Turnovers... (Chris Samuels)

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:15 pm

Here's an experiment...

-Hold a football in one hand ready to throw.

-Have a friend stand behind you where you cannot see them.

-Have that friend run at you at full speed and tackle you.

Did you hold onto the ball? No, and neither can Brunell. Is it his fault?

Not entirely, much if not all of the blame falls on Chris Samuels' shoulders.

It's become stylish to praise an offensive line endlessly in the media, but what about blame when they deserve it?

Chris Samuels has been the cause of many of these turnovers this season, he is SUPPOSED to be an elite player, and he's not. He's barely above average and he couldn't carry Jon Jansen's jock in a suitcase.

We need Ramsey in because Brunell was hurt this week, Ramsey is fresh and Jon Jansen is MUCH better at protecting a blindside.

dnpmakkah · Post by **dnpmakkah** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:21 pm

Well Rice is a great pass rushing DE...and Samuels is at best average. So I can understand him getting beat but what I don't understand is that once Rice is sacking Brunnel and both players are about to go down, why does Samuels try to pile up on top of them?

What is that going to accomplish. If he would of been more alert instead of jumping on a falling guy maybe he could have ran for the ball. But this is all to late now anyways.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 7:52 pm

I think the Rice sack was the fault of Robert Royals not blocking, not Samuels. Samuels has his pass-protection issues (he won't remind me of Jim Lachey any time soon), but lay the blame where it's due, honestly.

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:33 pm

If you're blaming Samuels on the first sack late in the first quarter, then you need your eyes checked. Did you not see Royal standing like a statue the WHOLE play?????

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:54 pm

Samuals sucks, we should have gotten rid of him, I don't care who replaced him. Anyone, an undrafted free agent, he is horrible. Its always Samuals guy that causes a turnover. That was the biggest mistake and not drafting Mike Williams. They had a field day with Carlos Rogers

redskingush · Post by **redskingush** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:58 pm

Brunell for some reason can't sense the rush, which is causing him to not protect the ball, he thinks he has more time.

SkinsFanInHawai'i · Post by **SkinsFanInHawai'i** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:00 pm

John Manfreda wrote:Samuals sucks, we should have gotten rid of him, I don't care who replaced him. Anyone, an undrafted free agent, he is horrible. Its always Samuals guy that causes a turnover. That was the biggest mistake and not drafting Mike Williams. They had a field day with Carlos Rogers

So what you are saying is that Jimoh is better then Rogers?
I think our O put up enough points. The D blew it.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:07 pm

If 35 points is not enough to win this game, then the defense has some explaining to do.

Granted 7 of those points are on the offense (Brunell fumble) but if someone told you yesterday that we would score 35 points in Tampa, no way you think we loose by 1

Inspired · Post by **Inspired** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:43 pm

The turnovers killed us today. I knew in the 1st Qtr when we turned it over twice in TB territory that this one would be tough to pull out a W. It took a flukey kick return by Betts for us to even have a chance. Brunell needs to learn how to hang onto the football. Watch the replay of his fumble in our territory and the ball just pops right out of his grasp. Also, the two INT's were both the receiver's fault, those boys need to make those catches. Both balls popped right off their chests.

ii7-V7 · Post by **ii7-V7** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:55 pm

John Manfreda wrote:Samuals sucks, we should have gotten rid of him, I don't care who replaced him. Anyone, an undrafted free agent, he is horrible. Its always Samuals guy that causes a turnover. That was the biggest mistake and not drafting Mike Williams. They had a field day with Carlos Rogers

You aren't allowed to comment on any players whose names you can't spell!

Chad

welch · Post by **welch** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:57 pm

Fumbles? Part Brunell, part the OL. Royal pain. Did he play any after Kozlowski came in? I don't remember seeing him. Right about Samuels.

We need Ramsey in because Brunell was hurt this week, Ramsey is fresh and Jon Jansen is MUCH better at protecting a blindside.

Wrong arms. Jansen covers Brunell's blind side. Samuels covers Ramsey's blindside.

aswas71788 · Post by **aswas71788** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:08 pm

How can you blame Brunells fumbles on Samuels? Brunell has been fumbling all year long. He is probably at about a dozen so far. Today, his funbling , bumbling cost the game. TB scores 14 pints off of his miscues. I give him the interceptions because both were bobbles that just happen to fall in the right place of TB.

No I take that back, the penalties inside the 5 yard line cost the game. That was the dumbest series for the defense that I have ever seen and I have seen back about 50 years.

chicosbailbond · Post by **chicosbailbond** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:26 pm

PulpExposure wrote:I think the Rice sack was the fault of Robert Royals not blocking, not Samuels. Samuels has his pass-protection issues (he won't remind me of Jim Lachey any time soon), but lay the blame where it's due, honestly.

I blame Gibbs then... b/c Royal shouldn't be charged with blocking Rice... Rice is good enough to block with a tackle and te... not just a te... that blocking scheme was bad... blame goes to the coaches....

air_hog · Post by **air_hog** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:39 pm

Yeah, the fumbles are not Chris' fault.

Even Brunell knows this himself, he always holds the ball low and pats it before throws. It's a bad habit he has and he knows it, and that is also the reason he fumbles.

He holds the ball by his wasit carelessly with one hand until he is ready to throw it.

However, the offensive line does need to step up and give Brunell more time.

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:43 pm

SkinsFanInHawai'i wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:Samuals sucks, we should have gotten rid of him, I don't care who replaced him. Anyone, an undrafted free agent, he is horrible. Its always Samuals guy that causes a turnover. That was the biggest mistake and not drafting Mike Williams. They had a field day with Carlos Rogers

So what you are saying is that Jimoh is better then Rogers?
I think our O put up enough points. The D blew it.

I never said Jimoh was good, I just said Rogers is getting tooled on.

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:44 pm

chaddukes wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:Samuals sucks, we should have gotten rid of him, I don't care who replaced him. Anyone, an undrafted free agent, he is horrible. Its always Samuals guy that causes a turnover. That was the biggest mistake and not drafting Mike Williams. They had a field day with Carlos Rogers

You aren't allowed to comment on any players whose names you can't spell!

Chad

He doesn't deserve to have his name spelled right.

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:46 pm

If funbles aren't Chris's fault than how come its always Chris guy that forces the fumble.

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:30 am

John Manfreda wrote:If funbles aren't Chris's fault than how come its always Chris guy that forces the fumble.

So by that logic, Rice could line up as a linebacker on our right side and blast past Jansen who may already be blocking somebody and sack Brunell....

and it would be Samuels' fault?

Genius. :roll:

Do you ever watch the line of scrimmage? Just because a player is assigned to a certain position to start the game doesn't mean he is assigned to a person.

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 10:25 am

Brunell for some reason can't sense the rush, which is causing him to not protect the ball, he thinks he has more time.

He has a high-priced("Redskins for , life, baby!!!" #-o

) LT who is supposed to provide protection. Brunell, or any of our QBs, should not have to "worry" about the rush, since we allegedly have great ends on offense. He's looking for open receivers, and it's up to his line to protect for him. Samuels, and, yes, Royal are to blame for the fumbles. The team recovered to dominate the Sucs. It's too bad those two penalties at the end cost us.

redskingush · Post by **redskingush** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 10:36 am

Is it a possiblity to see if Brian Kozlowski is better picking up blocks than Royal.

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:50 pm

Jake wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:If funbles aren't Chris's fault than how come its always Chris guy that forces the fumble.

So by that logic, Rice could line up as a linebacker on our right side and blast past Jansen who may already be blocking somebody and sack Brunell....

and it would be Samuels' fault?

Genius.

Do you ever watch the line of scrimmage? Just because a player is assigned to a certain position to start the game doesn't mean he is assigned to a person.

He could, but he didn't it was Samuels side. It was Rice beating Samuels, not him moving around. I watch the line of scrimmage and Rice always lined up against Samuels. Why do you like Samuels, he is greedy, he gives up a crap load of sacks, he rarely opens up holes for Portis to run through, he is just a flat out cancer. When we make big plays its always holding no. 60 repeat first down. But the staff deserves it, they should have been smart enought to let Samuels go.

SkinsFanInHawai'i · Post by **SkinsFanInHawai'i** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:55 pm

When we make big plays its always holding no. 60 repeat first down

I think it is usually Dockery no. 66

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:30 pm

John Manfreda wrote:
Jake wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:If funbles aren't Chris's fault than how come its always Chris guy that forces the fumble.

So by that logic, Rice could line up as a linebacker on our right side and blast past Jansen who may already be blocking somebody and sack Brunell....

and it would be Samuels' fault?

Genius.

Do you ever watch the line of scrimmage? Just because a player is assigned to a certain position to start the game doesn't mean he is assigned to a person.

He could, but he didn't it was Samuels side. It was Rice beating Samuels, not him moving around. I watch the line of scrimmage and Rice always lined up against Samuels. Why do you like Samuels, he is greedy, he gives up a crap load of sacks, he rarely opens up holes for Portis to run through, he is just a flat out cancer. When we make big plays its always holding no. 60 repeat first down.

I can't believe I'm responding to this rubbish.

Why do you care why I like Samuels? I know you hate him and for stupid reasons.

It's clear you don't listen to anything I say when I point out facts on Samuels.

He is NOT selfish, does NOT give up a crap load of sacks, and did very well opening up holes for Portis last night.

A cancer? Dude, your post is friggin nuts.

I'm glad you are back to your negative ways. Now don't come back to the positive side when we start to win again.

And as far as penalties go, it's Dockery costing us yardage game in and game out. You really do need to pay attention to the line of scrimmage because it's apparent you have many disillusions when a Redskin game is on TV.

You're never going to learn. You exaggerate more than a woman.

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:42 pm

Jake wrote:You're never going to learn. You exaggerate more than a woman.

[-X Young Jake, will YOU ever learn..... :lol:

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:54 pm

Rice did it to Chris two years ago up here...basically won the game himself. Portis blocked Rice very well yesterday!!