My thoughts.

[SkinFan 0-16 or 16-0]

We have the heart of a champion. Every single game come out there with passion. If not for a few mistakes we're 4-0.

We are always around, and I have not seen this team quit yet.

We may have lost but I'm proud of this team and I'm proud to call myself a fan of the Washington Redskins.


I am about to say something I thought I would never say, but I put this loss on the Defense.

For any other team that performance is mediocre to solid. But we are better than that. Missed tackles. Letting Tatum Bell get loose for that type of yardage. No sacks over 6 yards per rush.


Something needs to be changed. And I have been quiet about it because we have been winning but I think it's time for Everyone to swollow they're pride, and I think it's time that # 56 got into the lineup.

Our offense is good enough for us to get a lot of wins this year. A 94 yard drive to almost tie the game. Brunell made plays dispite the whether. Portis did his thing as usual. ey Stepped up. Patten finally got into the mix. Moss continues to be amazing.


To summarize it was a painful loss. But we showed that we can play with anyone in the league.

In years past I might have blamed this on bad calls (there were a lot espescially the tuck rule) because we needed every call we could get to win games. Now I realize that we are good enought to take a game out of the ref's hands.

But that's over now. We've got a big game coming up in KC. We can't lay down and sulk for too long we need to get a W here so we need to get focused.

Let's go we can do this. We just have to believe.

I see a playoff team in the Burgandy and Gold. But there only going as far as we believe we can go.

[BigPig]

If the game wsa lost by the defense, than I am OK. This unit has kept us in games when the offense struggled for a season, and the first three games.

They are owed a bad game after that IMO!

[edgardiner]

Up to this point I have felt that we could win 9 maybe 10 games, but now (after a lost to DEN) I think this is a team to go into the playoffs. DEN didn't beat us we beat ourselves. Since Joe Gibbs
has been here this teem plays 60 mins every week.
As a long time fan this makes the kind of statment our team should make. Hail to the Redskins.

[Scottskins]

I disagree. We missed those tackles and let Tatum get long runs because the field was extremely slippery. It wasn't because of who was on the field. I want Lavar back on the field too, but he has to play his assignments and quit looking like such a baby on the sidelines.

We were trying to go 4-0 and he's sitting there looking like he's about to cry?! Man that really pissed me off. That's why Lavar is in this predicament in the first place. It's all about Lavar. Get off your butt and cheer you friggin teammates on to victory. Then work your butt off in practice, do what your told, and take your starting job back! I thought winning with the team you started with was the most important thing to you? Well, I got news for you Lavar, NOW is the time. This team is finally turning the corner. Get your act together and quit crying about how nobody loves you and about how you'll be playing somewhere else. Be a man for once in your life. It's time to grow up. These coaches can turn you into the next LT. Let them by doing everything they ask...

end rant...

[aswas71788]

I fail to understand how you can place the blame for this loss on the defense. Yes, there were missed tackles on Bell but the offense fumbled the ball, the offense let the field goal get blocked, the offense was at fault for the penalty that moved them back out of field goal range, the offense failed to score for all of the possession time, the offense penalty called back Portis's long run and no, the last tipped ball was not the offenses fault, just a great play on the Denver defense.

Somehow the offense side of this team needs to find a way to contribute more than just a token presence.

If not for the defense, the Redskins would be 0 - 4 based on the number fo points scored.

[RayNAustin]

amen to that! 21 points is not a defensive colapse. A couple of busted runs...otherwise a firm shutdown...92 yards passing!! They got 165 yards rushing but 90 of it was on those two plays.

There is no such thing as a "good loss" but if there were, this is as close as you'll get.

I don't often say this, but this time Denver got hugely lucky. There is no way they win this game without:

Two busted plays for long TD runs

That tip that stoped the two point conversion (Lucky)

Horrendous officiating - the fumble in the end zone was a fumble...everybody knew it, Redskins knew it, the Broncos knew it, and the official on the field knew it. The Patten TD was a TD plain and simple, and that big run by Portis that was called back, that was bogus as well.

I've never heard Gibbs as vocal about the bad officiating ever. He's usually very diplomatic, but actually said it was the worst officiated game he can remember.

Bottom line....this not only should have been a win....but it could have easily been a Redskin blowout to the tune of 35 7

So no need for finger pointing...almost any of these things would have made the difference, especially the Patten TD, and the safety.

[skinsfan#33]

If the game wsa lost by the defense, than I am OK. This unit has kept us in games when the offense struggled for a season, and the first three games.

They are owed a bad game after that IMO!

I agree with you but abiut the Deffense being rock solid but they did play 4 very bad quarter in a row. The last two of the Chawks and the first two of the Broncos.

The injuries at connor scare me. That is the one area that we couldn't stand to take a loss and we lost both of our starters. I hope they get healthy soon!

[ICEMAN]

OKAY...okay, okay now we can talk! I did not want to play the Devil's Advocate, but first of all, WHY ISN"T OUR BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER, PLAYING!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAhhhhhh this is killing me!!!!LaVar Arrington should not only be playing, but he should be starting!!! Put Holdman on 4 linebacker packages. And why on earth is Ade Jimoh playing anywhere on the field but special teams...he gets burned more times than the patients at the STD Clinic. I am remotely questioning some of Greg Williams' decisions as of lately. I believe he is getting the big head to think that he has great defenses with no-name players...But guess what...YOU NEED YOUR PLAYMAKERS!!!!

[1niksder]

OKAY...okay, okay now we can talk! I did not want to play the Devil's Advocate, but first of all, WHY ISN"T OUR BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER, PLAYING!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAhhhhhh this is killing me!!!!LaVar Arrington should not only be playing, but he should be starting!!!

He missed most of last year and all of camp. That cost him his job. GW makes you earn your playing time. He was out a long time. I believe that we'll see him on the field in time.

Put Holdman on 4 linebacker packages.

With Lavar is burried on the depth chart he still wouldn't be on the field

And why on earth is Ade Jimoh playing anywhere on the field but special teams...he gets burned more times than the patients at the STD Clinic.

With both starters down Jimoh stepped up yesterday. I can't understand why we don't have another CB on the roster.

I am remotely questioning some of Greg Williams' decisions as of lately. I believe he is getting the big head to think that he has great defenses with no-name players...But guess what...YOU NEED YOUR PLAYMAKERS!!!!

Greg Williams has been doing this everywhere he goes. His time as a head coach pretty much wipe out any chace of him getting the "big head". The playmakers make plays not talk about the plays they MADE.

[AZHog]

OKAY...okay, okay now we can talk! I did not want to play the Devil's Advocate, but first of all, WHY ISN"T OUR BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER, PLAYING!!!!!!!!!!

Who says he's our best defensive player? If he really was, do you think the coaches would have him on the bench?

Everyone questioned Gibbs when he put in Brunell and look how that's turning out. We're not seeing the whole picture, that's for sure.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Im really getting irritated with all these complaints lately. My goodness, we have one heck of a team thats 3-1 and all people do is complain.

Our defense has been ravaged by injuries still kept us in the game and people still complain.

Our offense and special teams lost the game for us but all I see is complaints about the defense.

Answer this, when has our defense ever won a game for us? I can't think of one. I can't think of one game where our defense consistently turned the ball over and scored points for us. Last year our defense had 1 or 2 td's. They never scored for us they kept us in the games. As far as I can tell our defense has still done this even in the wake of losing its star players.

[1niksder]

Im really getting irritated with all these complaints lately. My goodness, we have one heck of a team thats 3-1 and all people do is complain.

I thought for sure it would be gone after this loss, considering the fever pitch that followed every win.

Our defense has been ravaged by injuries still kept us in the game and people still complain.

A lot of people are forgetting this. I keep seeing post about "The cornerback that puts fear in our hearts everytime he steps on the field" (he actually did pretty good against Denver). What do you do when you are down to your last corner and you need a corner?

Our offense and special teams lost the game for us but all I see is complaints about the defense.

That's just as bad as saying the defense lost that game. I don't know what you've been watching but the Redskins are a TEAM and that's who lost the game.

Answer this, when has our defense ever won a game for us? I can't think of one. I can't think of one game where our defense consistently turned the ball over and scored points for us. Last year our defense had 1 or 2 td's. They never scored for us they kept us in the games. As far as I can tell our defense has still done this even in the wake of losing its star players.

They step up to the plate. Even when they were the only ones doing it. They have always been there and they've been there as a unit. That has spead team-wide during the off-season. That's why they never give up.

Novak kicked a FG at the end of the half that was called backed because of a brainfart. Gibbs then opted for a Hail Mary. Had Hall been healthy, does Gibbs try the FG 5 yards further back instead of the HM?

[die cowboys die]

Letting Tatum Bell get loose for that type of yardage. No sacks over 6 yards per rush.

wrong, completely incorrect. as has been established here, that the 2nd long run was not in fact a touchdown- an illegal block in the back that was the only reason marcus washington was unable to make the tackle. they were not going to and DID not give up another long run like that after that 1st TD. so we need to reconfigure Bell's absurdly tainted statistics.
i'm going to go ahead and say he would've picked up 5 on that carry, to be extremely generous.

so we have 127 minus the bogus 55 yard run, plus the 5 he actually would've gotten.

BELL'S ACTUAL STATISTICS:

12 carries, 77 yards, 1 TD (6.42 average, due to the one long run and the small amount of carries)

which means...

DENVER'S ACTUAL RUSHING STATISTICS:

28 rushes, 115 yards, 1 TD (4.1 yards per attempt)

pretty lousy, huh??

i'll say it again: we stomped the broncos into the ground. we made them look pathetic. i don't want to hear any more about bell, the guy who got ONE good run against us, and had his ass handed to him every other time he touched the football.

[skinsfan#33]

Novak kicked a FG at the end of the half that was called backed because of a brainfart. Gibbs then opted for a Hail Mary. Had Hall been healthy, does Gibbs try the FG 5 yards further back instead of the HM?

Frankly, I don't think Hall can make a 53 yarder, let alone a 58 yarder. Every kick that Novak hasn't had blocked has been right on target. He and his blockers need to fix the blocked feild goal issues, but if the ball gets over the line it is good! Of all of the kicker in the league that have been around long enough to establish a credible feild goal percentage, Hall's is near the bottom of the list.

[The Hogster]

We need to focus on Kansas City because 4-1 will feel alot better than 3-2. After that we get to come home to the best stadium in the NFL. We won some tough games, but when you play those type of games you will drop a few. Ian Gold came up with a big tip.

Let's see if we can go into Arrowhead and shutdown the Chiefs.

[roybus14]

I disagree. We missed those tackles and let Tatum get long runs because the field was extremely slippery. It wasn't because of who was on the field. I want Lavar back on the field too, but he has to play his assignments and quit looking like such a baby on the sidelines.

We were trying to go 4-0 and he's sitting there looking like he's about to cry?! Man that really pissed me off. That's why Lavar is in this predicament in the first place. It's all about Lavar. Get off your butt and cheer you friggin teammates on to victory. Then work your butt off in practice, do what your told, and take your starting job back! I thought winning with the team you started with was the most important thing to you? Well, I got news for you Lavar, NOW is the time. This team is finally turning the corner. Get your act together and quit crying about how nobody loves you and about how you'll be playing somewhere else. Be a man for once in your life. It's time to grow up. These coaches can turn you into the next LT. Let them by doing everything they ask...

end rant...

I agree that the field was slippery and anyone with sense in their skulls knows that on the slippery fields, the advantage goes to the offense.

However, I totally disagree with you parts of your Lavar rant. Here's why:

Lavar Arrington is not a LB. I've said this time and time again that he is not Ray Lewis, he's not Brian Urlacher, he's not Zach Thomas, he's not Dat Nguyen. He's a pass rusher, point blank. He always has been and always will be. It's like no one scouting him at Penn State figured that out. If you look at all of his highlights at Penn State and his big plays with us, they were of him in the backfield making plays, either sacking the QB, stuffing the run or making a pick in the backfield. Hey, GW and Gibbs apparently are alot smarter about football then me but you mean to tell me that you can't find a way to use this guy.

About him sulking on the sideline, I don't know about that because unless I am live at the game and can see his every move, I would be reluctant to believe what one or two camera shots of the sideline say. Also, we don't know exactly what is going on between him and the coaching staff to really say that he should or shouldn't be cheerleading on the sideline.

Let me ask this: How would you feel if you were the star sales producer for your company for the past three years and you get a new boss who brings in new sales associates and instructs them to do sales differently and you were cast aside to a point where you are getting excluded from important meetings and not given the top sales leads? You'd probably quit your job and go to another company instead of sticking around showing your new boss and associates support, right? Well, unfortunately, Lavar does not have the option to easily go to another team.

Right now, it appears to be a situation to make him look bad on the part of the Skins Organization. Humiliation. He's not even getting snaps in practice to "play is butt off." The coaches are running out of excuses as to why he is not playing. First it was the packages, then it's what Denver was doing, and now the guy isn't even playing on special teams. If the guy is not hurt and there is concern about working him back in, then put him on special teams to get him worked up. Also, from a business standpoint, how long are we going to continue to pay all of this money for a guy that ain't playing? Plus, why are we taking up a roster spot when we need Cornerbacks? If money is not an issue, then deactivate the guy, fill his spot with a corner, and move on.

I think that the defense is very good and they have proved that but I think that they can be "great" if they find a way to use Lavar to create turnover opportunities. If they don't find a way to play Lavar on defense it's not the end of the world. We will be okay. I just hope that when he is let go, that he goes to the AFC because he could come back to haunt us with another NFC team. Especially a NFC East team....

[HailSkins94]

We have the heart of a champion. Every single game come out there with passion. If not for a few mistakes we're 4-0.

We are always around, and I have not seen this team quit yet.

We may have lost but I'm proud of this team and I'm proud to call myself a fan of the Washington Redskins.


I am about to say something I thought I would never say, but I put this loss on the Defense.

For any other team that performance is mediocre to solid. But we are better than that. Missed tackles. Letting Tatum Bell get loose for that type of yardage. No sacks over 6 yards per rush.


Something needs to be changed. And I have been quiet about it because we have been winning but I think it's time for Everyone to swollow they're pride, and I think it's time that # 56 got into the lineup.

Our offense is good enough for us to get a lot of wins this year. A 94 yard drive to almost tie the game. Brunell made plays dispite the whether. Portis did his thing as usual. ey Stepped up. Patten finally got into the mix. Moss continues to be amazing.


To summarize it was a painful loss. But we showed that we can play with anyone in the league.

In years past I might have blamed this on bad calls (there were a lot espescially the tuck rule) because we needed every call we could get to win games. Now I realize that we are good enought to take a game out of the ref's hands.

But that's over now. We've got a big game coming up in KC. We can't lay down and sulk for too long we need to get a W here so we need to get focused.

Let's go we can do this. We just have to believe.

I see a playoff team in the Burgandy and Gold. But there only going as far as we believe we can go.

I'll drink to that!!!!!

[Uaintready]

How about that D, even though we allowed two long runs I think with the personel we have we did a great job. You have a rookie corner on one side, and then you have Jimoh on the other who is okay when it comes to run support, but if you match him up with anybody he's toast. I think that Marcus Washington is getting alot of respect, and by that I mean he is getting double teamed and teams are running away from him. GW needs to use Sean Taylor more in run support against KC, and match him up against Tony Gonzalez. He needs to be put in more of a positon to make plays bottom line.

We have the heart of a champion. Every single game come out there with passion. If not for a few mistakes we're 4-0.

We are always around, and I have not seen this team quit yet.

We may have lost but I'm proud of this team and I'm proud to call myself a fan of the Washington Redskins.


I am about to say something I thought I would never say, but I put this loss on the Defense.

For any other team that performance is mediocre to solid. But we are better than that. Missed tackles. Letting Tatum Bell get loose for that type of yardage. No sacks over 6 yards per rush.


Something needs to be changed. And I have been quiet about it because we have been winning but I think it's time for Everyone to swollow they're pride, and I think it's time that # 56 got into the lineup.

Our offense is good enough for us to get a lot of wins this year. A 94 yard drive to almost tie the game. Brunell made plays dispite the whether. Portis did his thing as usual. ey Stepped up. Patten finally got into the mix. Moss continues to be amazing.


To summarize it was a painful loss. But we showed that we can play with anyone in the league.

In years past I might have blamed this on bad calls (there were a lot espescially the tuck rule) because we needed every call we could get to win games. Now I realize that we are good enought to take a game out of the ref's hands.

But that's over now. We've got a big game coming up in KC. We can't lay down and sulk for too long we need to get a W here so we need to get focused.

Let's go we can do this. We just have to believe.

I see a playoff team in the Burgandy and Gold. But there only going as far as we believe we can go.

[Uaintready]

I disagree with the whole situation, first off if they are going to trade him away they need to play him becasue he looks more valuable playing and making plays, then sitting on the bench. Cause another team wont be willing enough to give as much to somebody who didnt play. Second of all I have never seen somebody benched after fighting to get a new contract over the summer just to get him to play. GW is being realistic he know he needs him out there, no matter how mad he is at him, sooner or later management will step in and be like whats up, we didnt pay him to sit. Look at the eagles situation TO made a fuss all summer long, and Coach Reid could have benched him to show he dosent run the show, but that would hinder the team, and he wouldnt do that. Right now the only people are hurting is the whole team.

I disagree. We missed those tackles and let Tatum get long runs because the field was extremely slippery. It wasn't because of who was on the field. I want Lavar back on the field too, but he has to play his assignments and quit looking like such a baby on the sidelines.

We were trying to go 4-0 and he's sitting there looking like he's about to cry?! Man that really pissed me off. That's why Lavar is in this predicament in the first place. It's all about Lavar. Get off your butt and cheer you friggin teammates on to victory. Then work your butt off in practice, do what your told, and take your starting job back! I thought winning with the team you started with was the most important thing to you? Well, I got news for you Lavar, NOW is the time. This team is finally turning the corner. Get your act together and quit crying about how nobody loves you and about how you'll be playing somewhere else. Be a man for once in your life. It's time to grow up. These coaches can turn you into the next LT. Let them by doing everything they ask...

end rant...

I agree that the field was slippery and anyone with sense in their skulls knows that on the slippery fields, the advantage goes to the offense.

However, I totally disagree with you parts of your Lavar rant. Here's why:

Lavar Arrington is not a LB. I've said this time and time again that he is not Ray Lewis, he's not Brian Urlacher, he's not Zach Thomas, he's not Dat Nguyen. He's a pass rusher, point blank. He always has been and always will be. It's like no one scouting him at Penn State figured that out. If you look at all of his highlights at Penn State and his big plays with us, they were of him in the backfield making plays, either sacking the QB, stuffing the run or making a pick in the backfield. Hey, GW and Gibbs apparently are alot smarter about football then me but you mean to tell me that you can't find a way to use this guy.

About him sulking on the sideline, I don't know about that because unless I am live at the game and can see his every move, I would be reluctant to believe what one or two camera shots of the sideline say. Also, we don't know exactly what is going on between him and the coaching staff to really say that he should or shouldn't be cheerleading on the sideline.

Let me ask this: How would you feel if you were the star sales producer for your company for the past three years and you get a new boss who brings in new sales associates and instructs them to do sales differently and you were cast aside to a point where you are getting excluded from important meetings and not given the top sales leads? You'd probably quit your job and go to another company instead of sticking around showing your new boss and associates support, right? Well, unfortunately, Lavar does not have the option to easily go to another team.

Right now, it appears to be a situation to make him look bad on the part of the Skins Organization. Humiliation. He's not even getting snaps in practice to "play is butt off." The coaches are running out of excuses as to why he is not playing. First it was the packages, then it's what Denver was doing, and now the guy isn't even playing on special teams. If the guy is not hurt and there is concern about working him back in, then put him on special teams to get him worked up. Also, from a business standpoint, how long are we going to continue to pay all of this money for a guy that ain't playing? Plus, why are we taking up a roster spot when we need Cornerbacks? If money is not an issue, then deactivate the guy, fill his spot with a corner, and move on.

I think that the defense is very good and they have proved that but I think that they can be "great" if they find a way to use Lavar to create turnover opportunities. If they don't find a way to play Lavar on defense it's not the end of the world. We will be okay. I just hope that when he is let go, that he goes to the AFC because he could come back to haunt us with another NFC team. Especially a NFC East team....

[Uaintready]

This is a big game no matter what anybody says, this game shows how the redskins can face a game after a big loss. We also need to focus on getting Clinton in the endzone, he is to valuable to be just blocking down in the redzone. Bottom line is a win against KC, will give up a big boost when we go home against a weak 49ers team.

We need to focus on Kansas City because 4-1 will feel alot better than 3-2. After that we get to come home to the best stadium in the NFL. We won some tough games, but when you play those type of games you will drop a few. Ian Gold came up with a big tip.

Let's see if we can go into Arrowhead and shutdown the Chiefs.

[Deadskins]

I am about to say something I thought I would never say, but I put this loss on the Defense.

For any other team that performance is mediocre to solid. But we are better than that. Missed tackles. Letting Tatum Bell get loose for that type of yardage. No sacks over 6 yards per rush.

I agree with everything else you said, but this. The two runs totalled 89 yards. That is why the average is over six yards per carry. But, both those runs were sprung by a hold, or an illegal block. No sacks, which is a huge problem, but this defense played well enough to win. They just weren't allowed to.

[gibbsfan]

overall i,m very pleased with the progress of this team thus far this season. at 21-10 they responded with urgency and i loved that part of it. they went down fighting,thats always encouraging.