Lavar Arrinton.... Merged

Scottskins · Post by **Scottskins** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:42 am

This defense of Greg's is totally dependant on people being where they are supposed to be. That's why a bunch of no names can come in and be successful. The scheme gets it done for the most part. Wherever there is a weakness, Greg overbalances to that weakness to cover it up. If Lavar plays, you risk one of the gaps being vacant on every play. That is my opinion, and IMO that is why Greg is not starting Lavar.

If Lavar hadn't been sitting so long, Greg probably couldn't have taken him off the field. But as it worked out, Lavar hadn't been on the field in awhile anyway, so it was easy to get to this point.

Lavar has to learn how to play football the right way if he want's to start for Greg Williams. Plain and simple.

roybus14 · Post by **roybus14** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:41 am

The one thing that was pointed out on Riggo's show yesterday is the point that Lavar is not the only player that Gibbs has coached that was "undisciplined". Think Dexter Manley for one. Also, are we to believe that he has talked more to Lavar than he has to Riggo, Darryl Green, or even Thiesman?

It's all smoke and mirrors and they are running out of excuses. I am actually tired of it and they either play the guy or deactivate him and pick up another CB.

One poster pointed out how GWs scheme makes the average player good because it's all about being in the right place. In that scheme, a superstar will be stumped and prone to break their lane to make a play. Look at Taylor. He does it all of the time. He was a headache for GW last year and now all of a sudden GW is in love with him? GW said that Lavar will make him a better coach? What happened between now and when he made that statement????

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:25 am

Scottskins wrote:Lavar has to learn how to play football the right way if he want's to start for Greg Williams. Plain and simple.

This is a dead horse already, but your comment would make more sense if the same Greg Williams didn't come in and make Lavar the starter last season over guys like Lemar Marshall and Antonio Pierce.

Apparently GW thought he "knew how to play the right way then"..which lead to his now famous quote "I am a better coach when Lavar is on the field."

I get your point, but I think this has less to do with him "playing the right way" and more to do with something else in house.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:52 am

roybus14 wrote: The one thing that was pointed out on Riggo's show yesterday is the point that Lavar is not the only player that Gibbs has coached that was "undisciplined".

GW is running this D and JG is the coach of this team. They are going to continue to make adjustments that they feel will make this team be successful. The 'world' has changed since Gibbs first go round and what he feels will work this time is going to be what we will see.
Patience! These guys are good.

.. are we to believe that he has talked more to Lavar than he has to Riggo, Darryl Green, or even Thiesman?

IMO we absolutely believe and trust Joe Gibbs!
We should always understand that what is 'reported' is probably 'interpreted' incorrectly.
IMO we should give GW and Gibbs the opportunity to continue the success they have had.

..It's all smoke and mirrors and they are running out of excuses.

It's called the NFL, the way Gibbs wants to 'handle' it! he does'nt exactly like to make it too obvious! - plus, we are doing fairly well, we look better than most all other teams, and it's not worth getting stressed about.

Go to the Hognostication thread if you want stress! this is fun! =D>

Plus, if you're stressed, can you imagine the Chief's offensive genius? he's thinking, 'will he or wont he?' and 'when will he?' and 'where's he going to put him?' ](*,)

gus · Post by **gus** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:01 pm

I think Lavars value in the NFL is being reduced by the minute with comments like: he is a freelancer on the field, he isn't 100% healthy, he doesn't practice hard enough, and so on and on.

Is he worthless for the team? Is there a team in the NFL that could use Lavar? If the answers to this questions are NO and YES respectively, Lavars value should not be brought down.

HaiL,

wbbradb · Post by **wbbradb** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:13 pm

The fact that this thread has nearly 50 pages is just ridiculous! Does everyone on this board think they know defenses and can evaluate players better than Coach Williams? Why? Because they remember a few highlights of Lavar stripping the ball or hitting the snot out of a quarterback? Big deal!

Does anyone remember the countless times a quarterback dumped the ball right over a charging Lavar to a wide open running back who ran 20 some yards for a first down? Was Lavar supposed to pick up that running back? I don't know. I don't know the schemes and the assignments. I don't pretend to know. I do know that all those years Lavar has been playing and making Pro Bowls, playoff appearances have been pretty rare--and not just because of our offense.

There is no mystery here. Look at the tapes. These coaches are not dumb. You do not know more about football than these coaches.

Will

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:18 pm

wbbradb wrote:The fact that this thread has nearly 50 pages is just ridiculous! Does everyone on this board think they know defenses and can evaluate players better than Coach Williams? Why? Because they remember a few highlights of Lavar stripping the ball or hitting the snot out of a quarterback? Big deal!

Does anyone remember the countless times a quarterback dumped the ball right over a charging Lavar to a wide open running back who ran 20 some yards for a first down? Was Lavar supposed to pick up that running back? I don't know. I don't know the schemes and the assignments. I don't pretend to know. I do know that all those years Lavar has been playing and making Pro Bowls, playoff appearances have been pretty rare--and not just because of our offense.

There is no mystery here. Look at the tapes. These coaches are not dumb. You do not know more about football than these coaches.

Will

Let me take a guess at why it's almost 50 pages

This thread is so long because half the post say just about the same thing that is posted in the reply.
Of course the other 50% are completely opposite of this view.

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:19 pm

wbbradb wrote:The fact that this thread has nearly 50 pages is just ridiculous! Does everyone on this board think they know defenses and can evaluate players better than Coach Williams? Why? Because they remember a few highlights of Lavar stripping the ball or hitting the snot out of a quarterback? Big deal!

Does anyone remember the countless times a quarterback dumped the ball right over a charging Lavar to a wide open running back who ran 20 some yards for a first down? Was Lavar supposed to pick up that running back? I don't know. I don't know the schemes and the assignments. I don't pretend to know. I do know that all those years Lavar has been playing and making Pro Bowls, playoff appearances have been pretty rare--and not just because of our offense.

There is no mystery here. Look at the tapes. These coaches are not dumb. You do not know more about football than these coaches.

Will

Funny that this post created the 49th page...

redskinz4ever · Post by **redskinz4ever** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:39 pm

welch wrote:Is there anything left to be said about this topic?

yes please no more lavar ....until he plays a freakin down :!:

USAFSkinFan · Post by **USAFSkinFan** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 2:00 pm

I think the coaches just want to get Lavar so riled up that when he gets to play the second half of the season, he's going to work his nads off trying to prove the coaches wrong... then he's going to go out and blow up a few QBs...

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 2:17 pm

wbbradb wrote:The fact that this thread has nearly 50 pages is just ridiculous! Does everyone on this board think they know defenses and can evaluate players better than Coach Williams?

I actually felt this was one of the best discussions we have had since the Ohalete vs. Bowen debates.

No one is pretending to know more than the Redskins coaching staff, but that doesn't mean we have to shut off our brains and go get "REDSKINS" tatooed to our forehead.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:01 pm

USAFSkinFan wrote:I think the coaches just want to get Lavar so riled up that when he gets to play the second half of the season, he's going to work his nads off trying to prove the coaches wrong... then he's going to go out and blow up a few QBs...

That sounds like Joe.

roybus14 · Post by **roybus14** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 7:21 pm

wbbradb wrote:The fact that this thread has nearly 50 pages is just ridiculous! Does everyone on this board think they know defenses and can evaluate players better than Coach Williams? Why? Because they remember a few highlights of Lavar stripping the ball or hitting the snot out of a quarterback? Big deal!

Does anyone remember the countless times a quarterback dumped the ball right over a charging Lavar to a wide open running back who ran 20 some yards for a first down? Was Lavar supposed to pick up that running back? I don't know. I don't know the schemes and the assignments. I don't pretend to know. I do know that all those years Lavar has been playing and making Pro Bowls, playoff appearances have been pretty rare--and not just because of our offense.

There is no mystery here. Look at the tapes. These coaches are not dumb. You do not know more about football than these coaches.

Will

I guess we live in a "democracy" where no one is entitled to their own opinion. Since you feel that many of us don't know anything about football, how do you know about us not knowing anything about football???? (that sentence sounds kinda weird or silly right? that's how your statement sounds)

You don't know who has played the game or who hasn't. You don't know who has coached football (on any level) and who has not. The people on this board are only expressing opinions on what they are seeing and hearing. I seriously doubt that any of us are at Redskins Park in the film rooms and on the practice field to see and hear what is going on. So all we have to go on is what we see and hear from the media..

Relax, these are just opinions. Just like you have your opinion about how silly the 50 pages are, many of us have our opinions about this whole situation....

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:10 pm

cvillehog wrote:
wbbradb wrote:The fact that this thread has nearly 50 pages is just ridiculous! Does everyone on this board think they know defenses and can evaluate players better than Coach Williams? Why? Because they remember a few highlights of Lavar stripping the ball or hitting the snot out of a quarterback? Big deal!

Does anyone remember the countless times a quarterback dumped the ball right over a charging Lavar to a wide open running back who ran 20 some yards for a first down? Was Lavar supposed to pick up that running back? I don't know. I don't know the schemes and the assignments. I don't pretend to know. I do know that all those years Lavar has been playing and making Pro Bowls, playoff appearances have been pretty rare--and not just because of our offense.

There is no mystery here. Look at the tapes. These coaches are not dumb. You do not know more about football than these coaches.

Will

Funny that this post created the 49th page...

Irony at its best.

cwb4skins · Post by **cwb4skins** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:16 pm

i just wanted to see if i could be the first post on page 50!

cwb4skins · Post by **cwb4skins** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:17 pm

darn!...nope....still page 49.

cwb4skins · Post by **cwb4skins** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:21 pm

i did it!!!........

i would luv to at least see L.A. in some kinda pass rushing downs. remeber that sweet hit on Vick a couple years ago......when he sacked him and hit his a** so hard it knocked the ball loose. plus....the Rams game, at the end...the fumble he caused to seal the victory......the pick and td against Car.

Arrington is the type of player that can ultimately change an outcome of any game.......from one huge play that he makes. i hope he gets back in the game.......wow!, it'll be a shame to lose him just because he's making to much money for the cap!

1fan4ramsey · Post by **1fan4ramsey** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 10:08 pm

he should atleast be in on 3rd and long, this has turned into yet another embarasing situation for the club.

Great Natale · Post by **Great Natale** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 10:44 pm

I remember reading that Parcels said LT was the most "reckless" player he has ever coached. If LT was currently a Redskin in his prime would he be benched as well?

2SeanTaylor1 · Post by **2SeanTaylor1** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 11:09 pm

if he was, he prolly knock out the coach

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 12:05 am

LT is the greatest Linebacker of all time no one has ever played defense like that mad man did.Lavar has some of his talents but he is not utilized in the same way.LT was almost purely a passrushing Lb I beleive If Lavar was used in the same way we could yeild beautiful results

welch · Post by **welch** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 12:32 am

Belichick designed the entire defense around LT. Should GW do the same for Arrington? Wat would happen? Are you willing to trade a top-4 defense for the thrill of freewheeling Arrington?

Second, LT had his weaknesses. He could not cover a receiver. He had problems even in his first years whenever the Redskins ran right down int his face. The Skins had a left tackle then named Joe Jacoby, who would flatten LT on a run in narow spaces. On the other hand, LT could run arpound Joe on passes.

When the Redskins got Jim Lachey, LT never got an unassisted sack over him. Belichick and Parcells got so desperate that they took to hiding LT, to using him as a delayed rusher as far away from Lachey as possible.

People might not remember it, but Lachey had very quick feet and great balance. He was always able to stay between LT and Rypien, and he was so much stronger that he could knock LT down when LT got frustrated and rushed straight at Rypien.

Would Belichick and Parcells build a defense around Arrington?

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 1:13 am

welch wrote:People might not remember it, but Lachey had very quick feet and great balance. He was always able to stay between LT and Rypien, and he was so much stronger that he could knock LT down when LT got frustrated and rushed straight at Rypien.

Would Belichick and Parcells build a defense around Arrington?

First of all, as talented as Arrington is, he's not Lawrence Taylor. Period.

Second of all, as well as the Redskins "handled" Taylor, the Giants owned the Redskins. I believe they won nine of the last eleven meetings before Gibbs retired (including an NFC Championship game).

Would Parcells design his defense around LaVar? Probably. Parcells loves big linebackers like Arrington and would undoubtedly turn him loose.

Maybe Arrington doesn't fit into this defense, but teams have won Super Bowls featuring linebackers much like him.

roybus14 · Post by **roybus14** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 1:45 am

That's the whole point..... When Lavar was used that way by Marvin Lewis, he had his best season as a pro.

I say use him that way. The DEs that are starting aren't getting it done. Besides if GWs "scheme" makes even an average LB look good, then start Lavar at DE and let those LBs do their thing.....

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 3:11 am

welch wrote:Belichick designed the entire defense around LT. Should GW do the same for Arrington? Wat would happen? Are you willing to trade a top-4 defense for the thrill of freewheeling Arrington?

Second, LT had his weaknesses. He could not cover a receiver. He had problems even in his first years whenever the Redskins ran right down int his face. The Skins had a left tackle then named Joe Jacoby, who would flatten LT on a run in narow spaces. On the other hand, LT could run arpound Joe on passes.

When the Redskins got Jim Lachey, LT never got an unassisted sack over him. Belichick and Parcells got so desperate that they took to hiding LT, to using him as a delayed rusher as far away from Lachey as possible.

People might not remember it, but Lachey had very quick feet and great balance. He was always able to stay between LT and Rypien, and he was so much stronger that he could knock LT down when LT got frustrated and rushed straight at Rypien.

Would Belichick and Parcells build a defense around Arrington?

Well Belicheck and Parcells won two SuperBowls with that same scheme. Look all Im saying is that Lavar is something special how can we just waste him on the sideline. There are eleven men on the field you cant tell me that theres no room for a guy with his talent on it. Hes been a true redskin and for some new guy to come in and just sweep him to the side is wrong.Hes been loyal and has stuck with the skins through all the tough times and now that things are starting to go good were just gonna ship him off.We could easily place him in there we could run a 44 a 46 ,34,5-2,even nickel he could be the nickel linebacker I just dont understand why hes being left out. Its very frustating.

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