Legalization

NikiH · Post by **NikiH** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:45 pm

I do not really know where I stand on this issue. But JSP mentioned in another thread that there had never been an overdose recorded from marijuana so I decided to look it up. In my search I found a very interesting page. It debunks a lot of myths that I believed about the drug.

http://www.drugtext.org/sub/marmyt1.html

I was just wondering what everyone thought about this subject? To me it's apparent that marijuana is not on the same level as any other illegal drug. Other drugs are much more addictive in nature. I've even seen a bit of research that says pain pills have a more addictive nature. I guess I'm still debating this in my mind because I have a child. Part of me fears legalization would put this in the hand of minors. Which of course leads to over use. We all know as teenagers we never listened to our parents and over indulged in things we were not supposed to be near. So that is a fear I have. Although legalization would mean some sort of standard would be set and you wouldn't have to worry that it was laced with something harder. Ugh I'm so confused. Anyone have an opinion on this?

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:59 pm

I think that legalization has more pro's than con's.

From an economic standpoint, pot would be taxed heavily, and the money would go into the economy rather than illegally to some Columbian drug lord.

Also, as you mentioned, pot would be regulated and therefore held to a much safer standard than hoping the local dealer isn't lacing your stash with PCP to get you hooked.

It also would give hard drug users a legal alternative, and in the long run would likely make our streets safer and ilicit drug use decrease.

Finally, I think that while no vice is completely safe to use, pot is safer than the current legal vices in smoking and drinking.

SkinsFanInHawai'i · Post by **SkinsFanInHawai'i** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:40 pm

I always thought it was much easier to get pot than beer when I was under 21.
If it is legal it will be just like cigarettes. Kids standing outside a gas station asking people to buy them a pack of joints.

NikiH · Post by **NikiH** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:42 pm

SkinsFanInHawai'i wrote:I always thought it was much easier to get pot than beer when I was under 21.
If it is legal it will be just like cigarettes. Kids standing outside a gas station asking people to buy them a pack of joints.

Actually it's much more accessable to those under age now. I've never known a dealer who checked ID's. At least there'd be some precautions in place. And my interest was peaked by that article because they messaged that there is a tea made from marijuana that is carcenigen free. I'm a big tea buff, so it kind of suprised me. I know that there are vareities that relax you and even ones that make you more alert, so I suppose it makes sense.

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:16 pm

NikiH wrote:At least there'd be some precautions in place.

Be careful. There will always be a black market for everything. If you can buy marijuana legally for "X" price (including the tax), I'm sure there will still be people out there selling un-taxed marijuana illegally.

As for me, I've never had any strong opinions either way. I've never smoked a cigarette let alone marijuana so I have no interest in it. I do agree, however, that from a prosecuion standpoint, I'd rather focus on those messing with cocaine, heroin, meth., pcp, etc.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:43 pm

All I know is that it's a disgusting, filthy habit, and I HATE when I am at a party, or a social gathering and someone decides to light up.

Also, any study promoting legalization is going to clearly be biased.

If it were legallized there would be some benefits for sure, but legalization is the point of no return. Once it's done, it could never be undone if we find out about some previously undiscovered effects of said legalization.

I think we ought to leave well enough alone, though, not jailing stoners would free up a lot of prison space.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:45 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:Also, any study promoting legalization is going to clearly be biased.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy

If it were legallized there would be some benefits for sure, but legalization is the point of no return. Once it's done, it could never be undone if we find out about some previously undiscovered effects of said legalization.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope . . . and this point seems irrelevant to me anyways.

If people have a right to own this property, then consequences of misuse aren't an issue, really. Otherwise, we ought to ban knives, alcohol, and anything that can poison food when you put it in someone else's dinner plate.

NikiH · Post by **NikiH** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:13 pm

Thanks Rock star! ;-)

I really think that in a free country it's hard to justify that alcohol which obviously ruins the liver when there is mass consumption, yet marijuana that has not been proven to really effect any other organ in such a drastic way, has been given such a horrible stigma.

I do agree with one point SF55, I don't think it should be ok to smoke it where ever you'd like. In the privacy of your home I would be ok with. And obviously you have to use judgement, similar to the use of alcohol. People don't get wasted in front of their children, well not responsible people.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:22 pm

With Hydro costing a c-note for 7 grams something NEEDS to be done. :evil:

NikiH · Post by **NikiH** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:39 pm

1niksder wrote:With Hydro costing a c-note for 7 grams something NEEDS to be done.

Ok I have no idea what that means. :hmm:

I get the c-note, that's a hundred dollars right??

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:32 am

NikiH wrote:
1niksder wrote:With Hydro costing a c-note for 7 grams something NEEDS to be done.

Ok I have no idea what that means. I get the c-note, that's a hundred dollars right??

Yeah you got the cost down, but I meant the cost of Hydro is going up

IONTOP · Post by **IONTOP** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:11 am

I am against it, I mean, in about an hour I'm smoking my last cigarette, I only started because it was legal for me to do. I think that the US legalizing cigarettes was a mistake, and if it was illegal I wouldn't do it. Also it has been proven that pot lowers your reaction time, so when I'm walking through the parking lot comming from a Redskins victory over the Cowpukes, I don't wanna get hit by Nate Newton because he couldn't react in time to stop.

Redskins1974 · Post by **Redskins1974** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:40 am

I'm all for it. There are entirely too many people clogging up our jail cells for pot charges.

http://www.mpp.org/

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:59 am

:hmm: Didn't we have this conversation last year, around the same time??? Oh wait, that was prostitution. My bad. Continue.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:01 am

JansenFan wrote:I think that legalization has more pro's than con's.

Bravo.

If this drug is legalised, you remove the criminal element from it. If the criminal element is removed the very powerful international drug cartels would come down crumbling in pieces running out of business.

I do not like, use or support the use of drugs. But the criminalisation of drugs has created true monsters throughout the entire World that threaten peace, stability and the governance of many developing nations.

I support the controlled legalisation of drugs as it is done in the Netherlands.

redskinz4ever · Post by **redskinz4ever** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:03 am

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote::hmm: Didn't we have this conversation last year, around the same time??? Oh wait, that was prostitution. My bad. Continue.

heck make both legal My 2 cents

NikiH · Post by **NikiH** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:30 am

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote::hmm: Didn't we have this conversation last year, around the same time??? Oh wait, that was prostitution. My bad. Continue.

I'm not being a smart ass but are the subjects of prostitution and marijuana covered in the bible? I'm just curious.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:14 pm

NikiH wrote:
REDEEMEDSKIN wrote::hmm: Didn't we have this conversation last year, around the same time??? Oh wait, that was prostitution. My bad. Continue.

I'm not being a smart ass but are the subjects of prostitution and marijuana covered in the bible? I'm just curious.

Prostitution, yes. Marijuana, no.

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:15 pm

NikiH wrote:
REDEEMEDSKIN wrote::hmm: Didn't we have this conversation last year, around the same time??? Oh wait, that was prostitution. My bad. Continue.

I'm not being a smart ass but are the subjects of prostitution and marijuana covered in the bible? I'm just curious.

Well, Jesus did forgive the woman who had several "husbands", and told her to sin no more. And Paul talks about our bodies being temples of the Holy Spirit, so we should not damage it. Drugs, impair the body's functions, and addiction leads to its destruction, a big no no.

NikiH · Post by **NikiH** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:17 pm

Ah so you must not drink or smoke, either! Same ramifications apply to both of those substances! :-)

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:29 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:
JansenFan wrote:I think that legalization has more pro's than con's.

Bravo.

If this drug is legalised, you remove the criminal element from it. If the criminal element is removed the very powerful international drug cartels would come down crumbling in pieces running out of business.

I do not like, use or support the use of drugs. But the criminalisation of drugs has created true monsters throughout the entire World that threaten peace, stability and the governance of many developing nations.

I support the controlled legalisation of drugs as it is done in the Netherlands.

I agree. As for marijuana, hemp has so many uses, that harvesting it, alone, would be of more benefit than any negative. Plus, legalization stops manufacturing criminals out of otherwise honest citizens. If you look at the history of how marijuana became criminalized, it was all race related. Now it is listed as a schedule 1 narcotic.
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/scheduling.html
Here is a list of what that means:
http://www.state.ia.us/ibpe/controlled_ ... sched.html
I feel that tobacco, or to be more precise, nicotine, fits the description of schedule 1 better than marijuana. Follow the money, people, follow the money.

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:40 pm

JSPB22 wrote:
NikiH wrote:
REDEEMEDSKIN wrote::hmm: Didn't we have this conversation last year, around the same time??? Oh wait, that was prostitution. My bad. Continue.

I'm not being a smart ass but are the subjects of prostitution and marijuana covered in the bible? I'm just curious.

Prostitution, yes. Marijuana, no.

i disagree

And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

seems pretty clear to me.

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:42 pm

hailskins666 wrote:
JSPB22 wrote:
NikiH wrote:
REDEEMEDSKIN wrote::hmm: Didn't we have this conversation last year, around the same time??? Oh wait, that was prostitution. My bad. Continue.

I'm not being a smart ass but are the subjects of prostitution and marijuana covered in the bible? I'm just curious.

Prostitution, yes. Marijuana, no.
i disagree

And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

seems pretty clear to me.

LINK???!!! :-"

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:49 pm

RED wrote:LINK???!!!

are you really serious??? i don't have a link. just open that comic book up to the the first page. genesis 1:12. :shock:

ME of all people showing you a bible quote????? ROTFALMAO

you really are a phony. :shock:

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:13 pm

Of all the odd combinations and permutations of arguments and posters that ANYBODY could have come up with, Hailskins666 quoting the Bible to Redeemed??? !!! :shock:

This is precious!!! ROTFALMAO

Guys, this is quotable both ways in the future! :lol:

History in the making. I can not stop laughingand shaking my head. Really.