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Ten Reasons I have No Respect for Mike Wise

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What in all likelihood was LaVar Arrington's last day in the home locker room after a regular season game at FedEx Field featured an ugly shouting match in the training room with his position coach, Dale Lindsey. Arrington had grown tired of Lindsey, the linebackers coach, calling him from upstairs in the booth, berating him for missed assignments in a victory over the New York Giants on Saturday.

He finally hung up on Lindsey, and the feud carried over into the locker room, growing more profane and personal. It ended with Arrington telling Lindsey to "Back off!" and "Treat me like a man!" According to two persons privy to the altercation, the coach went a tad more overboard than the player.


Reason #1: As fans we do not know what preceded this reported argument over the course of the season and are therefore not in a position to put it into a wider context. Wise tries to manipulate us into taking Arrington's side, but in fact we do not have all the facts.

"I was thinking, 'Enough already,' " said one player, on condition of anonymity. "Let LaVar be."

What a fitting send-off for Arrington, the guy who carried Daniel Snyder's banner during the lean years. Beautiful. Way to emotionally beat down a proud, sentimental veteran whose only real character flaw was that he stubbornly believed enough in this organization to want to retire here.


Reason #2: Let LeVar be? Are we supposed to agree with this? As LuvaLuva says "Screw Lavar. If he's blowing assignments then he needs to get beaten just like everyone else. This isn't playtime with Spurrier." What is the priority here? To win football games or to stoke the ego of a superstar whose former teammates (i.e. Trotter) says that he has always had trouble playing within the scheme?

This town is a win from going absolutely ga-ga over Joe Gibbs's team again. Beat the Eagles on Sunday and Gibbs secures a postseason berth for Washington for the first time since 1999. "Ten and six" must sound so much better than 6-10 to the true zealot. What a phenomenal, 12-month turnabout that would be.

But let's not forget the marginalization of Arrington, the franchise's most popular player of the new millennium.


Reason #3: Excuse me, but what the fans want is a winning team, and until Gibbs arrived, Arrington's leadership was not enough to produce enough wins. Why can't Wise recognize the obvious. Why should everyone pander to LaVar's popularity?

The spin being put out on Arrington's latest comments is frankly amazing. Many are ripping the guy who told the Washington Times this week that management didn't want him, that he was most likely done in Washington. People are treating Arrington as if he were a T.O. clone, creating controversy, stirring the pot on the brink of the franchise's most important game in years.

No one is talking about how in two humiliating years, Mr. Redskin was callously turned into Mr. Irrelevant.


Reason #4: Damn right, Mr. Wise. We are not focused on how the last two years have been for our highest paid player. We're thinking about the Philadelphia game and the possibility of making of the playoffs for the first time in 5 years. Do you really think we have our priorities wrong?

Hampered by injury and the lack of confidence his coaches have in him, Arrington rarely plays on third and fourth downs anymore. On many Sunday afternoons, when the opposing offense is facing a third and long, Arrington sits. Never mind that he is bigger and faster than Fred Dean was lining up at defensive end for the great 49ers teams of the 1980s, Arrington's pass-rushing skills are somehow deemed too insignificant to help a blitzing, aggressive defense.


Reason #5: The man completely misses the point. What has LaVar's individual aggressiveness doen for for the team in the last 5 years? How many playoff appearances have there been? Is it possible that being bigger and faster than Fred Dean isn't enough?

When Arrington is given a fair amount of snaps, the masses are informed that it has nothing to do with Arrington playing the way that earned him two Pro Bowl selections. No, they say LaVar got religion, believed in the principles of defensive coach Gregg Williams's system, finally put in the rehab and film time needed to be rewarded with more playing opportunities.

Arrington was asked about a moment he thought his career changed in Washington. He was reminded of a Wizards game last season. His face was flashed on the overhead video scoreboard and was greeted by intermittent boos. He was taking the heat for his team's dismal season. After the game, Arrington waited patiently as the crowd filed out. He had arranged to get a pair of signed shoes from a visiting NBA player. MCI Center security guards would not let him back near the locker rooms. The most popular athlete in town was treated like a deranged fan demanding to be let in the locker room for an autograph.

Arrington got angry and emotional before his future wife calmed him down. The next day, he canceled his season tickets. Was his love affair with Washington already dying?

"No, the town never turned on me," he said, sitting in front of his locker at the team's practice facility in Ashburn on Wednesday. "They were always behind me. It was individuals. That's all I'm going to say."

He won't say who, but we already know where and with whom the enmity began. Snyder, the team owner who made him fabulously rich and befriended his charismatic, handsome linebacking star, dumped him quicker than AOL stock. From the moment Arrington filed a contract grievance in March 2004, contending the team omitted $6.5 million in bonus money agreed upon for the 2006 season, he was shuttled out of Snyder' suite and sent to the doghouse. The Redskins said they did not owe Arrington the money, and the linebacker eventually dropped the arbitration case.


Reason #6: Follow the media herd and blame everything on Snyder. Bottom line is that Lavar's lawyer screwed up and LaVar should have sued his lawyer for malpractice rather than turn on the team. The guy signed a contract that apparently neither he nor his lawyer read. How can you blame Snyder for that?

But with Snyder no longer in his corner, it became open season on Arrington for the coaching staff.


Reason #7: What a cheap shot at the coaching staff!!!

When Arrington was hardly playing in late September and early October this season, he saw Snyder in a hallway and was about to offer some pleasantries. "Don't talk to me," the owner said, according to a person who saw the encounter. "I didn't have anything to do with this."


Reason #8: Given the existing contract dispute, I am not surprised that Snyder started off the discussion my making clear that he was not meddling in any coaching decisions. As hailskins666 says "So basically this article says that gibbs is running this team not snyder...... whats the problem?" If Snyder was just saying "I am not involved in any coaching decisions, then, Mr. Wise, what is the problem?

When Gibbs and his coaching staff took over the team two years ago, they did not consider Arrington to be part of the solution to the franchise's woes; they saw him as another impediment. They believed Arrington could not curb his individualism for the good of the team. They never got around the perception that he could not fit in. They saw Arrington as a nuisance -- a high-maintenance, high-salaried star who could never live up to his Pro Bowl aura or reputation.

As effective and bright as the team's coaches are, they decided who Arrington was and what he was about before they gave him a chance to see what he could become. And when he finally showed them his worth, his body betrayed him again. He played only two full games last season and missed 12 games with a bone bruise.


Reason #9: Another unwarranted cheap shot at the coaching staff!!! Are these guys really to stupid to evaluate players based on their performance? I can hardly believe Wise had the gall to write that. It is an unbelievably cheap shot, especially considering that we are not privy to any of the discussions among the coaches.

The injury cost Arrington a shot at proving his worth to Williams and his staff. They moved on and inserted lesser-known players, and the defense turned in one of its best years in recent memory. Returning from offseason knee surgery robbed him of his explosiveness this season. He wasn't their cup of tea to begin with, and his ailments made it that much easier to cast him aside.

Arrington's representatives asked that they be allowed to speak with other teams about a possible trade early this season, but were rebuffed both times. Now, it wouldn't be a surprise if the team waited until mid-July to cut him, after every other franchise has run out of salary-cap room.

Was Arrington also to blame for this pending divorce between player and team? No doubt. He is an emotionally deep, feeling person. If he was being honest with himself, Arrington would admit he took things too personally, internalized every slight, felt his loyalty and accomplishments before Gibbs was hired were completely overlooked by the new regime.

He hated the perception that he was only a freelancing, headhunter, unable to coexist in a defense built on elaborate schemes that demands on-field discipline from its players. It made him look book-smart and system-dumb.

But when your face stops appearing in the team's marketing campaigns, when they don't restock your jersey in the team store until the demand becomes overwhelming, when the assistant gets in your face like you're the walk-on, the writing is on the wall.

Crazy, no? Most people in the organization believe they learned to win without Arrington. They have no idea that they won in spite of how they treated him.


Reason #10: For a fact, we do not know how Arrington was treated. We do not know what the coaches said to him (thankfully they seem to have the tact to not aire dirty laundry in public). We do not know how he responded in meetings. We do not have enough facts to judge. Please tell us, Mr. Wise, which facts you know that you haven't reported in the Post that make you so confident in your judgment.

And a bonus Reason #11: I feel that Mike Wise and the WP are upset that the Washington Times beat them to the punch on the LA story, so they have to come up with something to say. Because they have nothing to say, they grope at straws, fall back on their tendency to demonize Snyder, take sides without reporting all the facts, and take the focus off where it should be, which is the Philadelphia game. I defend Elfin and I respect the job he did in breaking the story that ran in the Times. But I have alsolutely no respect for Wise after this column.
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Excellent post, nicely done ... I find it infuriating that Wise plays this one on hand but on the other hand game with the coaching staff. Yes, he says, they are smart and have engineered an amazing turnaround but, on the other hand, they have no idea what they are doing and LaVar is not being utilized correctly. Can't have it both ways Wise
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Post by 1niksder »

Mike Wise shinned some light on a situation that really made no sense before the article was ran.

We had the Effin's piece and no idea where it came from. Now we know.

Like Effin, Wise has his own agenda and opinion within the article but as fans we have to take it for what its worth.

Lavar and the staff don't see eye to eye... Nothing new here
Verbal conforntations... That's new, and kind of explains the Effin article. Sheds more of the negative light towards Lavar than the team.

:!: Wise article confirms what many of us have been saying... Gibbs is running the show and calling the shots. Gibbs wasn't accused of anything in this article and Linsey was doing what he is paid to do.

Lavar was the face of the team and could very well still be if HE and Carl hadn't accused "the Danny" of being a cheat.
Then spent most of last season on the sidelines.
The fans stuck by him when his attorneys didn't.
He switched lawyers and the dispute was ended.
When he took the field the fans were there. Even after the attention grabbing statements about the Coaches rushed him back last year.

:?: We are in the HEAT of the playoff hunt and he can't take direction because he feels he isn't being treated like a man while playing a game that brings him millions.

Though the timing is all wrong, this is a good thing. It's at the forefront of the off-season and will be dealt with at that time.

Until then 5 in a row or we done go can now be the reference to getting to that game in Detroit.
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Im glad i have DSL so i can just watch redskins tv and not have to even look at the Post, Times or any other piece of crap. All i need is the Hogs.net and some interviews straight from the source. Once High speed internet grows more and more, i believe more teams may follow the lead of snyder and redskins tv.
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Lavar has been treated extremely poorly by the Redskins organization, and having done the same to unlucky players for years, including a mystifying treatment of Ramsey earier this season, it is simple to tell that they (the Redskins organization, not the players) are simply immature. They on whims destroy players that could help them, and never say their sorry.

Wise should be getting bonus points for pointing out the absurdity of what is being done.
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deepthoughtlife wrote:Lavar has been treated extremely poorly by the Redskins organization, and having done the same to unlucky players for years, including a mystifying treatment of Ramsey earier this season, it is simple to tell that they (the Redskins organization, not the players) are simply immature. They on whims destroy players that could help them, and never say their sorry.

Wise should be getting bonus points for pointing out the absurdity of what is being done.


Welcome to the site. The Redskins are 9-6, one win from the playoffs. If they had a losing team and hadn't put in Ramsey or someother "unlucky players" then maybe you would have a point. I don't think there is a coach in the NFL who on a whim would destroy a player who could help them, because if they don't win then they are out of a job.
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1niksder - I agree 100%.

Snyder is NOT my favorite owner, but Lavar signed that contract and his lawyer screwed him, not the Redskins.

Deepthought - Lavar has NOT been treated poorly by this organization IMHO !! Lavar has been treated as a player who was injured during the current coaching staff's first year and has been brought back in to play as the new season wore on. Lavar is a great player that makes plays on athleticism. As Trotter said, if he ever learned to work within the defense he would be a monster in this league.
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deepthoughtlife wrote:Lavar has been treated extremely poorly by the Redskins organization, and having done the same to unlucky players for years, including a mystifying treatment of Ramsey earier this season, it is simple to tell that they (the Redskins organization, not the players) are simply immature. They on whims destroy players that could help them, and never say their sorry.

Wise should be getting bonus points for pointing out the absurdity of what is being done.


I can really understand why many fans will feel this way in the coming months as this whole saga heats up. However I had the opportunity to attend mini-camp this year and listen for myself the "actual" words that came out of the coaches and players mouths. A great point that GW made was availibility vs. ability. He said the first is as much if not more important than the latter. Lavar was asks "what did he learn about getting injured"? His reply...I learned...don't get injured! This league is fill with stories like this. To say Lavar has been treated badly when he's the highest paid LB in the game??

Ask yourself this...your the coach of another NFL team...do you want to bring Lavar in to play with a 12 mil cap hit?? I felt the way you did with Champ Bailey...I wanted the Redskins to make him one of the highest paid CB in the game, which at the time was around 6-7 mil. Bailey opted to test the market and got a much better deal. He was ripped by Skins fan for no re-signing here...why?? For less money...I was and am very happy for Champ because he did it right. He played out his rookie contract, he watched as DS brought in a paid big$$$ for has beens and never complained about it...can the same be said for Lavar??
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IT's really a shame that this whole thing got brought up again this week. I agree that the Times reporter was looking to stir controversy, but also, just as clearly, Arrington wanted the message out that the contract dispute tainted his relationship with the organization.

While I agree that it did (how could it not?), this is definitely the wrong week to make this argument. I also agree that the writing is on the wall for this being Arrington's last season as a Redskin, this has been clear for some time.

Yes, Arrington got screwed in some ways, but he is also responsible for the backlash. He signed the contract. Get mad at your agent, not the Redskins, even if you think they did take advantage of the situation. Personally though, I have a hard time "taking sides" in this. Supporting Arrington's position somehow now means that you are dissing Gibbs, and supporting the Redskins now means that Arrington is a punk. Neither of these are true.

Also, one has to wonder about La Var's retirement thing is posturing for fans more than anything. But as far as Mike Wise is concerned, I think he's expressing a sentiment that is certainly common here, and also, I think he shed more light on the original article.
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This is the place where JPM36's personal attack used to be. He didn't edit it, so I had to and that left nothing here but this reminder. :hmm:

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I'll give you about a minute to edit your personal attack JPM36 and then I'll do it myself, and register a 'consider yourself warned' for you.

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DEHog wrote:I can really understand why many fans will feel this way in the coming months as this whole saga heats up. However I had the opportunity to attend mini-camp this year and listen for myself the "actual" words that came out of the coaches and players mouths. A great point that GW made was availibility vs. ability. He said the first is as much if not more important than the latter. Lavar was asks "what did he learn about getting injured"? His reply...I learned...don't get injured! This league is fill with stories like this. To say Lavar has been treated badly when he's the highest paid LB in the game??

Lavar has been available I have not heard of one incident where there was a open mike and LA was unavailable(everything he says is not negative but he is always available for a comment) Being available to do what makes him the highest paid LB in the League is another story. 16-31 games will be a problem for anyone regardless of their ability. Lavar's comment about not getting injured shows that he understands where GW is coming from, which makes he comments to the media even more puzzling. What happen between him and Linsey may have been a heat of the moment thing.
I don't know but I don't see the coach being wrong when Lavar's biggest beefs were 1. "he wanted to be treated like a man" and 2. "he didn't want to be treated like a walk on"
It sound like he couldn't take whatever criticism was being given.
To say Lavar has been treated badly would have to be backed up by more than what we all already know because I don't see it.

DEHog wrote:Ask yourself this...your the coach of another NFL team...do you want to bring Lavar in to play with a 12 mil cap hit?? I felt the way you did with Champ Bailey...I wanted the Redskins to make him one of the highest paid CB in the game, which at the time was around 6-7 mil. Bailey opted to test the market and got a much better deal. He was ripped by Skins fan for no re-signing here...why?? For less money...I was and am very happy for Champ because he did it right. He played out his rookie contract, he watched as DS brought in a paid big$$$ for has beens and never complained about it...can the same be said for Lavar??
You've heard it a million time...this is a business.

Champ got what was coming to him (he did everything the way the system was set work). In the end he got the money he wanted and is happy where he went. I still don't think he wanted to go but we got Portis, so I have no complaits. Lavar on the other hand did not play out his rookie contract, he reworked it after 2 years for more money(That's "the Danny's way of saying it helped the teams cap situation). At this point and time there are YEARS left on that reworked deal, which brings us to your question about bringing in a LB at $12M per. Of course the answer is that you wouldn't unless it could be spread out over the length of the contract (but that will be hard without a new CBA). The Redskins question will be... Do we keep a LB with a $12M cap hit( as of now w/a $6.5M roster bonus coming due) or do you dump him before the roster bonus is due and only increase the cap hit by $800,000?
Looking at the numbers and knowing we are talking about Lavar I took a hard look at the whole picture and I'm starting to get the feeling we had about Champ. Again this time it's a big difference because of the Cap and no current CBA.
IMO this is where we are with Lavar....
Lavar on the field --- By all accounts (teammates and coaches) he IS playing within the scheme, He IS a force that must be accounted for regardless of where he lines up.

versus
Lavar not on the field --- The Skins are solid in the Middle and Marcus has his side locked down (Marshall needs a new contract soon) Holdman could be brought back(no one can argue Warrick brings more to the table than a HEALTHY Lavar) or Clemons could beat him out for the spot.

We come out better with Lavar on the field in the Burgundy and Gold....

How do we do that...
It's no problem at all, if.............
Lavar reworks he contract. That ssame group that says Lavar has been treated badly will now join the group that ask "Why should he?" Good question (NOT)
1. He said he wanted to be a Redskin for life...(just Like Champ,Fred, and AP)
2. He said he'd retire before playing somewhere else (Why retire... you've played 16 games in two years)
3. That dude that got drafted when Lavar got drafted and re-did his contract around the same time he did, just re-worked his contract this past off-season. He made the pro-bowl this year (doesn't Lavar have a incenative to make the Pro-Bowl)

Basically if he wants to be a Redskin he will be. (the bridge is in flames but not totally burnt...yet) The problem is how can you re-work the mess that is Lavar's contract?
He is due a little over a half million in salary plus another Bonus of $6.4M... and that $6.5M in roster bonus. So a all of this money will have to be converted into a new signing bouns and spread out the new contract (or over 2 years depending on the NFLPA) The problem will be the $27M that is tied up in future years that Lavar will want accounted for. After all this is taken care of How much of a raise do you give the highest paid player at that position, but he has been off the field more than on it and really hasn't had anything nice to say about the team.

We need to make a run deep into the playoffs because the off-season is really shaping up to be.... SOMETHING
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Man, we are so lucky to have the complete spectrum of viewpoints. The knowledge that each uses to back-up and re-inforce their opinions is a credit to all the STAFF and MODERATORS and to a lot of the very informed (and opinionated) posters. This is just another great piece from 1niksder - man this guy brings a lot as do the others here at THN! :up:

1niksder wrote:...IMO this is where we are with Lavar....
Lavar on the field --- By all accounts (teammates and coaches) he IS playing within the scheme, He IS a force that must be accounted for regardless of where he lines up.

versus Lavar not on the field --- The Skins are solid in the Middle and Marcus has his side locked down (Marshall needs a new contract soon) Holdman could be brought back(no one can argue Warrick brings more to the table than a HEALTHY Lavar) or Clemons could beat him out for the spot.

We come out better with Lavar on the field in the Burgundy and Gold....

How do we do that...
It's no problem at all, if.............
Lavar reworks he contract. That ssame group that says Lavar has been treated badly will now join the group that ask "Why should he?" Good question (NOT)
1. He said he wanted to be a Redskin for life...(just Like Champ,Fred, and AP)
2. He said he'd retire before playing somewhere else (Why retire... you've played 16 games in two years)
3. That dude that got drafted when Lavar got drafted and re-did his contract around the same time he did, just re-worked his contract this past off-season. He made the pro-bowl this year (doesn't Lavar have a incenative to make the Pro-Bowl)

Basically if he wants to be a Redskin he will be. (the bridge is in flames but not totally burnt...yet)


I was not going to keep going on this because the Redskins are only really intent on winning this game and IMO a lot of what is going on has nothing to do with this week. I think that the crux of this will be dealt with by the people who should be doing it, at the right time. NOT by the media.

I feel that these people (Redskins players and coaches) know that and are doing that - IMO this is being fed by some very agressive media people who would like nothing better than to say "see! it was a distraction!" if we do not win this game - that is not going to happen - we will win and then we will go onto the playoffs. I do not think we can pull the big one off this year but I guarantee there will be some worried teams who do not want to play against Gibbs, Williams and a very pissed off defense this January.

I also hope that when they do "resolve" this isssue that Arrington is still with this team - I think (and hope) that is how it will play out. IF he is a Redskin he will be here because he wants to be and that is a good thing.
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You couldn't be more wrong. The reason Greg Williams failed in Buffalo and will fail as a head coach is because he doesn't know how to deal with players. That is why Buffalo fired him. He is the NOrv Turner on defense, a great coordinator but not a good head coach. Its not like Lavar is a bad kid or a head case like Terrel Owens. Lavar works hard and shows up to play. HE is not being treated like everyone else. If he was they would have come down on Taylor like this. He blows assignments and bits on play action a lot. He is a crimanal to bout. He did demote them to the second team but two days later they promoted him. WAs it really a true demotion, no it was a front so the players think they were coming down hard on Taylor. Lavar was being treated unfairly and Mike Wise and the post get inside information on the Redskins it is their job. They have more of the facts than you.
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But to tell you the truth I really don't care about this story.
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ACTUAL physical fights happen in teams, not only verbal confrontations.

Players and players get at it. Players and staff argue as much as the throat allows.

THIS IS NOTHING NEW IN THE NFL.

You guys worked up by a verbal confrontation like this one?

Grow up. You are making me laugh by playing the "sky is falling" theme played by the media that hates us to distract our team.

Come on! Snap out of it. You fight. You make up. You beat a guy. A guy beats you. A guy is your best pal. It is life in football. It is life in the NFL.

There are TONS of far more memorable confrontations in the history our team and you are worried about this one. :roll:
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Redskin in Canada wrote:ACTUAL physical fights happen in teams, not only verbal confrontations.

Players and players get at it. Players and staff argue as much as the throat allows.

THIS IS NOTHING NEW IN THE NFL.

You guys worked up by a verbal confrontation like this one?

Grow up. You are making me laugh by playing the "sky is falling" theme played by the media that hates us to distract our team.

Come on! Snap out of it. You fight. You make up. You beat a guy. A guy beats you. A guy is your best pal. It is life in football. It is life in the NFL.

There are TONS of far more memorable confrontations in the history our team and you are worried about this one. :roll:

You go out and you punch a iggle in the nose... that's how you deal with this situation. Then you look over at the coach like nothing happen.
These stories are what you get when a writer has to put something out there, although the reading public is expecting long discertation as to why the writer was so wrong about their perdiction of how bad the Skins would do they throw out a article like this. Of course it will start huge debates, the same debates that were started the last time the info was given top billing nothing is added (change a date or two re-arrange a quote here and there... wait for the team to do something good and BAM) Here we are.

It makes for a orderly board I'm all for that :lol:
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Great post, Snout. There are times when I love nothing more than a good analysis of an article to show what it is: trash.
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Mike Wise and the post get inside information on the Redskins it is their job. They have more of the facts than you.



Right...and they report the facts just as they get them ! :roll:
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1niksder wrote:
DEHog wrote:I can really understand why many fans will feel this way in the coming months as this whole saga heats up. However I had the opportunity to attend mini-camp this year and listen for myself the "actual" words that came out of the coaches and players mouths. A great point that GW made was availibility vs. ability. He said the first is as much if not more important than the latter. Lavar was asks "what did he learn about getting injured"? His reply...I learned...don't get injured! This league is fill with stories like this. To say Lavar has been treated badly when he's the highest paid LB in the game??

Lavar has been available I have not heard of one incident where there was a open mike and LA was unavailable(everything he says is not negative but he is always available for a comment) Being available to do what makes him the highest paid LB in the League is another story. 16-31 games will be a problem for anyone regardless of their ability. Lavar's comment about not getting injured shows that he understands where GW is coming from, which makes he comments to the media even more puzzling. What happen between him and Linsey may have been a heat of the moment thing.
I don't know but I don't see the coach being wrong when Lavar's biggest beefs were 1. "he wanted to be treated like a man" and 2. "he didn't want to be treated like a walk on"
It sound like he couldn't take whatever criticism was being given.
To say Lavar has been treated badly would have to be backed up by more than what we all already know because I don't see it.

DEHog wrote:Ask yourself this...your the coach of another NFL team...do you want to bring Lavar in to play with a 12 mil cap hit?? I felt the way you did with Champ Bailey...I wanted the Redskins to make him one of the highest paid CB in the game, which at the time was around 6-7 mil. Bailey opted to test the market and got a much better deal. He was ripped by Skins fan for no re-signing here...why?? For less money...I was and am very happy for Champ because he did it right. He played out his rookie contract, he watched as DS brought in a paid big$$$ for has beens and never complained about it...can the same be said for Lavar??
You've heard it a million time...this is a business.

Champ got what was coming to him (he did everything the way the system was set work). In the end he got the money he wanted and is happy where he went. I still don't think he wanted to go but we got Portis, so I have no complaits. Lavar on the other hand did not play out his rookie contract, he reworked it after 2 years for more money(That's "the Danny's way of saying it helped the teams cap situation). At this point and time there are YEARS left on that reworked deal, which brings us to your question about bringing in a LB at $12M per. Of course the answer is that you wouldn't unless it could be spread out over the length of the contract (but that will be hard without a new CBA). The Redskins question will be... Do we keep a LB with a $12M cap hit( as of now w/a $6.5M roster bonus coming due) or do you dump him before the roster bonus is due and only increase the cap hit by $800,000?
Looking at the numbers and knowing we are talking about Lavar I took a hard look at the whole picture and I'm starting to get the feeling we had about Champ. Again this time it's a big difference because of the Cap and no current CBA.
IMO this is where we are with Lavar....
Lavar on the field --- By all accounts (teammates and coaches) he IS playing within the scheme, He IS a force that must be accounted for regardless of where he lines up.

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Lavar not on the field --- The Skins are solid in the Middle and Marcus has his side locked down (Marshall needs a new contract soon) Holdman could be brought back(no one can argue Warrick brings more to the table than a HEALTHY Lavar) or Clemons could beat him out for the spot.

We come out better with Lavar on the field in the Burgundy and Gold....

How do we do that...
It's no problem at all, if.............
Lavar reworks he contract. That ssame group that says Lavar has been treated badly will now join the group that ask "Why should he?" Good question (NOT)
1. He said he wanted to be a Redskin for life...(just Like Champ,Fred, and AP)
2. He said he'd retire before playing somewhere else (Why retire... you've played 16 games in two years)
3. That dude that got drafted when Lavar got drafted and re-did his contract around the same time he did, just re-worked his contract this past off-season. He made the pro-bowl this year (doesn't Lavar have a incenative to make the Pro-Bowl)

Basically if he wants to be a Redskin he will be. (the bridge is in flames but not totally burnt...yet) The problem is how can you re-work the mess that is Lavar's contract?
He is due a little over a half million in salary plus another Bonus of $6.4M... and that $6.5M in roster bonus. So a all of this money will have to be converted into a new signing bouns and spread out the new contract (or over 2 years depending on the NFLPA) The problem will be the $27M that is tied up in future years that Lavar will want accounted for. After all this is taken care of How much of a raise do you give the highest paid player at that position, but he has been off the field more than on it and really hasn't had anything nice to say about the team.

We need to make a run deep into the playoffs because the off-season is really shaping up to be.... SOMETHING



Nice post...
You make a few points on why LA should rework his contract of course the things LA said are things he's suppose to say. Which begs the question...Why couldn't he follow suit this week and just tell Elfing..."it's all about Philly and the playoffs" Like everyone else.

We come out better with Lavar in B&G...I'm assuming your making this statement based on LA reworking his contract??
Hard to pay LA that kind of money when he's not even the best LB on the team!

Skins fan are so afraid of losing him because he "might be good" The truth is that he hasn't lived up to his potential...for whatever reason (coaching, undiscipline) He's a super guy and a solid player, not great, solid. I for one think his best days ahead are going be done rushing the passer!!
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DEHog wrote:
Mike Wise and the post get inside information on the Redskins it is their job. They have more of the facts than you.



Right...and they report the facts just as they get them ! :roll:

They might how would you know if they do or don't.
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John Manfreda wrote:
DEHog wrote:
Mike Wise and the post get inside information on the Redskins it is their job. They have more of the facts than you.



Right...and they report the facts just as they get them ! :roll:

They might how would you know if they do or don't.


Probably because he's actually been in the press room with them.

... ask yourself if YOU can say the same thing.

You can't. So you have absolutely NOTHING to base your opinion on.

Nothing.

Personally, I'm shocked. :roll:
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John Manfreda wrote:
DEHog wrote:
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Mike Wise and the post get inside information on the Redskins it is their job. They have more of the facts than you.



Right...and they report the facts just as they get them !

They might how would you know if they do or don't.


Probably because he's actually been in the press room with them.

... ask yourself if YOU can say the same thing.

You can't. So you have absolutely NOTHING to base your opinion on.

Nothing.

Personally, I'm shocked.


I know people from NBC news so don't say I don't know anything and I Know how the media reports them. Second of all, the post is not Espn, its biased for the Redskins, a pro Redskin newspaper with the exception of Sally Jenkins and thats because she or he is a a Giants fan. I know more than you and him. So just be quite, you don't know jack.
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John Manfreda wrote:Second of all, the post is not Espn, its biased for the Redskins, a pro Redskin newspaper with the exception of Sally Jenkins and thats because she or he is a a Giants fan.


Wrong. The Post may cover the Redskins on a daily basis but it's far from pro-Redskins.

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John Manfreda wrote:John Manfreda wrote:
DEHog wrote:
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Mike Wise and the post get inside information on the Redskins it is their job. They have more of the facts than you.



Right...and they report the facts just as they get them !

They might how would you know if they do or don't.


Probably because he's actually been in the press room with them.

... ask yourself if YOU can say the same thing.

You can't. So you have absolutely NOTHING to base your opinion on.

Nothing.

Personally, I'm shocked.


I know people from NBC news so don't say I don't know anything and I Know how the media reports them. Second of all, the post is not Espn, its biased for the Redskins, a pro Redskin newspaper with the exception of Sally Jenkins and thats because she or he is a a Giants fan. I know more than you and him. So just be quite, you don't know jack.


The Post is pro-Redskin only to the extent that it helps them sell newspapers. They picked the team to go 5-11 this season, that's not exactly homerish.
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