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Beer, Boorishness in Stands Spoil Games for Some Fans

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Beer, Boorishness in Stands Spoil Games for Some Fans

By Joe Holley
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 21, 2005; Page A01

Up in one of the nosebleed sections at FedEx Field yesterday, a man watched the game wearing a sweat shirt reading: "[Expletive] the Refs." With him was a little boy, maybe 5.

A few rows in front of them, two guys in Washington Redskins jerseys greeted every referee call against the team by shooting their arms into the air, middle fingers extended.

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One man was so wobbly by the second quarter that he toppled forward two rows, spilling beer on Leslie Weightman of Gaithersburg and digging his knee into the back of her husband, Jim. And leather-lung louts screamed obscenities against the Oakland Raiders until their voices were almost shot.

A scuffle broke out a couple of sections over. Prince George's County police and yellow-jacketed stadium security personnel, a dozen or so in all, had to climb to the top rows of the stadium to separate two clashing groups of fans -- men and women, Raiders fans and Redskins fans. They ejected four.

At least there was no knockdown, drag-out fight as there was at the game against the San Francisco 49ers a few weeks ago, when a half-dozen fans slugged it out, bodies flailing and falling like dominoes. It took police 10 minutes to come to the aid of an overwhelmed usher.

At FedEx Field and football stadiums throughout the National Football League, some fans are disgusted with the obnoxious behavior in the stands, particularly by alcohol-fueled spectators. It has become so bad that some are turning to television as a safer, less harrowing way to watch the game.

Beth Gourley, a 45-year-old Vienna resident, has held Redskins season tickets since 1963, but two years ago, she and her mother stopped going to games.

"People are hammered, the language is horrible and the ushers can't seem to do anything about it," Gourley said. "We're not beer drinkers -- we come to watch the game -- but the stadium caters to beer drinkers."

Certainly the rowdies and the boors are a fraction of the thousands of fans at FedEx Field -- a small city's worth -- and elsewhere, but they're enough to have changed the spectating culture into something resembling a World Wrestling Entertainment event. Bob Warren, a Redskins season ticket holder since the 1960s, has sold four of his six season passes. He says he has noticed a worsening in the past five years or so. "It's not the same friendly atmosphere it used to be," the 55-year-old Fairfax optometrist said. "The rowdiness and the language is definitely different."

Many disgruntled fans blame what Laurie Lieber of the California-based Marin Institute calls "an alcohol-saturated society" that seems synonymous with big-time sports these days.

"People have come to expect and accept the blanketing of alcohol promotion around sports," said Lieber, whose nonprofit public advocacy group considers alcohol abuse a public-health issue. She cited the increased signage at NFL stadiums, the ubiquitous TV commercials for beer and the bars and restaurants built into stadiums.

Lieber also noted the increase in tailgating. The practice has been around for years, but its popularity has skyrocketed in the past decade or so. Although teams encourage tailgating for the camaraderie and team spirit it promotes, it also makes drinking a day-long event. As Prince George's police Lt. Terence Sheppard said, "The longer people have to drink and socialize, the more problems we anticipate."


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Cut out the alcohol, its that simple. I doubt they'd do it because they make so much money off of it. The all mighty dollar is more important than our saftey.
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They make more on hot chocolate Chris...they were selling it for $6.00 a cup. I just bought a box of 12 WITH MARSHMALLOWS packs (Nestle's) for 99 CENTS !!!!
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This reminds of people who go to concerts and complain when people start dancing.

DC United has a family area on one side of RFK and the other side is reserved for the screaming eagles and all of the fans getting rowdy, having some beers and a good time. There should be room for both. They could make it work at Fedex.
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I thought the drinking was ridiculous too. There was one guy near me who was so drunk that his friend had to carry him out of the stadium. He was practically throwing up the whole time.
The beer vendors should stop the sale of alcohol after the first half. Right now, they stop selling by the end of the third quarter. If it was by the end of the 1st half there'd be a lot less fights.
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Don't stop the drinking, just start making people get a drinking license. Morons who can't control themselves shouldn't ruin it for everyone else.
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Morons who can't control themselves shouldn't ruin it for everyone else.


It's pretty simple: If they appear to be hammered, don't sell them a beer. I thought that was illegal anyway. A possible solution is, perhaps, to limit the number of beers you sell to a person at any given time. Maybe only sell one per person per visit to the beer line.

There are plenty of people who do drink responsibly so don't punish those people because of some drunken morons.
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At least there was no knockdown, drag-out fight as there was at the game against the San Francisco 49ers a few weeks ago, when a half-dozen fans slugged it out, bodies flailing and falling like dominoes. It took police 10 minutes to come to the aid of an overwhelmed usher.

I was at that game and one section over from where that series of fights broke out. It was truly horrifying. At that height, a simple tumble could prove deadly. I encourage THNers (both young and old) to please use common sense when a situation heats up: walk away, or at least invite the person to a more level (literally) fighting ground).
This reminds of people who go to concerts and complain when people start dancing.

Hardly. No one should have their right to enjoy a Redskins game taken away by some idiot who does not know when to say "when". Football, despite the competitive nature of the sport, is still that, a sport -- one that non-drinkers and families pay good money to attend.
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Man, this one dude almost died at the 49ers game.

This guy was totally out of it. He didn't know where he was. He needed help walking up the aisle, too. I thought he wet himself, too, but when he walked up the aisle, i saw chunks, meaning he puked all over himself. There was still some stuff left in his mouth, nose, and his goatee.

It was disgusting. Our section, myself espceially, was gagging because of this guy. He needed 3 guys to help him up the aisle.

You know what the sad part was? It was the FIRST QUARTER! That is insane!

During the 3rd quarter, someone said he was taken to the hospital for alcohol poisoning.

People need to control themselve or else they'll pay for it just like that guy did.

JansenFan wrote:Don't stop the drinking, just start making people get a drinking license. Morons who can't control themselves shouldn't ruin it for everyone else.


Good idea. Give them a drinking ID. Have a limit on the card (3 or 4 beers for example), with the persons picture and and punch the card for every beer sold them them. They should not be sold a beer without the card.
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SkinsChic wrote:They make more on hot chocolate Chris...they were selling it for $6.00 a cup. I just bought a box of 12 WITH MARSHMALLOWS packs (Nestle's) for 99 CENTS !!!!


yes, but there's no hot water included with those nestle packs. hot water for 12 hot chocolates can run 80 or 90 bucks.
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Oh right Joe...forgot about the hot water part....that does run into some bucks...LOL
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I have witnessed this for three years now and it has me starting to think about giving up my season tickets??
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Post by Chris Luva Luva »

Why get so drunk that you can't even watch the game? Just cut the alcohol out, drink after the game, drink before the game so that security can put you out before the game begins.

Dont ruin it for the rest of us because your an alcoholic. Im going to bring my godson to a lot of games and Im not going to stand for some jerk cursing around him and god forbid spill beer on him.
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Post by REDEEMEDSKIN »

If the Redskins would enforce their own stadium rules, the gameday experience could be more enjoyable.

Exhibit A:

In their online 'Stadium Guide', the Skins organization wrote:Guest Behavior
The Washington Redskins and FedExField desire to provide a fan-friendly atmosphere for all Guests. The following guidelines have been established for Guest behavior:

Be a team player - please restrict movement in the seating area to breaks in the action.
Standing or sitting in the portals, tunnels and stairs is not permitted.
Disabled seating platforms are for Guests with tickets for those areas only.
In addition, any Guests involved in the following will be subject to ejection:

Displaying inconsiderate or otherwise inappropriate behavior towards others.
Using foul language.
Appearing intoxicated.
Throwing any objects.
Violating the smoking policy.
Attempting to access areas without the proper ticket, pass and/or credential, or misuse of tickets, passes and/or credentials.
Failing to follow the instructions of FedExField representatives and/or the police.
Guests ejected from FedExField are not eligible for a refund. Season ticket account holders are responsible for the actions of any individual using their tickets. Inappropriate behavior by anyone using an account holder's ticket(s) is cause for revocation of season ticket privileges.
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Foul language could never last.

I have a good deal of HS games where the rule is broken.

Also, I sit near the visitor section at Arkansas games... Yikes, that rule, if well enforced, would have my entire section nearly thrown out...

At the Redskins-Packers game last year, I saw many things thrown after the call following Portis TD.

Though, beer can a way can contribute to a stadium atmosphere soemtimes if someone has had maybe one or two to get them going. Arkansa plays two games in little Rock War Memorial each year and the rest at Fayetteville. The games at Little Rcok War Memorial have 20,000 less people and are MUCH louder. The joke and kind of truth is because the Little Rock games are off campus, some fans are hammered... And ready to cheer. The Fayetteville games in no way allow alchol though you'll find tons of empty bottles in the toilets.

Also, the GREATEST THING IS HISTORY OF FOOTBALL JUMBOTRONS happened at an Arkansas game once. A student once was caught on the jumbotron taking a drink of alcohol.
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There are supposed to be rules that limit how much beer they can sell to one person. Supposed to be one per customer, but its not enforced.
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I don't mean to sound rude, which I probably will but there is just so many OLD OLD people at the games. I'm talking in their 70's. They have just as much right to be at the games as anyone else but this could be where the clash is coming in. I agree there is too many drunk people at the games but that will never stop. I was told to calm down because I was yelling by an old woman who was reading a book (no joke). I don't drink a drop at the games because I don't feel like being in the bathroom the entire game, I'm just really passionate about my team. I mean I hate to say it but if the beer drinekrs don't have a place at the game, neither do old people who read books. No matter what stadium you go to in the NFL, there is going to be belligerent idiots.
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I think limiting the beer to all is horsecrud. You don't sell beer to someone who is already wasted. Thats all the beer guys have to do.
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Redskins Rule wrote:I think limiting the beer to all is horsecrud. You don't sell beer to someone who is already wasted. Thats all the beer guys have to do.

See, what we need to do is put the old pepople to work as beer men/women. That way, they don't stop us from cheering, and they'd be too tired to make frequent trips to the cheap seats where the borrishness seems to be the worst. Problem solved. :up:
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The vendors who walk around selling beers work off commission. They are more worried about making money than they are if someone is wasted.
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HOSS wrote:The vendors who walk around selling beers work off commission. They are more worried about making money than they are if someone is wasted.

My point exactly. If you hire retired people, they don't need to make all that much, since their already getting some sort of pension, or their costs of living are lower. The young people are entirely too money hungry, and their enthusiasm is best served by allowing them to sit in the seats of the old people and cheer for the team.

I mean, FedEx could be the loudest in all the NFL, if those youngins took the old people's seats, and beer sales will be controlled by the old folk who know better.
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Or they could stop selling beer in the stands so people would have to get up and walk if they really wanted one. It would be easy to spot (and eject) the drunks if they had to stumble up/down the stairs and through the corridors.
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