Lavar Arrinton.... Merged

skins81 · Post by **skins81** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:31 pm

roybus14 wrote:Lavar and the coaches are doing a "riverdance"

I would pay money for that. Who would be Lord of the Dance?

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:50 pm

I have to question why the Org is paying Lavar so much just to be a system player when he is a playmaker?

Why didnt we pay Antionio Peirce big money for the system player role obviously we paid Lavar to play get him on the field.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:15 pm

redskincity wrote:I have to question why the Org is paying Lavar so much just to be a system player when he is a playmaker?

Lavar signed his contract before :cry:

there was a system in Washington

ICEMAN · Post by **ICEMAN** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:16 pm

Joe Gibbs is simply not going to put up with a guy who thinks he's the team. Not the so-called "face of the team" but the team. I don't care how many pro-bowls he's been to.

He will no longer be able to get by on his reputation, he' going to have to produce like everybody else. I think what JG is doing in this case is absolutely correct. It probably should have been done before now. Marvin Lewis probably wanted to do it but he didn't want to get into a dog fight with the "Face of the team" What a joke, I can think of several players on this team more worthy of the title who are team players, and not all about themselves. If I were the owner I would be mad as hell at a player who talked about the team, and accused the team of the things this guy has. On top of that he said in one of his interviews, "He didn"t give a damm about what anyone else thought about him" hence I can't understand all the so-called sympathy for poor little pitiful LaVar. So while he was signing all the Autographs (smiling) telling you how great you are (so you'll buy his Jersy) the REAL LaVar says he dosen't give a damm what you think.

How about some love for that attitude. Maybe he told JG and GW the same thing.

ICEMAN · Post by **ICEMAN** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:17 pm

Dude what are you talking about??!!?? What has LaVar done to you????

MyrtleBeachRedskin · Post by **MyrtleBeachRedskin** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:21 pm

i argued this point b4 the season started on this website. That lavar was not the man everyone thought he was. just wanted to say i told you so to everyone that wanted to argue how he was such a wonderful linebacker.

the guy is an athletic scrub. he was a malcontent when he was at penn state and he is causing problems now with a team that actually for once in 12 years has a chance to be good. excuse grammatical errors im at work and boss is around. lol

ICEMAN · Post by **ICEMAN** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:22 pm

You will be the main one cheering for LaVar when he makes one of those fantastic plays that he always makes...You sell-out!!!

SkinsHead56 · Post by **SkinsHead56** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:25 pm

ICEMAN wrote:You will be the main one cheering for LaVar when he makes one of those fantastic plays that he always makes...You sell-out!!!

It's pretty difficult to make plays fron the bench.

Honestly, I hope LaVar can get this thing worked out. It doesen't seem like he wants to though.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:25 pm

ICEMAN wrote:You will be the main one cheering for LaVar when he makes one of those fantastic plays that he always makes...You sell-out!!!

Who is this directed to?

I just want to know whose being called names.(which happens to be a no-no)

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:32 pm

1niksder wrote:
redskincity wrote:I have to question why the Org is paying Lavar so much just to be a system player when he is a playmaker?

Lavar signed his contract before there was a system in Washington

That explained it all

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:51 pm

ICEMAN wrote:Joe Gibbs is simply not going to put up with a guy who thinks he's the team. Not the so-called "face of the team" but the team. I don't care how many pro-bowls he's been to.

He will no longer be able to get by on his reputation, he' going to have to produce like everybody else. I think what JG is doing in this case is absolutely correct. It probably should have been done before now. Marvin Lewis probably wanted to do it but he didn't want to get into a dog fight with the "Face of the team" What a joke, I can think of several players on this team more worthy of the title who are team players, and not all about themselves.

Arrington had his best season under Marvin Lewis (92 tackles, 11 sacks). That defense, while not as good as last season's, was very good (5th in the NFL).

I love Gregg Williams as much as the next guy, but he is not head-and-shoulders better than Marvin Lewis. Arrington bitched and moaned back then too, but Marvin Lewis stuck him in at defensive end and LaVar led the team in sacks. Why is it that one great defensive coordinator can find a way to make Lavar Arrington very effective, but another great defensive coordinator can't even find a way to get him on the field?

One more thing to remember: Arrington has definetly played under some soft coaches (Turner, Spurrier), but he also played under Schottenheimer, who is not only defensive oriented but also real old-school. Arrington recorded 99 tackles in 2001.

roybus14 · Post by **roybus14** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 6:04 pm

skins81 wrote:
roybus14 wrote:Lavar and the coaches are doing a "riverdance"

I would pay money for that. Who would be Lord of the Dance?

Gregg Williams........

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:09 pm

Steve Spurrier III wrote:
ICEMAN wrote:Joe Gibbs is simply not going to put up with a guy who thinks he's the team. Not the so-called "face of the team" but the team. I don't care how many pro-bowls he's been to.

He will no longer be able to get by on his reputation, he' going to have to produce like everybody else. I think what JG is doing in this case is absolutely correct. It probably should have been done before now. Marvin Lewis probably wanted to do it but he didn't want to get into a dog fight with the "Face of the team" What a joke, I can think of several players on this team more worthy of the title who are team players, and not all about themselves.

Arrington had his best season under Marvin Lewis (92 tackles, 11 sacks). That defense, while not as good as last season's, was very good (5th in the NFL).

I love Gregg Williams as much as the next guy, but he is not head-and-shoulders better than Marvin Lewis. Arrington bitched and moaned back then too, but Marvin Lewis stuck him in at defensive end and LaVar led the team in sacks. Why is it that one great defensive coordinator can find a way to make Lavar Arrington very effective, but another great defensive coordinator can't even find a way to get him on the field?

One more thing to remember: Arrington has definetly played under some soft coaches (Turner, Spurrier), but he also played under Schottenheimer, who is not only defensive oriented but also real old-school. Arrington recorded 99 tackles in 2001.

**and the crickets chirp**

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:38 pm

Steve Spurrier III wrote:Why is it that one great defensive coordinator can find a way to make Lavar Arrington very effective, but another great defensive coordinator can't even find a way to get him on the field?

Its important to note that Greg had the superior defense even without Lavar. :twisted:

Scottskins · Post by **Scottskins** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:02 pm

what does going to the probowl have to do with anything? that's a popularity contest, not a appraisal of actual skill....

Lavar MAY have stopped one or both of Tatums long runs, but I bet you he would have got burned a few times in other spots. As buges said, 1 great play doesn't make up for 4 or 5 crap plays.

Scottskins · Post by **Scottskins** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:18 pm

Steve Spurrier III wrote:
SkinsHead56 wrote:The Skins are winning, the D is ranked in the top 5, we are a top the NFC East and looking for a playoff spot.

The rush defense is ranked 15th. Last season we were ranked 2nd.

There is room for improvment.

Last season we had healthy corners. Against Denver, both our starters were out and those two long runs are the only reason we dropped to 15th. Those two long runs happened because GW had to play a defense that protected the DBs from getting exposed. It worked to almost perfection. The problem is that on those long runs, there was no backup to stop the RB if he got by the line. It was a system malfunction caused by injuries, not a validation of Lavars importance to the defense.

We would probably be in the top 5 if not for those runs.

Scottskins · Post by **Scottskins** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:23 pm

Steve Spurrier III wrote:
ICEMAN wrote:Joe Gibbs is simply not going to put up with a guy who thinks he's the team. Not the so-called "face of the team" but the team. I don't care how many pro-bowls he's been to.

He will no longer be able to get by on his reputation, he' going to have to produce like everybody else. I think what JG is doing in this case is absolutely correct. It probably should have been done before now. Marvin Lewis probably wanted to do it but he didn't want to get into a dog fight with the "Face of the team" What a joke, I can think of several players on this team more worthy of the title who are team players, and not all about themselves.

Arrington had his best season under Marvin Lewis (92 tackles, 11 sacks). That defense, while not as good as last season's, was very good (5th in the NFL).

I love Gregg Williams as much as the next guy, but he is not head-and-shoulders better than Marvin Lewis. Arrington bitched and moaned back then too, but Marvin Lewis stuck him in at defensive end and LaVar led the team in sacks. Why is it that one great defensive coordinator can find a way to make Lavar Arrington very effective, but another great defensive coordinator can't even find a way to get him on the field?

One more thing to remember: Arrington has definetly played under some soft coaches (Turner, Spurrier), but he also played under Schottenheimer, who is not only defensive oriented but also real old-school. Arrington recorded 99 tackles in 2001.

Marvin Lewis has talked about how he hated Lavar being undisciplined. Marvin Lewis couldn't take on Lavar. Lavar was the team back then. Joe Gibbs has no such reservations. Joe could bench Brunell tomorrow and Snyder wouldn't say a word. Joe has final say on everything. Lavar had good stats under Lewis. How many blown assignments did he have? Oh, that's right, they don't keep those stats. I remember there being many times when Lavar was obviously out of position. How many times wasn't it obvious? Gibbs and company have watched all of that old film. They got the real dirt on Lavar. They want to mold him and he's fighting it. As long as he does, he has no place on the field for us.

AZHog · Post by **AZHog** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:53 pm

Steve Spurrier III wrote:I love Gregg Williams as much as the next guy, but he is not head-and-shoulders better than Marvin Lewis.

That's right -- GW isn't just head and shoulders better, he's totally better than ML. GW is the best at his profession. The defense he built in Buffalo is STILL a powerhouse and he's completely transformed the Redskins D. Comparing ML and GW is like comparing apples and skyscrapers.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:04 pm

AZHog wrote:
Steve Spurrier III wrote:I love Gregg Williams as much as the next guy, but he is not head-and-shoulders better than Marvin Lewis.

That's right -- GW isn't just head and shoulders better, he's totally better than ML. GW is the best at his profession. The defense he built in Buffalo is STILL a powerhouse and he's completely transformed the Redskins D. Comparing ML and GW is like comparing apples and skyscrapers.

Of course, Marvin Lewis did construct the Baltimore defense that many argue is one of the (if not the) best defenses in the history of the NFL. So good, in fact, that in a season where the offense set the record for consecutive quarters of football played without a touchdown, they still won the Superbowl. A defensive player was named MVP.

No offense to Williams, he'll have rings on his fingers soon enough, but don't discredit Marvin Lewis.

. . .if you're still not convinced, look at what he's done with Cincy. . .not only are they slowly but surely turning into winners, but right now their defense isn't bad in yards allowed (the standard in deciding who's ranked where), and they are 3rd in points allowed per game.

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:13 pm

FanfromAnnapolis wrote:Of course, Marvin Lewis did construct the Baltimore defense that many argue is one of the (if not the) best defenses in the history of the NFL. So good, in fact, that in a season where the offense set the record for consecutive quarters of football played without a touchdown, they still won the Superbowl. A defensive player was named MVP.

Wasn't GW's tenn defense actually higher ranked that year?

welch · Post by **welch** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:16 pm

Is there anything left to be said about this topic?

skinsfano28 · Post by **skinsfano28** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:21 pm

this is in response to the statement that it doesnt seem like he wants to work it out. lavar said on 980 he doesnt know what the coaches want. he's tried to practice, but if htey dont let him do it then what's he supposed to do about it. i think this goes past what we're hearing on the news and whatnot, and i dont think its a problem with just lavar not wanting to sort things out, i think both sides are being stubborn. i also think that greg williams made a gaffe by saying lavar has to perform in practice AND in games...how can he perform in games when he's on the bench the whole time? i say we play the guy against the chiefs and that run game. let him be a free lancer. he's not too dumb, as he said the coaches think, to play in this defense. we all remember the old lavar, the one who ended troy aikman's career, the one who delivered punishing hits, the one who CHANGED games, and most importantly, the one who RUSHED THE FREAKING PASSER. if we give trent green the kind of time we have been giving qbs, he will find a way to beat us, plain and simple. Champ said it best (i hate agreeing with him, but its true) when he said that "i dont undertand this. why isn't he playin, you tell me. when iw as there, we NEEDED 56 on the field, that man changes games". both sides need to drop the egos and just get over it, and put him on the field. Let him earn his stripes again by making plays, not by sitting on the bench. crucify me if you want, but that's how i feel.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:22 pm

welch wrote:Is there anything left to be said about this topic?

nope
Nada
NO

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:24 pm

welch wrote:Is there anything left to be said about this topic?

Actually welch, I was liking the culture part with the Riverdance troupe and kept coming back to see if anyone was going to develop this further!!! :roll:

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:37 pm

Scottskins wrote:Marvin Lewis has talked about how he hated Lavar being undisciplined. Marvin Lewis couldn't take on Lavar. Lavar was the team back then.

Marvin Lewis signed a one-year contract and everyone knew he was going to become a head coach the next season. Spurrier let him run the defense by himself.

Lewis could easily have "taken on LaVar". Washington was just a pit stop for Lewis on his trip to becoming an NFL head coach. What did he have to lose?

I have no doubt Arrington was a pain in the butt, but Lewis played LaVar because he found a way to make him productive (which included putting him at defensive end), not because he didn't have the juice to challenge his star player.