Save our Parks - (RIDICULOUS PROPOSAL)

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Save our Parks - (RIDICULOUS PROPOSAL)

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http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0905/263688.html


I usually don't post or get involved in political commentary on this site, being a Redskins forum and all; however, this was brought to my attention today and it really pisses me off. No matter your political affiliation, I think this proposal undermines the fabric of our country, disrepects one of the great President's in Theodore Roosevelt and potentially creates a dangerous windfall for further profiteering and development in areas for which there should never be any.

My 2 cents of course and this has a long way to go before happening; however, all proposals begin somewhere and it's better to nip them in the bud.
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Yep.

This reminds me of the time the government proposed drilling for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge......

oh, and the time they proposed building roads in the Tongass National Forest to access old-growth trees - it's only the largest intact temperate rain forest in the world - oh, they already passed resolution on that. So much for saving the rainforests.



But I digress. The kings of the world right now are developers and real estate agents. They're going to try any way possible to procure more land - and all it does is make them more money, and give us more traffic and eyesores. They've been trying to do the same thing in Tahoe; only, it's not monuments their trying to sell off - it's the natural environment.
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Gibbs' Hog wrote:Yep.

This reminds me of the time the government proposed drilling for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge......

oh, and the time they proposed building roads in the Tongass National Forest to access old-growth trees - it's only the largest intact temperate rain forest in the world - oh, they already passed resolution on that. So much for saving the rainforests.



But I digress. The kings of the world right now are developers and real estate agents. They're going to try any way possible to procure more land - and all it does is make them more money, and give us more traffic and eyesores. They've been trying to do the same thing in Tahoe; only, it's not monuments their trying to sell off - it's the natural environment.


I agree... this one hit home b/c Roosevelt Island is a wetland on the Potomac River with trails, etc. The monument is actually a small part of it all. The river walk and wetlands are important. I guess next they'll build condo's on the National Mall or on top of Half Dome in Yosemite. That's where we're heading folks...
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I wonder, at what point in the future are we going to have Jetson's-esque style housing? The way we're going, we'll run out of land in about 20 years, and we'll just have to start building above everything else.

I don't know about you, but I'm putting a down payment on a little piece of land on Mars. Maybe when I retire, it'll have a couple of strip centers and luxury spacecraft dealerships around it - my property should go up, like, 150,000 percent!
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Gibbs' Hog wrote:I wonder, at what point in the future are we going to have Jetson's-esque style housing? The way we're going, we'll run out of land in about 20 years, and we'll just have to start building above everything else.


you'd be surprised at how much land there still is to build on in the U.S.

with technology allowing employees more flexibility in their workplace, i think you'll see development reach outward rather than 'upward'. i think you'll also see a lot of pressure to relax laws and bylaws that protect wetlands and coastal areas. there is a ton of land that, if those pesky rules were relaxed, could be used to produce quite a number of condos.
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joebagadonuts wrote:you'd be surprised at how much land there still is to build on in the U.S.

with technology allowing employees more flexibility in their workplace, i think you'll see development reach outward rather than 'upward'. i think you'll also see a lot of pressure to relax laws and bylaws that protect wetlands and coastal areas. there is a ton of land that, if those pesky rules were relaxed, could be used to produce quite a number of condos.




Those "pesky rules" are the only things that will allow my grandchildren to enjoy the natural environment some day.

Now, we are both in the architectural profession, so don't get me wrong; development is critical for us to make a living. And you're right, there's a lot of land that hasn't been developed yet. But I'm willing to bet that the land available in Maine far outreaches what is available in/around D.C.



Smart design is the key. Mixed-income developments with various levels of housing types has proven very valuable around here, and many other areas around the U.S. But all that seems to be going up around here are condos, condos, and more condos; add about 100,000 McMansion single family homes, worth about $200,000, but starting at $1.4 mil, sprouting up around what little underdeveloped suburban areas we have left, and you get 2 1/2 hr. commutes - and that's only if you can even afford the house, which is becoming ever more challenging.


1st time homebuyers don't have a chance in hell to get started around here, and even if they do get lucky, they eventually have to move 60, 80, or 100 miles outside of their work zone in order to have a good job, and be able to afford a modest single-family home at the same time.
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Gibbs' Hog wrote:
joebagadonuts wrote:you'd be surprised at how much land there still is to build on in the U.S.

with technology allowing employees more flexibility in their workplace, i think you'll see development reach outward rather than 'upward'. i think you'll also see a lot of pressure to relax laws and bylaws that protect wetlands and coastal areas. there is a ton of land that, if those pesky rules were relaxed, could be used to produce quite a number of condos.




Those "pesky rules" are the only things that will allow my grandchildren to enjoy the natural environment some day.

Now, we are both in the architectural profession, so don't get me wrong; development is critical for us to make a living. And you're right, there's a lot of land that hasn't been developed yet. But I'm willing to bet that the land available in Maine far outreaches what is available in/around D.C.



Smart design is the key. Mixed-income developments with various levels of housing types has proven very valuable around here, and many other areas around the U.S. But all that seems to be going up around here are condos, condos, and more condos; add about 100,000 McMansion single family homes, worth about $200,000, but starting at $1.4 mil, sprouting up around what little underdeveloped suburban areas we have left, and you get 2 1/2 hr. commutes - and that's only if you can even afford the house, which is becoming ever more challenging.


1st time homebuyers don't have a chance in hell to get started around here, and even if they do get lucky, they eventually have to move 60, 80, or 100 miles outside of their work zone in order to have a good job, and be able to afford a modest single-family home at the same time.


ding ding ding! You win the prize. I completely agree. Downtown is condo crazy, the 'burbs are becomming condo and are already McMansion crazy. There has to be smart development and taking away National Park and wetlands sure as hell isn't the way to do it. These areas are critical, not only on an environmental level but for recreation and escape from the congestion and chaos of city life or traffic in the 'burbs. I bike to and walk around Roosevelt Island often and it's an incredible place that makes you forget that you're standing between DC and Rosslyn. I was being sarcastic about Yosemite or the Mall but if it starts with smaller National Parks, what's to say that at some point some of the more well known places won't be tapped as well (as some already have, not for development but for other reasons).

Furthermore, for an out-of-town Congressmen to dictate local spaces is an injustice in itself. There's obviously an agenda (ie - a money making opportunity for this congressman).
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This country does need more places to shop though I mean when you gotta drive 5 miles to shop it's a little rediculous.
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Oh, don't be such softies. Building on wetlands and shorelands should only frighten those nervous nellies who worry about hurricanes. And storms only crush Bengladesh, right?
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Seriously. Write your congressmen. Selling off 15 National Parks for private development? It only takes a few minutes to send an e-mail. You can use this website to send it.
http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/

The fact that Teddy Roosevelt Island would be sold to develop condos and strip malls is irony beyond belief. He set aside more Federal land for national parks and preserves than all his predecesors combined.
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skins81 wrote:Seriously. Write your congressmen. Selling off 15 National Parks for private development? It only takes a few minutes to send an e-mail. You can use this website to send it.
http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/

The fact that Teddy Roosevelt Island would be sold to develop condos and strip malls is irony beyond belief. He set aside more Federal land for national parks and preserves than all his predecesors combined.


Exactly - I plan to write other letters but here's what I wrote Eleanor Homes Norton. Obviously, being a DC resident I geared it toward her as our Delegate in Congress - :

Dear Delegate:

I was shocked and appalled to read the following article, http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0905/263688.html, regarding the potential sale of Roosevelt Island and other National Park land for profiteering and development. First of all, the irony of selling Roosevelt Island, which pays homage to Theodore Roosevelt, the founder of our National Park system, should not be lost in this debacle. Second, for an out-of-town Congressman to propose of such drastic measures is akin to the proposal to change the name of 16th Street to "Ronald Reagan Boulevard," yet on a grander scale. In other words, it's a dangerous disregard and disrespect to DC and Metro area residents by legislators who are not from this area, nor do they reside here permanently while Congress is in session. Furthermore, these parks are an important fabric of our city as well as our nations psyche, an escape from everyday life and a historic reminder of the ideals from which this country is based.

I would like to know what I can do, as a citizen of DC, which already has no voting rights in Congress and a city which is constantly undermined by Federal politics (as a lifelong resident of DC and the area I will admit it is getting better as a result of your great work), in order to take action against such transactions and raise awareness of this issue before its potential becomes reality.

Thank you for your time and continued fight for our beloved city.

Regards,


Mike McDonnell
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