Our greatest strength and most agitating weakness: coaching

[crazyhorse1]

Our greatest strenght and most agitating weakness: the coaching. It's hard to argue with the way Gibbs has turned the offense around, but still inexplicable that he keeps sending Portis up the gut for one yard runs. At the same time, it's impossible not to acknowlege that Williams is anything less than a genius, so how is it we let Pierce go and he's the only one I know who doesn't know that LaVar has to replace Holdman NOW.

[Chris Luva Luva]

The greatest weakness I've seen recently are the fans. Fans who dont cheer at the stadium. Fans who dont stay to the end of the game. Fans who gave up on the team against the seahawks. Fans who turn on a defense PLAGUED with injuries. FANS WHO HAVE FORGOTTEN THE 2004 OFFENSE.



I guess you guys are so used to losing that you dont know how to act when we're winning. You're so accustomed to whining and moaning about how bad we are that now most of you have nothing better to do with your time.

Yea a #3 defense is 2004 is bad coaching.
Yea a 2005 defense that has kept us in every game is poorly coached.

A offense that has improved by LAARGE amounts in contrast to last year is poorly coached.

Sorry that Gibbs isn't a god and hasn't transformed as magically into the Colts.

Sorry that Gibbs still has Spurrier players that he has to utilize.

Sorry that Gibbs has his hands tied because of former player acquisitions.

Sorry that Gibbs has brought order and some level of prestige and decency back to the Redskins.

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[gay4pacman]

[quote="crazyhorse1"]Our greatest strenght and most agitating weakness: the coaching. It's hard to argue with the way Gibbs has turned the offense around, but still inexplicable that he keeps sending Portis up the gut for one yard runs. At the same time, it's impossible not to acknowlege that Williams is anything less than a genius, so how is it we let Pierce go and he's the only one I know who doesn't know that LaVar has to replace Holdman NOW.[/quote

sweep to portis.....touchdown washington redskins.

[SCSkinsFan]

CLL - Amen, brother! I'll be there, yelling and screaming, until the end this coming Sunday!

[Uaintready]

I agree with everything your saying, Portis is not going to plow the line especially when there is still eight men in the box. And the oline is still waiting on a dominating performance. If Gibbs would run more plays like KC and Denver run for there backs Portis could create more big plays. I have a stat Brunell is 0-3 when throwing for 300 yards, not saying those numbers areant great but were not trying to pound teams like we should. And GW is a great coach but, I know he understands that the D line is not going to create a pass rush, and he cant blitz as much, so he needs a player like Lavar on the field.

Our greatest strenght and most agitating weakness: the coaching. It's hard to argue with the way Gibbs has turned the offense around, but still inexplicable that he keeps sending Portis up the gut for one yard runs. At the same time, it's impossible not to acknowlege that Williams is anything less than a genius, so how is it we let Pierce go and he's the only one I know who doesn't know that LaVar has to replace Holdman NOW.

[Uaintready]

YOu need to understand that as a Team we cannot be satisfied with just being ok, we need to be dominant. Teams like the New England didnt win 3 super bowls by just being average, and thats where we are. We need to try too be the best, and not just win games, but dominant teams.

The greatest weakness I've seen recently are the fans. Fans who dont cheer at the stadium. Fans who dont stay to the end of the game. Fans who gave up on the team against the seahawks. Fans who turn on a defense PLAGUED with injuries. FANS WHO HAVE FORGOTTEN THE 2004 OFFENSE.



I guess you guys are so used to losing that you dont know how to act when we're winning. You're so accustomed to whining and moaning about how bad we are that now most of you have nothing better to do with your time.

Yea a #3 defense is 2004 is bad coaching.
Yea a 2005 defense that has kept us in every game is poorly coached.

A offense that has improved by LAARGE amounts in contrast to last year is poorly coached.

Sorry that Gibbs isn't a god and hasn't transformed as magically into the Colts.

Sorry that Gibbs still has Spurrier players that he has to utilize.

Sorry that Gibbs has his hands tied because of former player acquisitions.

Sorry that Gibbs has brought order and some level of prestige and decency back to the Redskins.

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[Chris Luva Luva]

The ONLY reason we can't blitz as much is because of the injuries at CB. We can't blitz if Lavar is in the game until the corners are happy. Why? GW doesn't trust Rogers and JIMOH on the islands. So what does that mean? A lot of zone coverage to mask the problems at CB. What does that mean? Our LB's have to play zone within a complex D. So what does that have to do with Arrington? According to the coaches Lavar has not grasped the concepts of this defense just yet.

I bet when our CB's are at 100% Lavar will get into the game.

[Scottskins]

and the Patriots don't dominate teams, they do just enough to win most of the time...

The fans are our glaring weakness right now....

[Chris Luva Luva]

YOu need to understand that as a Team we cannot be satisfied with just being ok, we need to be dominant. Teams like the New England didnt win 3 super bowls by just being average, and thats where we are. We need to try too be the best, and not just win games, but dominant teams.

Show me where I said its ok to be mediocre. Dont reply to me again if you show me where I ever said that its good enough to be "ok". Show me that quote. I doubt you understood my post or my view on this defense.

Show me how we can be dominant on defense without using Lavar as a cop out.

We can't get a DE, we didn't address it in the draft and we're cap strapped because of PREVIOUS YEARS BEFORE GIBBS GOT HERE. Gregg got away with no pass rush because he could blitz last year. Why could he blitz? He had good corners? Who started last week at corner? JIMOH AND ROGERS! Do you want to blitz the house with Jimoh on an island? Gregg is stuck because of injuries but most of you dont understand football anyway so Im wasting my breath.

[SkinzCanes]

Gregg got away with no pass rush because he could blitz last year. Why could he blitz? He had good corners? Who started last week at corner? JIMOH AND ROGERS! Do you want to blitz the house with Jimoh on an island? Gregg is stuck because of injuries but most of you dont understand football anyway so Im wasting my breath.

Chris I agree with the majority of what you have said in this thread but the situation at corner is on the coaches. It wasn't very smart to go into the season with a talented, but injury prone, corner in Springs without having an adequate backup. Rogers is talented but young and inexperienced and Jimoh is flat out one of the worst corners in the NFL. Granted we are up against the cap but I am not saying that we should have signed a stud free agent, I just think that we should've done a better job of planning for injuries, especially since Springs hasn't played a complete season since 2000. The coaches by and large have done a magnificent job in starting the process of turning the franchise around but there are also a few areas that they have struggled in.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Canes, I understand you and I can agree with that. Maybe CB should have been addressed more closely but hingsight is 20/20. Our coaches have some oversights just like any other coach in this league. The same can now be said for the PATs who are faltering with rookie players. Im just irritated with all people who are talking down about this team and dont seem to understand the monumental task that has been propsed to these coaches in trying to right a sinking ship.

Gibbs didnt come for the money, he came to save his beloved franchise!

[Scottskins]

What would you have had us do about our CBs? You can't just go out and conjur up good CBs who will take hardly any money out of thin air. They don't exist. We have a pretty good group of DBs. Better than last years squad. The problem is that we've been hit by the injury bug unlike last year.

Our team did what it could to improve this offseason, and we have improved a tremendous amount. We will improve even more this next offseason even without big aquisitions. After that, we are home free and can sign some top notch talent to bolster our ranks.

It doesn't happen overnight and it's getting pretty old, how many of the fans on here are expecting perfection. This is a solid football team already. In a little over a year, Gibbs and GW took us from one of the jokes of the NFL to a team nobody wants to play. Wait until this time next year....

[thaiphoon]

Actually, Crazyhorse I'll have to disagree with you here as well.

To keep a defense honest you have to keep trying to attack it at all places. Even if the middle is one of a defense's strengths you shouldn't avoid it completely. If you do then they start the cheat to the outside and then they beat you there as well. So think of it 3 moves in advance rather than that particular play.

Now - does that mean that I think Portis is the best between the tackles runner? Nope... just that we need to do the inside stuff at times in order to open up the outside stuff and make the safeties cheat to the line so we open up big pass plays

[mkmotam]

i was at the Skins/Chiefs game in KC last sunday. the 2 turnovers we had deep in KC territory was crucial, especially the 2nd one which sammy knight ran back for a TD. our defense really seemed aggresive 95% of the time, save for the 60 yrd TD reception by priest holmes, which was due to mental error on our side more than anything. aside from holmes 60 yard run, we really stuffed his arse with 18 yrds rushing. the problems with arrington & the inability of the defense to be an effective pass rushing force aside, if we can just work primarily on avoiding the mental errors which cause the turnovers on offense & the occasional long TD runs allowed by the defense, we've come a long way to winning more games easily. more than anything, its the mistakes killing us.
on a related subject, i hear a lot of people saying we need arrington in order to form a pass rushing force on defense as well as a factor in creating turnovers. in my humble opinion, it seems that usually it takes more than one person to be that kind of force. we need at least 2-3 more people on defense to step-up in that capacity. inspite of the injuries in the secondary, this is something we can & probably are working at.
one thing thats baffling to me & which i've heard on the posts many times, why run portis up the gut when he's strictly a side-to-side cut back specialist? your guess is as good as mine. we do have palys fit for a runner like portis, thats why he was able to get 100+ yards against the broncos. but i think against the chiefs, after the second fumble deep in KC territory ended up as a TD for chiefs, we were in hurry to score & did not opt for too many running plays.

[Irn-Bru]

so how is it we let Pierce go and he's the only one I know who doesn't know that LaVar has to replace Holdman NOW.

1.) Pierce wanted more money than the coaches perceived he was worth. A team should never sign a player for (significantly) more than they think he's worth. This has been the number one problem for the Skins since Danny took over: they were horrible judges of how much players were worth. The number one problem, without question (in my mind).

2.) There is more to the Lavar situation than 99.9% of people know about. I'm in the 99.9%, and so are you. Greg Williams is not.


I'm with CLL on this one. Oh well. I'm still young, so I've got nothing but time, with which I can wait out the storm.

[joebagadonuts]

he keeps sending Portis up the gut for one yard runs.

did you see how many play fakes the skins used in the 3rd & 4th quarter of the kc game? what do you think sets up those play fakes -- sweeps? screen passes to portis? nope. 1 yard runs up the gut, that's what.

there's always more to a play than you might think you know. the coaches aren't going for an 80 yard run on every play. sometimes, there's simply trying to slowly change what the defense is doing so that they can score in the latter half of the game.

[Scottskins]

he keeps sending Portis up the gut for one yard runs.

did you see how many play fakes the skins used in the 3rd & 4th quarter of the kc game? what do you think sets up those play fakes -- sweeps? screen passes to portis? nope. 1 yard runs up the gut, that's what.

there's always more to a play than you might think you know. the coaches aren't going for an 80 yard run on every play. sometimes, there's simply trying to slowly change what the defense is doing so that they can score in the latter half of the game.

great post joe, but do you really think it's gonna sink in? I mean, doesn't every skins fan in the world KNOW that this is how Joe runs an offense? Have any of them looked at Riggins stats, or any other RB that played for him? The whole thing is predicated around grind it out, time of possession and tricking defenses to get big plays. Kind of like what we've been seeing this year...

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

he keeps sending Portis up the gut for one yard runs.

did you see how many play fakes the skins used in the 3rd & 4th quarter of the kc game? what do you think sets up those play fakes -- sweeps? screen passes to portis? nope. 1 yard runs up the gut, that's what.

there's always more to a play than you might think you know. the coaches aren't going for an 80 yard run on every play. sometimes, there's simply trying to slowly change what the defense is doing so that they can score in the latter half of the game.

Thanks, joe for providing this explanation. I hope everyone reads it and quits complaining about this squad.

BTW- Has anyone noticed that we are undefeated at home??? If we continue that trend alone, we're guaranteed 9 victories. This team has shown that it can play on the road, even with those losses. I believe we are in good shape.

[JansenFan]

he keeps sending Portis up the gut for one yard runs.

did you see how many play fakes the skins used in the 3rd & 4th quarter of the kc game? what do you think sets up those play fakes -- sweeps? screen passes to portis? nope. 1 yard runs up the gut, that's what.

there's always more to a play than you might think you know. the coaches aren't going for an 80 yard run on every play. sometimes, there's simply trying to slowly change what the defense is doing so that they can score in the latter half of the game.

Wait a minute. Are you trying to convince me that a HOF coach uses strategy and game planning on calls in the first quarter to affect the fourth quarter?

Put downt he crack pipe Joe.

[thaiphoon]

did you see how many play fakes the skins used in the 3rd & 4th quarter of the kc game? what do you think sets up those play fakes -- sweeps? screen passes to portis? nope. 1 yard runs up the gut, that's what.

there's always more to a play than you might think you know. the coaches aren't going for an 80 yard run on every play. sometimes, there's simply trying to slowly change what the defense is doing so that they can score in the latter half of the game.

Thanks Joe for agreeing with me... I thought I was the only one who was going to post this explanation ...

[roybus14]

GW has done a great job of running his scheme and stopping opponents using a coverage and blitzing defense. Meaning, the pressure we put on the QB is predicated by our CBs being healthy (Springs and Harris) because the are pretty damn good cover corners. Their cover abilities allow GW to run the blitzes that he ran last year and be successful with it. Without our CBs locking down receivers, we can't run our blitz packages as frequently as we did before.

But now, we are exposed because we don't have that pass rush threat upfront to make up for our lack of blitzes due to the injured CBs. If we had at least one guy on the D-Line that was a legitimate sack threat, we may have more turnovers or sacks and it would give guys like Rogers and Jimoh better chances in the secondary because the WRs would have to break route because of the breakdown of the pocket. Thus throwing off the timing. This is not an endorsement for #56 but a plea to get someone upfront that can get to the QB or disrupt him on a regular basis. If that guy is the backup DE or Lavar or a free agent then get them in the game to help us.

[HEROHAMO]

The greatest weakness I've seen recently are the fans. Fans who dont cheer at the stadium. Fans who dont stay to the end of the game. Fans who gave up on the team against the seahawks. Fans who turn on a defense PLAGUED with injuries. FANS WHO HAVE FORGOTTEN THE 2004 OFFENSE.



I guess you guys are so used to losing that you dont know how to act when we're winning. You're so accustomed to whining and moaning about how bad we are that now most of you have nothing better to do with your time.

Yea a #3 defense is 2004 is bad coaching.
Yea a 2005 defense that has kept us in every game is poorly coached.

A offense that has improved by LAARGE amounts in contrast to last year is poorly coached.

Sorry that Gibbs isn't a god and hasn't transformed as magically into the Colts.

Sorry that Gibbs still has Spurrier players that he has to utilize.

Sorry that Gibbs has his hands tied because of former player acquisitions.

Sorry that Gibbs has brought order and some level of prestige and decency back to the Redskins.

to this thread.

I totally agree I live in California and First chance I get to go to a game Im probably gonna sleep in the stadium if i could id live in the stadium all year lol. I cant beleive there are fans who dont cheer thats totally dispicable.