Gibbs Haters -- where are you?

fredp45 · Post by **fredp45** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:04 pm

A few weeks back -- at 5-6 I remember a number of you posters dogging Gibbs! Anyone going there this week? Didn't think so...

The guy is the best manager of people and leader I've seen. How many coaches keep a 5-11 team (last year) and a 5-6 team (this year) basically quiet? Players weren't blaming anyone else, few, if any, were complaining about playing time...what a great skill that is. I manage a lot of people and I can say -- it isn't easy to do.

Dannyboysucks · Post by **Dannyboysucks** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:14 pm

HERE HERE!! I have to admit I was doubting our brilliant coach at 5-6 and some interesting decisions on offense. But that's why I'm posting and not coaching!

Hoss · Post by **Hoss** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:26 pm

with gibbs, there are four things to remember..

get in,

sit down,

shut up

and

HOLD ON!!

fredp45 · Post by **fredp45** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:32 pm

Hoss -- Amen brother

spenser · Post by **spenser** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:22 am

Good Post. I agree that Gibbs is a GREAT manager of people. You can tell that if nothing else he is straight forward and honest. He tells it straight up but in a positive way. I always feel better after hearing him explain his thought process on issues. I am so stoked that we finallly have some direction, stability and Accountability. I watched coach speak on nfl network and watched Norv Turner talking about his raiders. OMG, i was embaresed! So clueless! They asked him why the raiders had 5 false starts at a HOME game, and he was muttering and mumbling and had no clear cut answer. Thats why i love joe. He would say straight up, its unacceptable, it starts with me, and it will be fixed. Joe is the MAN!

Scooter · Post by **Scooter** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:21 pm

I love Joe Gibbs! I've seen one - "Gibbs Hater" on the board as a troll. As far as I'm concerened the season is a success TODAY. I sincerely hope we can whip up on two more teams and get some help from the G-strings in losing two in a row... either way. Beating the Cowboys TWICE is such a HUGE success - I'm plenty satisfied with the improvement to date.
A few more steps need to be made, but the Skins are BACK! In no small part, it's due to Gibbs. Snyder deserves credit for getting him and for paying top dollar for the best coaching staff in the NFL, especially on the other side of the ball - our defensive coaching staff is the best in the NFL - bar none.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:37 pm

Over a year ago, several of us predicted that Joe Gibbs would manage to bring along to HIS side young fans that did not know his magic from his previous tenure.

Some of us were accused of blind faith, being homers, lack of criticism, etc, etc. It did not matter then and it does not matter now. People live and learn. Some of those who criticised and ridiculed us, might be the first to defend him as time passes.

It is the PROCESS of getting to top form that has the most merit rather than boasting in the arms of a big victory. The fans that have the patience and loyalty to stick to their team and coach over the tough periods are the REAL fans to me.

It takes time to go from the pain of defeat to the glory of victory to appreciate the man in his fullness. Many of us that knew him from his previous work with the Skins, knew his capacity as an NFL coach, and his unrivaled loyalty to his players and viceversa.

The litmus test for a Skins fan to me is his/her knowledge about and loyalty to Joe Gibbs.

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:38 pm

Here I am!!! I hate that Marla Gibbs! ;furious;

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:41 pm

JansenFan wrote:Here I am!!! I hate that Marla Gibbs!

Because she is helping you with your Hognostications. That is why! I can not say I blame you buddy. :twisted:

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:45 pm

She sold me that magic 8-ball and swore it was the same model that Tazlah has.....well I tell you what, I may have to go back to the uniform color method. :oops:

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:47 pm

JansenFan wrote:I may have to go back to the uniform color method.

Wise choice. Your picks look great this week though. RiC guarantees a top two finish for you this week. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is an official Hognostication by RiC.

gibbsfan · Post by **gibbsfan** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 2:03 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:Over a year ago, several of us predicted that Joe Gibbs would manage to bring along to HIS side young fans that did not know his magic from his previous tenure.

Some of us were accused of blind faith, being homers, lack of criticism, etc, etc. It did not matter then and it does not matter now. People live and learn. Some of those who criticised and ridiculed us, might be the first to defend him as time passes.

It is the PROCESS of getting to top form that has the most merit rather than boasting in the arms of a big victory. The fans that have the patience and loyalty to stick to their team and coach over the tough periods are the REAL fans to me.

It takes time to go from the pain of defeat to the glory of victory to appreciate the man in his fullness. Many of us that knew him from his previous work with the Skins, knew his capacity as an NFL coach, and his unrivaled loyalty to his players and viceversa.

The litmus test for a Skins fan to me is his/her knowledge about and loyalty to Joe Gibbs.

honestly your post hit it right on the head ric and yes some of us who remember the first stint of gibbs knows all about the man himself and for what he stands for.

you win with the people.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 2:37 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:..Wise choice. Your picks look great this week though. RiC guarantees a top two finish for you this week. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is an official Hognostication by RiC.

Congrats JansenFan! RiC can do it, he's the man - plus he keeps score! :wink:

JPFair · Post by **JPFair** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 3:59 pm

gibbsfan wrote:
Redskin in Canada wrote:Over a year ago, several of us predicted that Joe Gibbs would manage to bring along to HIS side young fans that did not know his magic from his previous tenure.

Some of us were accused of blind faith, being homers, lack of criticism, etc, etc. It did not matter then and it does not matter now. People live and learn. Some of those who criticised and ridiculed us, might be the first to defend him as time passes.

It is the PROCESS of getting to top form that has the most merit rather than boasting in the arms of a big victory. The fans that have the patience and loyalty to stick to their team and coach over the tough periods are the REAL fans to me.

It takes time to go from the pain of defeat to the glory of victory to appreciate the man in his fullness. Many of us that knew him from his previous work with the Skins, knew his capacity as an NFL coach, and his unrivaled loyalty to his players and viceversa.

The litmus test for a Skins fan to me is his/her knowledge about and loyalty to Joe Gibbs.

honestly your post hit it right on the head ric and yes some of us who remember the first stint of gibbs knows all about the man himself and for what he stands for.

you win with the people.

I think it's safe to say that I took about as much heat as anyone for having what RIC refers to as "Blind Faith". I was ridiculed, slammed, and called every name under the sun because of my faith in Gibbs. RIC, I think you hit the nail on the head. The ones that questioned Joe Gibbs abilities obviously have/had their reasons, and it was hard to see people criticising him so much, but it's equally as joyous to see them realizing what kind of a man/coach this guy is.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 4:18 pm

Okay! I'm the homer, and still proud of it! I also agree with JP that it is so rewarding to see the success that the team is begining to show. I think that Gibbs will go out of his way to pass this on to both the players and other coaches but at the end of the day - This is Joe Gibbs' football team and he seems to have the magic that ensures success will follow wherever he goes.

How great is it that we are playing a very important game in late December and we swept the Cowboys this year. There were a lot of fans who could not see that happening a few weeks ago.

Gibbs is the best.

By the way, whatever happened to ***Poster of the Year***? maybe if we're quiet he might stay there :twisted:

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 4:48 pm

It takes time to go from the pain of defeat to the glory of victory to appreciate the man in his fullness. Many of us that knew him from his previous work with the Skins, knew his capacity as an NFL coach, and his unrivaled loyalty to his players and viceversa.

Well said, RIC. I remember all the unbelievers screaming "Get Randy Moss", or any other talented cast off with a 'tude, failing to understand the importance of character, discipline, and team play to Joe Gibbs. Portis is the closest thing to a prima donna on this team, but even he will throw his body around, and finish plays that he is not involved in. He embodies Gibbs philosophy... every one has a role in every play... there are no minor parts. And no one may take a play off.

For most of this season, I've sat back, and watched. I had seen the team getting steadily better... but that confidence was still missing. It was a team that could play with anybody, but wasn't sure of it's excellence. It appears to be starting to gel now. Stupid penalties are rare. Players execute.

You sensed, from the first play last Sunday, that this was not going to be your typical 2005 Redskins game. Dallas found out... this team has a fire in it's belly. Gibbs, baby. Gibbs. Playoffs would be gravy for me at this point, as there is no room, really, for error, and the loss of Thomas is huge. The OG is the real heart of this offense. I'll take every victory from here out, but I now know... Beginning next year? Nothing scarier than a talented, disciplined NFC East style team with a mission.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:24 pm

To my Art Monk comrade-in-arms TCWest10.

He asked a question about Joe during the struggle period that truly scared me: Could it be possible?

-Our- favourite coach of all time is back TC. He is the SAME just a bit BETTER, more mature, aware of his past and ... his future. Like good wine, age has made him nobler.

Cheers!

RiC

Grandfatherly Gibbs turns kinder and gentler
By Dan Daly
December 20, 2005

Penn State has Joe Paterno, and the Redskins have Joe Paternal. If you're wondering how the Redskins have worked their way back into playoff contention -- after losing six of eight and all but dropping off the radar screen -- look no further than their ever-encouraging coach.

Through thin and thinner, Joe Gibbs has been unfailingly supportive of his players, no matter what their transgressions. Some coaches inspire with a sharp stick (and tongue); Gibbs has done it with a pat on the back and, when necessary, a heartfelt testimonial.

Take Rock Cartwright's unfortunate fumble at Kansas City, the one that was returned 80 yards for a touchdown. Gibbs could have reduced Rock to rubble, but instead he said, "I feel so bad for Rock because he's such a great Redskin and a great guy -- and one of our real important guys. You hate for something like that to happen."

Coach Paternal was just as forgiving when Mike Sellers picked up a foolish retaliatory penalty in the loss to the Raiders. "He's one of our best players, particularly on special teams, and one of our leaders," he said. The killer holding call on Casey Rabach against the Chargers, which took the Redskins out of game-winning field goal range, brought a similar response: "Casey's made a ton of plays for us, and you hate that the focus is on something like the penalty."

Mark Brunell's three first-half interceptions in the Arizona game? "A couple of things bounced out of our hands," Gibbs said, "and I'm sure Mark would like to have a couple of things back. But he kept working when it would have been easy to get discouraged."

Robert Royal's case of the dropsies against San Diego, Sean Taylor's offseason indiscretions? In both instances, Coach Paternal stuck up for His Guy. It's been amazing to watch, really, a veritable seminar on how to keep a team together in a crisis. Gibbs has gone to great lengths to avoid any finger pointing, any isolating of players who might have messed up. And suddenly, after spending two months in the Valley of Death, the Redskins are on a three-game tear and eyeing a playoff berth.

Gibbs wasn't much of a hugger in his first term. Joe Theismann is still waiting for his coach to visit him in the hospital after he broke his leg in 1985. The atmosphere around Redskin Park in those days was one of -- how shall I put it? -- creative tension. Charles Mann told me, "I never felt secure going to camp. Seems like they always had somebody ready to take your place" -- and this was when Charles was in his 10-sacks-a-year prime!

Maybe it's because Gibbs is older now; his kids have kids. When he first came to the Redskins he was only 40 and had less NFL experience than some of his players. It changes the dynamic, no question. The competitive fires still burn -- along with the midnight oil -- but his public persona has morphed from Joe the Grind to Grandpa Walton. Why just yesterday, he was talking about Marcus Washington and how "I love him" -- loves his exuberance, his all-out approach. Funny, I don't remember too many open displays of affection toward Monte Coleman or Wilber Marshall way back when.

What Joe Paternal has done a particularly good job of is living in the present and not drawing all these comparisons between his current club and his Super Bowl winners in the '80s and '90s. Indeed, for Gibbs, it's almost as if those years never happened. Consider: When Randy Thomas broke his leg against the Cowboys on Sunday, Coach Joe went out of his way to say that Thomas "has had as good a year as I have seen a guard have."

As good a year as Russ Grimm, a member of the NFL's all-'80s team, ever had? Hmmm.

Earlier in the season, Gibbs said Brunell's two improbable touchdown heaves to Santana Moss late in the first Dallas game constituted "the greatest quarter I've ever seen a quarterback have."

Uh, Joe, what about Doug Williams' four TD passes in the second quarter of the Super Bowl against the Broncos? Isn't that the greatest quarter you've ever seen a QB have?

I don't think for a minute that Gibbs believes either of those effusions. I think they were made off the cuff ... and for purely psychological reasons, to give his players a pick-me-up. After all, it can be a burden to play for a Hall of Fame coach; you're constantly being compared not just to the other 31 teams in the league but also to the teams in the coach's past -- in this case, the '82 Redskins, the '83 Redskins, the '87 Redskins and the '91 Redskins.

Joe Paternal, I suspect, understands this as well as anyone. If he didn't, the Redskins probably wouldn't be where they are right now -- two wins away from just their second playoff berth in 13 years, not that anyone's counting.

http://www.washtimes.com/sports/2005121 ... -8697r.htm

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:35 pm

JPFair wrote: but it's equally as joyous to see them realizing what kind of a man/coach this guy is.

Precisely. And for that, they are better fans (and better persons if they learned the lessons in their lives) today than they were at the beginning of this season. :wink:

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:25 pm

I'd love to see what the players think of Joe.

spenser · Post by **spenser** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:43 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'd love to see what the players think of Joe.

I watched all the 60 seconds with the redskins interviews and was very cool to hear the "one word to describe joe" comments. Portis and Moss said joe was "cool". Other words were: dedicated, intense, passionate, demanding, fair, detailed, pridefull, etc. All great descriptions. Joe is such a class act and always seems to say the right things! Always praises the players and coaches and downplays his accomplishments. Just a good human being IMO.

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:57 pm

I'm surprised some of you have room in your life for anything besides your over-blown egos.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 1:36 pm

cvillehog wrote:I'm surprised some of you have room in your life for anything besides your over-blown egos.

C'mon cville! Lighten up a little!

We're playing a big time game and Santa Claus is coming to town! Geez!

Sorry guys! It's juat that the Dungy thing kind of puts a crimp in your day!

hkHog · Post by **hkHog** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 1:52 pm

I hate Gibbs. If Spurrier was still around we would have won the Super Bowl last year. After all, Gibbs and Spurrier had the same record over their first 28 games. And Spurrier was a much better judge of talent and character. After all, he brought in guys like Coles, Canidate, and Morton and got rid of Steven Davis. We all know Spurrier is at least as good a coach as Gibbs. :roll:

I can't believe that people were actually believing that BS three weeks ago. I wouldn't want anyone but Gibbs to be leading the show. As long as he is around I will always have faith. Call me a blind homer... at least I'm right!

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 3:46 pm

I think Joe would say: "I'm glad all our fans are behind this team right now. We really need them all. We've got a tough game comin'up against the Giants, and we need the 12th man to help us out."

I don't think he'd care about who doubted him three weeks ago. My 2 cents

roybus14 · Post by **roybus14** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 4:32 pm

Dannyboysucks wrote:HERE HERE!! I have to admit I was doubting our brilliant coach at 5-6 and some interesting decisions on offense. But that's why I'm posting and not coaching!

I agree... I had doubts also but this is why he is Joe Gibbs. I will keep my mouth shut and ride the wave....