Well, since all the Seahawks fans are a little too lazy (or maybe they are still at work out there on the West Coast), and for posterity, Alexander averaged 96.2 yards per game against the 5 teams with winning record they faced. None too shabby (even if the Indy game was "meaningless"), and further evidence of his MVP status.

09/11 @JAC L 14-26 73yds
10/02 @WAS L 17-20 98
10/23 DAL W 13-10 61
11/27 NYG W 24-21 110
12/24 IND W 28-13 139

If we hold him around that average, that will be a pretty good day.

you are correct. my stats didn't include the IND game because they didn't play their starters.

H4172teh5k1n5 · Post by **H4172teh5k1n5** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:12 pm

hatsOFF2gibbs wrote:Enough of these stats, please!
No one is going to be thinking about who had the easier schedule or who beat who when it's game time. All of that stuff is not going to make a difference, its the playoffs!!
I'm focused on our actual play on Saturday, not these convincing factoids. Our offense has to really out perform themselves to have a chance with the Seahawks. They're a good team, whatever the stats say. Like JGibbs said, it's going to be a tough game. That's it. Tough game...we must play our best football. Believe it.

Sorry to bore you with another fact, but if our DEF shows up, I think we will win. A lot of people are saying that the 'Skins aren't looking good after their game against the Bucs due to our offencive production. Might I remind you that DEF wins championships. The #2, #3, & #4 teams on the "least yards and still win a playoff game" list all went on to win Championships. #2 2000 Ravens and #3 1942 Redskins. (I can't recall #4 but I'm looking)

hatsOFF2gibbs · Post by **hatsOFF2gibbs** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:09 am

"Defense wins Championships"...wow...what a cliche. Yes, I'm aware our defense will show up and do their best to shutdown Seattle's offense like they did last time.
Our offense definitely has to produce though, don't you agree? STaylor's not always going to have the opportunity to scoop up fumbles and take it to the house!
If our offense shows up and our defense plays like it's been playing the past several weeks, we definitely have a great chance for the NFC Championship game.
My main point is, don't rely on these numbers for comfort. It's going to be a tough game, prepare yourselves!

die cowboys die · Post by **die cowboys die** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:05 am

H4172teh5k1n5 wrote:
cvillehog wrote:Well, since all the Seahawks fans are a little too lazy (or maybe they are still at work out there on the West Coast), and for posterity, Alexander averaged 96.2 yards per game against the 5 teams with winning record they faced. None too shabby (even if the Indy game was "meaningless"), and further evidence of his MVP status.

09/11 @JAC L 14-26 73yds
10/02 @WAS L 17-20 98
10/23 DAL W 13-10 61
11/27 NYG W 24-21 110
12/24 IND W 28-13 139

If we hold him around that average, that will be a pretty good day.

you are correct. my stats didn't include the IND game because they didn't play their starters.

and you are correct to exclude that game. it was NOT against the actual colts who won 13 games in a row.

H4172teh5k1n5 · Post by **H4172teh5k1n5** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:14 pm

The Seahags only played 2 teams w/ a top 10 DEF. The average performance between the two has Hasselbeck with a passer rating of 76.2 and Alexander with only 78 yards per game. They have not been tested. They had the weakest schedule in the NFL this year. They are overrated!!!! They will lose!!!

toolrocks8048 · Post by **toolrocks8048** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:05 pm

You know sometimes we just look at stats too close, and tend to rely on them too much. We need to be mindful "of the statitician that drowned crossing a river with an average depth of 4 feet" (postman). We need to look at the games with our eyes, and my eyes tell me in our time zone we will dominate the Redskins. 31-12!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!

SkinsChic · Post by **SkinsChic** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:05 pm

toolrocks8048 wrote:You know sometimes we just look at stats too close, and tend to rely on them too much. We need to be mindful "of the statitician that drowned crossing a river with an average depth of 4 feet" (postman). We need to look at the games with our eyes, and my eyes tell me in our time zone we will dominate the Redskins. 31-12!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!

When's the last time you had your eyes checked ?

welch · Post by **welch** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:32 pm

I humbly say, forget the stats. Both teams are pretty evenly matched. It will be an interesting game.

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