eli manning

football · Post by **football** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:16 pm

just curious of what my intellgent football friends here on the hogs think about eli manning. i for one am not all that impressed by him. that could be because im thinking of him in light of his brother. but, i wouldnt say hes better than mark brunell. maybe thats just because im a "homer"

hatsOFF2gibbs · Post by **hatsOFF2gibbs** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:26 pm

He's not that good, even at home. Think about what he's going to rely on when there's 90+ thousand fans screaming into his helmet. He's going to be in a state of chaos. His only dominant weapon will be handing the ball off to Tiki.

If we stop Tiki we stop the Giants.

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:39 pm

Eli is a good young QB. In time, he will likely develop into a great QB . . . but he is certainly not a great QB right now.

He can be rattled....and, as one of the 12th Man gang at Fed Ex this Saturday, I'm gonna do my darndest to rattle young Eli!

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:54 pm

Eli is going to be a beast but right now we can use his inexperience against him. This is why Gibbs likes his veteran players. Brunell wouldn't be fazed like Eli will be, not to say Brunell wouldn't be affected but it would definately be to a lesser degree.

We can stop Tiki, we just need to hope our pass rush carries over into this game. Did anyone notice that WE HAD A PASS RUSH?!?!

football · Post by **football** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 4:32 am

i think i may disagree... i dont think eli will end up a ''beast'' I REALLY THINK, he will end up being just allright. he wont be amazing, but he wont be a bust. he will be good, but not a super star. i think he will always be overshadowed. not only by his brother but, by the star of thier team. tiki barber.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 4:42 am

football wrote:i think i may disagree... i dont think eli will end up a ''beast'' I REALLY THINK, he will end up being just allright. he wont be amazing, but he wont be a bust. he will be good, but not a super star. i think he will always be overshadowed. not only by his brother but, by the star of thier team. tiki barber.

I think Eli is definately going to be a monster. This is only his second year and he progressed A LOT. His faults from this season thus far seem to stem from inexperience and immaturity at the QB position. I dont know if its pedigree but its something that the Peytons are doing right. Maybe I'll end up wrong but this cat is showing signs of becoming a heck of a QB. The fact that he's led his team thus far in his 2nd year speaks a lot about him also. He may not be winning the games but he's not losing them completely either.

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:24 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Eli is going to be a beast but right now we can use his inexperience against him. This is why Gibbs likes his veteran players. Brunell wouldn't be fazed like Eli will be, not to say Brunell wouldn't be affected but it would definately be to a lesser degree.

We can stop Tiki, we just need to hope our pass rush carries over into this game. Did anyone notice that WE HAD A PASS RUSH?!?!

Man I couldnt believe my eyes. We had a pass rush from our four down linemen. Its a miracle I said. Well if they can do it against a fairly stout Dallas line Im sure they can do it to a although improved from last year giants line. The main thing was the confidence level the defense was playing with. They looked like the 85 bears well maybe im taking it a little to far but dang that was a dominating performance.

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 8:47 am

Eli is like Big Ben. He's surrounded by a lot of talent and it makes him look better than he is. If you put the game on Eli's shoulders (whcih should be our game plan) the Giants will lose.

spudstr04 · Post by **spudstr04** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:06 am

in his last three games he has thrown for only 2 TDs and 6 INTs....if we can stop TIKI and put the game on his shoulders, he will buckle under the pressure....the way our defense has been playing the past 4 weeks, we should get a couple of INTs...no problem!

SkinsFanInHawai'i · Post by **SkinsFanInHawai'i** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 3:58 pm

He has been playing like crap lately, even at home.

Hopefully he has no confidence, we can have the Giants playing from behind early, and force him to make plays.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 4:46 pm

JansenFan wrote:Eli is like Big Ben. He's surrounded by a lot of talent and it makes him look better than he is. If you put the game on Eli's shoulders (whcih should be our game plan) the Giants will lose.

Good post JF! I also think he might be v. good at some stage but we only have to beat who he is now, this week, and that is not that big a deal IF we make our tackles and "follow the GW script". I also do not think he's progressed far enough to be the QB leader - he's not bad, but he's not the leader they hope he will be, yet!

HailSkins94 · Post by **HailSkins94** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 5:54 pm

He's got a good supporting cast, ask him to win a football game by himself = won't happen. That is what the gameplan will be...

gibbsfan · Post by **gibbsfan** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:04 pm

eli has the potential to be great with time but for now he ,s still learning and learning quite well too.
compared to big brother he has a ways to go.

very young and promising.

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:11 pm

Eli is like Big Ben. He's surrounded by a lot of talent and it makes him look better than he is. If you put the game on Eli's shoulders (whcih should be our game plan) the Giants will lose.

I'll have to disagree with you on this point. Yes Eli does have a strong supporting cast but he has been at his best in pressure situations in the 4th quarter. He has 7 td's and his qb rating is highest in the 4th. On top of that he has a qb rating of 95.9 during the last 2 minutes of a half and a rating of 108.9 when his team is either up or down by 3 in the 4th quarter. Against both the Broncos and Vikings he led his team on late scoring drives to either win the game or send it to overtime. Does he get rattled sometimes and make mistakes typical of young qb? Ofcourse. But we can't take him too lighlty because he has stepped his game up to another level when the Giants have needed him to.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:18 pm

SkinzCanes wrote:
Eli is like Big Ben. He's surrounded by a lot of talent and it makes him look better than he is. If you put the game on Eli's shoulders (whcih should be our game plan) the Giants will lose.

I'll have to disagree with you on this point. Yes Eli does have a strong supporting cast but he has been at his best in pressure situations in the 4th quarter. He has 7 td's and his qb rating is highest in the 4th. On top of that he has a qb rating of 95.9 during the last 2 minutes of a half and a rating of 108.9 when his team is either up or down by 3 in the 4th quarter. Against both the Broncos and Vikings he led his team on late scoring drives to either win the game or send it to overtime. Does he get rattled sometimes and make mistakes typical of young qb? Ofcourse. But we can't take him too lighlty because he has stepped his game up to another level when the Giants have needed him to.

I beg to difer JF is right on...Tiki has bailed Eli out more then a few times this year. Eli was awful in the Minn. game and you want to talk pressure...He's been terrible on the road where he's won 2 games. I'd like to see his numbers on the road? He will struggle big time this week at FedEx.

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:35 pm

I'd like to see his numbers on the road? He will struggle big time this week at FedEx.

Actually if you check the stats you'll see that overall his stats are better on the road. The Giants record is worse on the road than at home, as is the case with most NFL teams, but you can't put that totally on Eli.

At home:
8 games
49.6 completion %
1675 yards
14 td's
11 int's
69.8 qb rating
sacked 15 times

On the road:
6 games
56.3 completion %
1639 yards
8 td's
5 int's
82.1 qb rating
sacked 10 times

What's interesting about this is that Tiki, on the other hand, has struggled on the road. So you can't say that Tiki was bailing Eli out during road games.

Tiki at home:
1024 yards
7 td's
5.6 ypc

Tiki on the road:
553 yards
3 td's
4.3 ypc

football · Post by **football** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:38 pm

yup... check out his road stats here

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/493004/splits/2005

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:55 pm

SkinzCanes wrote:
I'd like to see his numbers on the road? He will struggle big time this week at FedEx.

Actually if you check the stats you'll see that overall his stats are better on the road. The Giants record is worse on the road than at home, as is the case with most NFL teams, but you can't put that totally on Eli.

At home:
8 games
49.6 completion %
1675 yards
14 td's
11 int's
69.8 qb rating
sacked 15 times

On the road:
6 games
56.3 completion %
1639 yards
8 td's
5 int's
82.1 qb rating
sacked 10 times

What's interesting about this is that Tiki, on the other hand, has struggled on the road. So you can't say that Tiki was bailing Eli out during road games.

Tiki at home:
1024 yards
7 td's
5.6 ypc

Tiki on the road:
553 yards
3 td's
4.3 ypc

Intersting not very good stats and yet he's has them atop the NFC east...while he's not Peyton he will only get better. Thanks foor the info!