Prussian Blue and Freedom of Speech

[tcwest10]

For those of you who live under a rock, the world at large was recently introduced to a new girl band called "Prussian Blue". Comprised of a pair of cheeky 13 year old twins from the mean streets of Bakersfield, California named Lamb and Lynx Gaede ( do they really get along ?) and homeschooled by their self-proclaimed "White Nationalist" mother April, the girls are the featured opening act in many of your KKK/Aryan Nation "get-togethers". Real crowd pleasers, too, I'm told.
Here's a sampling of lyrics.

From "Sacrifice" (Lamb Gaede)

Rudolph Hess, man of Peace. He wouldn't give up and he wouldn't cease, to give his loyalty to our Cause. Remember him and give a pause.

From "The Lamb Near a Lane" (Lamb Gaede, David Lane)

It’s not right for a Lamb near a Lane. To fight with a lion is insane. If the White men won’t battle for Life and Race. The women and children, the Terror will face….

Folks, these are 13 year old girls here. They have an infant sister, as well.
I am feeling deeply disturbed by this, but there are those who say that the parents have the right to raise their children as they see fit, so long as the child's needs are met.
I subscribe to the "Potter's Wheel" philosophy, myself. Your children are blocks of clay to be molded, and it's completely in your hands...whether you're a responsible person or not. The programming of children to your own racial/religious beliefs should be punishable by death.
I'm not looking to rally the troops against racism. I'll leave that to Al and Jesse. What I want is for somebody to tell me why it's okay for this type of thing to happen, and why it has been allowed to happen.
We have lawyers and such here. Somebody dummy it down for me.

Why aren't there limits to Freedom of Speech where impressionable children are involved ?

[Hoss]

I've heard of them and think it's sad that there are people in this world who would poison their minds in such a fashion.

I feel your frustration, but it is a slippery slope when one tries to instill ones values over another's. Where is the line drawn?
I mean, this is an obvious case of fanaticism, but who is to say your values are better/worse than mine or someone else's?

I guess this is one of the pitfalls of a free society.

In any case, this is very sad.

[welch]

TCW wrote

For those of you who live under a rock

I think I live under that rock. Never heard of them.

However they sound like the outcome of some variety of child abuse, but lawful child abuse.

I think the "potter's wheel" is fairly accurate, in that we have a powerful influence in molding our kids...and kids have a way of doing what they want in spite of our molding.

I hope that these young girls grow out of their parents' sickness as they grow up. Maybe their growing up will come quickly since they have such wacko beliefs...they would need to live in some alternate universe to get far without facing the lunacy of believing in Rudolf Hess.

[Hoss]

Well said welch.

[Justice Hog]

In a free society such as ours, you certainly don't want the government stepping in and directing parents on the proper way to raise their children, unless, of course, the children are being abused.

I'm sorry to say that while living in a free society, we have to accept the good along with the bad. This is certainly an example of what can be "bad" about living in a free society.

If you ask the government to step in and stop this, where would you then draw the line? Would you then support the idea of the government stepping in to banish Muslims . . . or other beliefs that may not be "popular" among the vast majority of the citizens?

Be careful what you ask for. If you get it...in the long run...it may hurt us all.

I do have one exception to this, however:

I, for one, think that all parents that raise their kids to be Cowboy fans should be summarily punished.

[1niksder]

We have lawyers and such here. Somebody dummy it down for me.

Not a lawyer or such .. but here's my take on this.

Until we can put a end to Inbreeding we'll have to deal with this kind of thing

[Skinsfan55]

This may be neither here nor there but I think there are a few people on this board who've actually seen the "Hate Twins" in "concert".

Anyway, this is pretty disgusting, but unfortunately nothing can be done about them. We just have to hope and pray for the best.

[UK Skins Fan]

Well, I could ask what's the difference between this and the parent who brings their kids up to be "conventional" God fearing Christians? It's exactly the same process of a parent imprinting their own beliefs on that of their offspring.

The difference lies in our subjective perception of those beliefs. Most of us find this kind of white supremacist crud laughable at first, and then truly offensive.

There is one foolproof way of avoiding this kind of thing - abolish children.

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

Well, I could ask what's the difference between this and the parent who brings their kids up to be "conventional" God fearing Christians? It's exactly the same process of a parent imprinting their own beliefs on that of their offspring.

Your statement is ridiculous. You're implying that Christians teach hate. You are clearly mistaken. If anything, this can best be compared the process jihadists use to further their "cause".

[Justice Hog]

Redeemed, I don't necessarily think he was suggesting that Christians teach hate. He was referring to the "process" of parents teaching their children a certain value system that they believe in. Whether that is "love" or "hate", I believe that is the point the brutha was trying to make.

Don't be like T.O. and take these things personally.

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

Redeemed, I don't necessarily think he was suggesting that Christians teach hate.

I was only answering the question as posted, and not trying to read into what he may or may not have meant.

Now, where's my signing bonus????

[UK Skins Fan]

Well, I could ask what's the difference between this and the parent who brings their kids up to be "conventional" God fearing Christians? It's exactly the same process of a parent imprinting their own beliefs on that of their offspring.

Your statement is ridiculous. You're implying that Christians teach hate. You are clearly mistaken. If anything, this can best be compared the process jihadists use to further their "cause".

Whoa there! I plead not guilty. Just like Justice said, my friend. I wasn't passing judgement in any way on the message itself, just that the process is the same: parents believe in something, and they want their kids to believe in the same. Most people would call that responsible parenting when they're teaching them values of respect for others and sociable responsibility, but they'd call it obscene when they're teaching hatred and ignorance.

I implied nothing about Christians teaching hate. For the record, the parents in this case are cleary scumbags, but what makes them scumbags are the views they hold, rather than their desire to pass those views on.

And that, my friend, is my

[NC43Hog]

For the record, the parents in this case are cleary scumbags, but what makes them scumbags are the views they hold, rather than their desire to pass those views on.

Actually, I'd argue they are bigger scumbags because of passing their ignorance and hate onto another generation. Granted, they are teaching what was taught to them - hopefully these kids will wise up and break the cycle.

[tcwest10]

You just have to wonder what lies ahead for them, you know ? What could they possibly accomplish in life if they can't deal with differences in people ?
Plus, you can't home school a college degree of any worth.
Any potential those kids might've had to make a life for themselves was summarily ended the day they were born into hate.
It's a shame, and a travesty. I lump all programming of children together, to varying degrees.
This particular instance is the tenth degree.

[Hooligan]

The problem with living in a society where people are free to say whatever they want is when other people don't like what they're saying. Some think one of our "freedoms" is to never hear or see anything offensive in our lifetime. If we do, we try to censor and remove it forever. However, this goes directly against the freedom of speech and expression doesn't it?

Solution: change the channel, turn the dial, click another link. THAT's your freedom. People need to effing accept the fact that the world doesn't revolve around them and that our freedom of speech applies to people whose beliefs disagree with ours. Accept that we're going to come in contact with those beliefs sooner or later and MOVE ON. Don't like it? You don't have to keep listening to or seeing it! You can teach YOUR children otherwise. Everybody wants to break out the lawyers and sue and censor and blah. Deal with it and move on your way!

[tcwest10]

You're missing the point I was trying to get opinion on.
Express yourself in any way you see fit. I've lost family members who fought for our right to do so.
What about the kids ? Too young to make up their own minds about anything...being raised to hate.
What's your take on that ?