larry hughes, WE'RE BETTER WITHOUT HIM

vife · Post by **vife** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:41 pm

Larry Hughes, SG 31 2-9 0-0 6-6 0 3 3 6 2 1 5 4 10

we're better without him. 5 turnovers. 2-9 shooting. we got more than that with atkins/daniels who combined for 9 assists (or close to that). hayes is also playing great.

GOOD RIDDANCE

Fios · Post by **Fios** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:58 pm

You keep telling yourself that ... unless I am mistaken, Cleveland won that game. Hughes is a solid player and as a Cavs fan, I am exceedingly happy the Wizards let him go.

air_hog · Post by **air_hog** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:59 pm

Actually I think Larry Hughes is one of the most underrated players in the NBA.

Sure he had a bad game yesterday, but I highly doubt the Wizards are better without him.

And since I don't have a favorite NBA team, my official team for this year is....

The Memphis Grizzlies? OK, the only reason I like these guys' is becasue of #21:

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:58 am

I think the Wizards overall became less talented with the loss of Hughes. I think Hughes was a crucial piece of the team and it is important for the current acuisitions to fill his void.

SkinsBigtime · Post by **SkinsBigtime** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:48 am

Hughes was great last year and played a TON of minutes. I was sad to see him go. . .

To judge after one game doesn't mean that much.

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:06 pm

We essentially traded Larry Hughes and Kwame Brown for Antonio Daniels, Caron Butler and Chucky Atkins at half the price. Obviously losing Hughes was dissapointing, but it was a fantastic offseason.

Our roster is more versatile and flexible than in 04-05, and there is no reason the Wizards can't be every bit as good as last season, if not better.

skinsfano28 · Post by **skinsfano28** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:30 pm

if anyone should be called the freak its hakim warrick...did you see that one dunk (i forget who its against) where he just rose up from a standstill and dunked it over top of a 7 footer (or close to that)...that was sickening

air_hog · Post by **air_hog** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 2:26 am

skinsfano28 wrote:if anyone should be called the freak its hakim warrick...did you see that one dunk (i forget who its against) where he just rose up from a standstill and dunked it over top of a 7 footer (or close to that)...that was sickening

Dude!! Actually, I think that was on you guys'! (the Wizards that is)

There is a video of it on the Grizzlies official website.

But yeah, Hakim is the man. I can't wait untill the dunk contest :wink:

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:20 pm

air_hog wrote:
skinsfano28 wrote:if anyone should be called the freak its hakim warrick...did you see that one dunk (i forget who its against) where he just rose up from a standstill and dunked it over top of a 7 footer (or close to that)...that was sickening

Dude!! Actually, I think that was on you guys'! (the Wizards that is)

There is a video of it on the Grizzlies official website.

But yeah, Hakim is the man. I can't wait untill the dunk contest

http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/nba/tea ... 051017.asx

vife · Post by **vife** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 2:18 pm

Larry Hughes

Just because Hughes led the NBA in steals (2.89 per game) last season doesn't necessarily make him an outstanding defender. Excessive gambling on defense, no matter how many times it may succeed, is no substitute for playing solid position defense. Indeed, his being voted to the All-NBA Defensive Team (by the league's coaches!) was an instance of style being valued more than substance. Given that the Spurs are arguably the most fundamentally sound team in the league, Hughes was nevertheless repeatedly embarrassed when the champs ran their offense.

On several occasions, Hughes over-rotated and was sucked so far into the lane that he couldn't recover when the ball was kicked out (or reversed) to the player he was supposed to be guarding.

He was so frozen by Manu Ginobili's simple ball fakes that Ginobili had little trouble creating wide open shots.

Hughes was lost in space when Brent Barry ran a circle route. Lucky for Hughes, Barry never got the ball — even though he was also wide open.

Hughes had so much trouble getting through screens that he began going under them, thereby granting Ginobili several opportunities to shoot all by his lonesome.

A head-fake by Barry 25 feet from the basket succeeded in lifting Hughes off his feet.

Even without the immediate menace of a screen, Hughes couldn't stay in front of his man.

On offense, Hughes was very aggressive in the opening minutes: driving left for a score, going left for a pair of pull-up jumpers, one of which plunged through the net — the other clanging off the front rim. For the rest of the game, Hughes settled into a much more passive mode.

Most often, Hughes was stationed on the weak side opposite LeBron — and virtually all of his subsequent shots were generated by swing passes after either LeBron or Zydrunas Ilgauskas were double-teamed. After a second-quarter time out, coach Mike Brown tried to get Hughes more involved in the offense by having him take Ginobili into the low post — but Hughes committed an offensive foul.

Besides hitting a few outside shots, what else did Hughes do on offense?

Dribbled the ball for a full 10 seconds, looking for a shot, a pass — but going nowhere — and then getting tooted for traveling.

He took at least three hurried shots, including a missed jumper in a one-on-three transition situation.

He penetrated into the lane, then tossed a pass back out to no one.

Hughes is defenseless on one end, out of control on the other and has a long way to go before he can become a competent side-kick for King James.

from foxsportsnet

were better off

Fios · Post by **Fios** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:04 am

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=251115005

Yes, definitely better off :roll:

First of all, isolating the performance of one player against the defending NBA champions, at home, is unfair, the Spurs excell at creating open space for their shooters and have several very good offensive players. The nature of the NBA is such that, given enough chances, good offense will win out more often than good defense and the Cavaliers played poor team defense that night. I could isolate the play of anyone in the NBA on any night and make them seem inept.
Last night, for example, the Hughes/Snow tandem drew the difficult task of guaring Arenas. The box score speaks for itself. Were I to analyze his performance in the same way you did to Hughes, Arenas would look pitiful.
The fact is, the Wizards are still a good team but to say they are better without Hughes is inane. And, for the record, the Wizards players and announcers disagree with you.

skinsfano28 · Post by **skinsfano28** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 6:56 pm

although that dunk is sick, i forgot to mention that i was talking about the one from when he was at syracuse...SORRY!!! if anyone can find a link, that'd be awesome

good find on the link though..