Is Portis the best fit for this offense?

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:10 pm

the screen play the Cheifs ran for Holmes we should run for Portis.

Englands Team · Post by **Englands Team** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:32 pm

Portis is a great player and will break more long runs as teams start to defend the pass more.

I do however think that Gibbs woul dprefare a back like Johnston of the Chiefs. He is big and fast. We see the Chiefs quite a bit over here and i've always been impressed with him.

die cowboys die · Post by **die cowboys die** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:44 am

spudstr04 wrote:It is not his fault that Gibbs is letting Brunell throw 40-50 times a game and not give him the ball at the goal line....I personally feel terrible for him because he is a team player that doesn't care about stats, but he deserves to get the ball more!!!!

whenever he gets the ball at the goal line, we lose 2 yards.

skinsdeep · Post by **skinsdeep** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:46 am

I want to beleive that Portis can still do it. Signing him was a big deal guys, and we can't forget that. It's the way we use our offense, not the offense itself. We should rely on a certain order of things. Pass deep early, open up the D, give CP his chance on the outside. When we call plays in the gut we should almost always bring out Ladell or Rock. Portis can still do it, he's still a good back. Have faith Hogs, have faith.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:30 pm

Clinton Portis wrote:"Goal-line situations are killing us. We're dominating short yardage. . . . Our short yardage offense is pretty good. It's just goal-line when teams stack up and make us throw the ball. [Defenses] are getting penetration somehow. We have to figure that out and find a way to get into the end zone."

I guess we need to keep on with the passing game. If they're daring us to pass then we need to give them a reason to keep guys off of the line. The coaches have to trust the offense by now to not turn the ball over via INT.

Fumbling is another thing... :lol:

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:49 pm

whenever he gets the ball at the goal line, we lose 2 yards.

that has more to do with the offensive line than with cp. there's nothing that he can do if there are defensive players in the backfield when he gets the ball

die cowboys die · Post by **die cowboys die** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:57 pm

SkinzCanes wrote:
whenever he gets the ball at the goal line, we lose 2 yards.

that has more to do with the offensive line than with cp. there's nothing that he can do if there are defensive players in the backfield when he gets the ball

i'm not neccessarily disagreeing with you, just saying that at this point, it seems wasteful to run at the goal line.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:57 pm

SkinzCanes wrote:
whenever he gets the ball at the goal line, we lose 2 yards.

that has more to do with the offensive line than with cp. there's nothing that he can do if there are defensive players in the backfield when he gets the ball

I'd have to agree. Any sized back will have trouble with the type of penetration that we have.

Ive noticed

1. O-linemen not sustaining their blocking. I've noticed that when CP is moving through the ranks that Dlinemen often are able to get to him easily. Maybe its just me but our guys seem to not be able to sustain blocks until CP is out of the whole.

hkHog · Post by **hkHog** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:48 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
SkinzCanes wrote:
whenever he gets the ball at the goal line, we lose 2 yards.

that has more to do with the offensive line than with cp. there's nothing that he can do if there are defensive players in the backfield when he gets the ball

I'd have to agree. Any sized back will have trouble with the type of penetration that we have.

Ive noticed

1. O-linemen not sustaining their blocking. I've noticed that when CP is moving through the ranks that Dlinemen often are able to get to him easily. Maybe its just me but our guys seem to not be able to sustain blocks until CP is out of the whole.

I agree 100%. I can't remember seeing an opposing D-lineman or LB lying on his butt to spring a big play. Our guys aren't finishing their blocks. Just watch how many Redskin defenders were left lying on the ground by the Seattle, Denver, and KC linemen on the big plays against us. Those are elite O-lines and ours just isn't. The line also never gets any push on short yardage plays.

hkHog · Post by **hkHog** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:51 am

die cowboys die wrote:
SkinzCanes wrote:
whenever he gets the ball at the goal line, we lose 2 yards.

that has more to do with the offensive line than with cp. there's nothing that he can do if there are defensive players in the backfield when he gets the ball

i'm not neccessarily disagreeing with you, just saying that at this point, it seems wasteful to run at the goal line.

Sellers, Royal, and Cool

ey have really played well in these situations. I agree, the only reason to run is to set up a bootleg to one of those guys because you know we can't run it in. Moss even got in on the goal line action last week.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:52 am

Well, those teams have had something that this team hasn't. That missing ingredient is consistency. Ive been told that it takes 2-3 years for an oline to gel. We have a new center and Jansen didn't play at all last year.

We still have some issues that need to be addressed.

hkHog · Post by **hkHog** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:07 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Well, those teams have had something that this team hasn't. That missing ingredient is consistency. Ive been told that it takes 2-3 years for an oline to gel. We have a new center and Jansen didn't play at all last year.

We still have some issues that need to be addressed.

Yes, I agree. I was trashing the Dirtbags a bit but they have shown some good signs. It's just their inconsistency right now. I thought they would be pushing guys over from the get go this year but so far they have just made too many mistakes. I think as the year goes on the consistency will come.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:12 am

hkHog wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Well, those teams have had something that this team hasn't. That missing ingredient is consistency. Ive been told that it takes 2-3 years for an oline to gel. We have a new center and Jansen didn't play at all last year.

We still have some issues that need to be addressed.

Yes, I agree. I was trashing the Dirtbags a bit but they have shown some good signs. It's just their inconsistency right now. I thought they would be pushing guys over from the get go this year but so far they have just made too many mistakes. I think as the year goes on the consistency will come.

Im curious to see how Nemo can move the chains behind this Oline. I see a few things that need to be improved/changed in the scheme, Portis and line. Everyone has their hand in the cookie jar with this.

As far as Portis is concerned Im wondering where his head is right now. I wonder if he's thinking a tad bit too much. I wonder if he's playing the lead block plays to the T just a tad bit too much. When I say that I mean if he's not using his intuition as much as he could be, he's just sticking to the play and thats it. Who knows...

Id like to see a bruiser like Nemo get in there. Portis can be taken down with an arm tackle here or there, Nemo is a different beast. About 30 more pounds of beastliness! :lol:

Why he isnt in for goaline situations is beyond me.

skinsdeep · Post by **skinsdeep** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 9:36 am

To be honest on a quick quip...I think Portis is going to open a can of run-ass on the 49ers, in a matter of speaking.

Fanforever · Post by **Fanforever** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:21 pm

In JG's first tenure we had established ourselves as pretty much a running team with the bevy of backs we had back then. This team for some reason hasn't been able to establish an idenity. We seem to do things some-timey, sometime we pass block, sometime we dont, Sometime we run block sometime we don't. It's the consistency we lack, though I think that will eventually come.

As for Portis, I think we could use him in some situations that would be more beneficial to the skills he bring. If there is anything he's lacking is that ability to break a tackle here and there. The one thing I notice about Clinton is that he seems to go down to easily.