Anyone want to give an "apology" to Coach Gibbs.

[skinpride1]

Wondering if anyone is feeling bad for losing faith in Coach Gibbs.I must admit that I thought we were doomed last night.I love how the team never gave up!! Some early posts came up last night before the game was over and boy did it come back to "haunt some board members".Bashing Gibbs and the team.I must admit that I'm still kind of in shock that Brunell made those great throws.The most important thing is that we won and need to keep it rolling.Anyway "sorry" Coach Gibbs!!! Remember this is for apology and not a bashing to the ones who want to say something.

[redskins56]

Absolutely not.

The offense was still terrible for three quarters and 11 minutes of the fourth. As I, and most other people had predicted, with Bruenll's insertion into the lineup came a decline in the running game. That's not a conincidence.

Gibbs got the win and the team is 2-0. For that I will congratulate him on a job well done. He's making 25 million to win games, and has one of the most talentted teams in the league on paper. There's no reason they've been as bad as they have offensviely for seven of the eight quarters they have played this season.

If it's not for the Cowboys passing to get us the ball back, and the best coach on our staff Gregg Williams' defense being money as always, we don't get the ball with 3 minutes left. Minus the two miracle passes God gave us in return for 8 years of misery, Brunell was awful and so was the offense.

I don't owe Joe Gibbs anything. Santana Moss, the defense, Gregg Williams, Nick Novak for making a game-saving tackle, they're the heroes. Not Gibbs when his offense doesn't score for 56 minutes.

It may not sound like it but I am very happy with what's going on, and for once am at peace with what's going on in D.C.. But to think that we should appologize for doubting Gibbs after a terrible performance is silly.

I realized you asked for apologies only, but this is my responce to your question.

---Geepz---

[ColoradoHog]

I think coach Gibbs is a great coach. I also think that he will eventually bring us back to the Super Bowl and I look forward to watching him approve. I also think that he probably made mistakes the first time he coached the skins and I think that he made a mistake when he put Brunell in.

During the all but 70 seconds of last nights game, I though Brunell looked just like last year....terrible. I think it reasonable to believe that Ramsey could have done a better job last night. Of course he would not have made that 25 yard scarmble, but if we had some offense last night...he would not have had to.

How many people out there at some point in the game thought: oh man...Brunell looks awfull....But Gibbs can't make a quick switch back to Ramsey...it would send the DC and the team into turmoil....we are stuck with Brunell for a few more weeks....we are in trouble...Gibbs is in trouble

I was a wrestler in high school...never played football. But I don't think two EXCELLENT desperation passes at the end of the game made up for what I saw during the rest of the game? I can only hope that Brunell is actually ready to return to his old glory and it did not show for the same reason the Cowboys beat us when we were on the way to the Super Bowl with Rippon (I think) and the cowboys had not won a game

We did not run well, we did not sack Bleadso, and we did not protect Brunell (three assumptions about the Skins were damaged last night). I was so pumped for the win, but I ended the game thinking that we looked worst than we did against Chicago. Please tell me why I am misunderstanding what I saw last night.

GO SKINS...2-0 feels good

[redskins56]

I think coach Gibbs is a great coach. I also think that he will eventually bring us back to the Super Bowl and I look forward to watching him approve. I also think that he probably made mistakes the first time he coached the skins and I think that he made a mistake when he put Brunell in.

During the all but 70 seconds of last nights game, I though Brunell looked just like last year....terrible. I think it reasonable to believe that Ramsey could have done a better job last night. Of course he would not have made that 25 yard scarmble, but if we had some offense last night...he would not have had to.

How many people out there at some point in the game thought: oh man...Brunell looks awfull....But Gibbs can't make a quick switch back to Ramsey...it would send the DC and the team into turmoil....we are stuck with Brunell for a few more weeks....we are in trouble...Gibbs is in trouble

I was a wrestler in high school...never played football. But I don't think two EXCELLENT desperation passes at the end of the game made up for what I saw during the rest of the game? I can only hope that Brunell is actually ready to return to his old glory and it did not show for the same reason the Cowboys beat us when we were on the way to the Super Bowl with Rippon (I think) and the cowboys had not won a game

We did not run well, we did not sack Bleadso, and we did not protect Brunell (three assumptions about the Skins were damaged last night). I was so pumped for the win, but I ended the game thinking that we looked worst than we did against Chicago. Please tell me why I am misunderstanding what I saw last night.

GO SKINS...2-0 feels good

Let's not forget Ramsey's 33-yard first down scramble in overtime, week one against the Jets three years ago to set up John Hall's first game-winning field goal in burgundy and gold.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Absolutely not.

So....Brunell didn't throw that pass? Brunells talent, experience and poise had nothing to do with it?

Brunell stepping up in the pocket to avoid the rush wasn't Brunell?

Brunell learning from his previous underthrown passes to put that perfect touch on the ball wasn't Brunell?

Brunell managing the clock wasn't him either?

Brunell being poised and feeling the blitz wasnt him?

Yea, Brunell had nothing to do with it. Gibbs had nothing to do with it.

[redskins56]

This post is about whether or not I feel like I owe Joe Gibbs an apology, not about analyzing Mark Brunell's play. There are enough of those... Trust me.

I will repeat. Brunell looked as bad as he did all of last seaon for three-plus quarters, and Gibbs' offense did absolutely nothing. My personal opinion is that they have a better option on the sidelines, and that scoring the two late touchdown's wouldn't have been neccessary if he were playing.

Because of that, I will continue to repeat, that Gibbs did nothing to warrant my doubting him. The Cowboys gave us that game by throwing the ball when they should have kept it on the ground. By committing a holding penalty on a first-down completion that put them in field-goal range on their fianl third down of the game.

We had no business winning. If a coach won that game for us it was Gregg Williams and his defense, not Joe Gibbs. As a Redskins fan I respect Gibbs more than any coach in the history of football, it comes with the territory.

But what he did was wrong. You don't lie for nine months and profess that someone is your guy, and then pull them after one quarter. He screwed Ramsey, and I'm bitter about it.

So no Chris... I won't appologize after a game in which his offense leaend on our defense all night long. It's not going to happen just yet.

[1niksder]

Absolutely not.

You're right... he wouldn't want it if you said what you felt.

The offense was still terrible for three quarters and 11 minutes of the fourth. As I, and most other people had predicted, with Bruenll's insertion into the lineup came a decline in the running game. That's not a conincidence.

That's why they play at least 4-15 minute quarters.
The running game declined. but the passing game beat them

Gibbs got the win and the team is 2-0. For that I will congratulate him on a job well done. He's making 25 million to win games, and has one of the most talentted teams in the league on paper. There's no reason they've been as bad as they have offensviely for seven of the eight quarters they have played this season.

He's paid to when games - 2 played/2 won - where does it say he only gets paid if its pretty

If it's not for the Cowboys passing to get us the ball back, and the best coach on our staff Gregg Williams' defense being money as always, we don't get the ball with 3 minutes left. Minus the two miracle passes God gave us in return for 8 years of misery, Brunell was awful and so was the offense.

Gregg Williams is paid to have a big money defense... with one of the most talentted teams in the league on paper

I don't owe Joe Gibbs anything. Santana Moss, the defense, Gregg Williams, Nick Novak for making a game-saving tackle, they're the heroes. Not Gibbs when his offense doesn't score for 56 minutes.

Did you walk away after 56 minutes ... didn't think so, get off the soap box (4x 15 =60 mins. NOT 56 mins). Four minutes is a long time(don't believe me -ask that team in Texas)

It may not sound like it but I am very happy with what's going on, and for once am at peace with what's going on in D.C.. But to think that we should appologize for doubting Gibbs after a terrible performance is silly.

It doesn't sound like you're happy because you are talking about things you don't/didn't like, so it may come off as negative or less than what you would like to project.
We are Fan of the Greatest Team on Earth so we can do that...
If we want to complain after a win we will, Yell for the coache's head, absolutely, they'll even be a list of players to be cut floating around soon

[wonker]

I completely agree with 56. What did Gibbs do to merit any type of admiration? The team has been laughably bad against two teams that didn't make last year's playoffs (and may not make this year's.)

I'd like to see some improvement, not two passes.



wonker

Absolutely not.

The offense was still terrible for three quarters and 11 minutes of the fourth. As I, and most other people had predicted, with Bruenll's insertion into the lineup came a decline in the running game. That's not a conincidence.

Gibbs got the win and the team is 2-0. For that I will congratulate him on a job well done. He's making 25 million to win games, and has one of the most talentted teams in the league on paper. There's no reason they've been as bad as they have offensviely for seven of the eight quarters they have played this season.

If it's not for the Cowboys passing to get us the ball back, and the best coach on our staff Gregg Williams' defense being money as always, we don't get the ball with 3 minutes left. Minus the two miracle passes God gave us in return for 8 years of misery, Brunell was awful and so was the offense.

I don't owe Joe Gibbs anything. Santana Moss, the defense, Gregg Williams, Nick Novak for making a game-saving tackle, they're the heroes. Not Gibbs when his offense doesn't score for 56 minutes.

It may not sound like it but I am very happy with what's going on, and for once am at peace with what's going on in D.C.. But to think that we should appologize for doubting Gibbs after a terrible performance is silly.

I realized you asked for apologies only, but this is my responce to your question.

---Geepz---

[gilbertarenas]

Gregg Williams is paid to have a big money defense... with one of the most talentted teams in the league on paper

How can u diss Gregg Williams. There are definetely more talented teams on paper especially with Lavar not playing the majority of the snaps. Also, while Gibbs offense was anemic and not helping win the time of possesion battle, Williams and his schemes kept the Redskins in the game. He kept his team together and they only gave up a touchdown on a trick play, while the offense exploded in the 4th quarter. Remember, the score could have been much worse.

Ramsey did have a short leash, to tell me that he had equal chance with of Brunell is riduculous. Brunell's interception was similiar to Ramsey in that it was caused by zone defenses and perhaps the Redskins should ditch that play. In the 1st half, Brunell threw 56 yards and underthrew and overthrew receivers. Still, Gibbs stuck with Brunell which is what he should have done with Ramsey in the first place.

Brunell did well against the Cowboys but hopefully this translate into some sort of consistency. Remember, Brunell had his best game against Dallas last year. Durability is still a concern, especially if he pulls a hamstring like last year. But Brunell definetely has some zip on the ball that was not apparent last year and hopefully he can regain his stature as a starting qb.

[die cowboys die]

2 sweet bombs wins us a big game and brings a lot of joy, but doesn't eternally atone for 55 minutes of cover-your-eyes awful offense. as far as i'm concerned, gibbs is still on the "hot seat".

[welch]

I watched the game that several people, unlike the esteeemed Chris LL, seem to have missed. (For curiosity, I read through the game thread. It's a funny read. And hats off to SC fan.)

I saw a ragged OL. Count the hits and sacks.

I saw Brunell make sharp, quick throws throughout the game. I saw him read, spot, and throw. I saw him make one mistake -- the interception. Otherwise, he was, as CLL says, poised, gritty, leading the team through a tough stretch.

"Happy feet"? No. He moved when he had to, set quickly, and threw.

No, Ramsey would have been overwhelmed. If no other play, consider the 3rd and 10 million yards run. Not something Ramsey would ever be capable of doing. And the first TD, on the next play: a 4th down long pass TD, perfectly thrown to Moss.

[blchizzleke]

The fact is us Redskins fans ourselves cannot keep questioning each other like the media questions us every week. We need to stick together because we're still in the minority of people who believe in the skins. Some people got frustrated before the game ended understandably and some people supported every decision made which is also respectable. When all is said and done no matter who said what we won the football game. Lets stop focusing on who said what in regards to the Cowboys and the Cowboys game for that matter. We play the Seahawks next and that should be the only game that matters right now.

[patjam77]

i'll not apologize for anything i said. i love gibss but it's crazy to think it took until the last five minutes of the game to finally score a TD. the offense has no flow, the playcalling is bland at best and even the cowboys had been learned well on coach gibbs snap counts.

[sch1977]

Absolutely not.

The offense was still terrible for three quarters and 11 minutes of the fourth. As I, and most other people had predicted, with Bruenll's insertion into the lineup came a decline in the running game. That's not a conincidence.

Gibbs got the win and the team is 2-0. For that I will congratulate him on a job well done. He's making 25 million to win games, and has one of the most talentted teams in the league on paper. There's no reason they've been as bad as they have offensviely for seven of the eight quarters they have played this season.

If it's not for the Cowboys passing to get us the ball back, and the best coach on our staff Gregg Williams' defense being money as always, we don't get the ball with 3 minutes left. Minus the two miracle passes God gave us in return for 8 years of misery, Brunell was awful and so was the offense.

I don't owe Joe Gibbs anything. Santana Moss, the defense, Gregg Williams, Nick Novak for making a game-saving tackle, they're the heroes. Not Gibbs when his offense doesn't score for 56 minutes.

It may not sound like it but I am very happy with what's going on, and for once am at peace with what's going on in D.C.. But to think that we should appologize for doubting Gibbs after a terrible performance is silly.

I realized you asked for apologies only, but this is my responce to your question.

---Geepz---

Dont you think, however, that teams will respect Brunell's arm more now?

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

I wholly apologize to Patrick Ramsey for the Pro-Brunell threads I created.
The way Ramsey scrambled for 25 yds on Monday Night, and those two awesome bombs at the end of the game to seal the victory, proved to me that he in fact IS ready to be THE QB of the Washington Redskins.

Wait....I'm getting some new info here....

That was Brunell in there???? What!!!????
HE helped us beat the Cowboys...in Dallas????!!!!

If I hadn't seeen it I couldn't believe it.

[kspeed10]

redskins 56 is right on the money. Gibbs still has not shown that he does not deserve critisizm. His offense was terrible through the first 56 minutes and we didn't even sustain a drive that got us within field goal range! Brunell was terrible, sure he made crisp 5 yard throws, but that does nothing to open the run game and move us down the field. He threw one ugly interception and at least two more balls that had cowboy defender hands all over them. The win was great, but it can't cloud our vision of what's really going on with our team. The skins offense is terrible with Brunell taking the snaps and our defense is going to be wasted as it was last year if the offense doesn't get better.

[roybus14]

No apologies to Coach Gibbs. Even though we won, it took until the last 4 minutes of the game to score. This team still has issues that need to be seriously addressed, especially on Offense. How many times are we going to run Portis up the middle for no yards? We need to take advantage of the speed at wideout and stretch the field. Maybe that will open up holes for Portis up the middle....

It's time for Coach Gibbs to get the offense in gear and up-to-date. I still feel that he is a great coach but some of his decisions during games and his handling of the QB situation has got alot of people scratching their head's.....

[Gibbs' Hog]

You guys are ridiculous. As another member once said - and I can't believe I'm paraphrasing him - the 'W' should be all that matters.


We won the game - period. For all I care, the score could have been tied at 0 going into overtime, and a Redskins field goal to win it would have made my day.



It seems pretty apparent to me that, for the past two months, we have seen a struggling deep passing game, and our communications on the field have not reached where they need to be - BUT, something clicked in those last few minutes on Monday night: Brunell threw two deep balls, he led the fastest receiver on our team with the passes, and, from what I saw, the Skins might finally cause some other teams to account for a potential deep threat.



I think all you critics of Gibbs and Co. are forgetting the history here.

First of all, this isn't about "blind faith" and "trusting" a HOF coach who has brought us to success in the past - this is about recognizing the fact that our coaches have been, and are, capable of reaching the ultimate goal. They did not start out well (0-5, as we all know) during their first stint in Washington, but brought us to victory the very next year. Gibbs & Co. struggled last year, and now we have started the season 2-0, and 1-0 in our division. If you can't recognize that there is at least a possibilty that our coaches and players are on the verge of turning our team into a good one again, then you're missing something.


The Skins may not have proven that they can beat the best in the league, but, at least to me, it seems like the end of that game could be a sign. Look out for more Brunell/Moss/Patten/Jacobs deep balls in future games. We know we can do it, other teams now know we can do it, and don't forget - it's going to let CP rush for 100+ in many of our upcoming games.

[1niksder]

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Looking over the threads around here....
You'd think we were 0-2

[patjam77]

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Looking over the threads around here....
You'd think we were 0-2

It's not that i'm unhappy that we wont this game... i am still in disbelief and i keep all the iggle fans off my back for 2 weeks. but i for one am just trying to keep the big picture in perspective. the offense needs to still be worked on, plain and simple. was monday night a mirage or was it the beginning of scoring more than 20 points in a game? none of us will know until they take the field against the seahawks. i'm hoping i get to eat a mouthful of sour crow.

[Redskins1974]

I posted this in the wrong thread:

People are quick to dismiss Gibbs as being outdated and that's the bottom line. We'll see how the QB situation unfolds but a smart QB is key to Gibbs' system. I think people calling for Gibbs' head right now are out of their minds. He is trying to turnaround a longtime losing team (with it comes the mindset of losing) and franchise - that doesn't happen overnight. He has made some mistakes but he's not an idiot... patience is key and, if you look back, I always said that his third year back would lead us to the promised land and the first two years would be building toward that. Of course I hope this is the year but I'm a realist who knew it would take a little time to turn around our losing ways.

Of course it's ok to criticize but some of you people have gone beyond that.

[SkinsJock]

IMO Gibbs is responsible for this team. That is the great D, the special teams, the offense, the coaches = the Redskins. He has people who do jobs for him and he has brought in people, both players AND coaches/co-ordinators to make this (hopefully) a better team. Yes, he has a lot of input on the offenseive side but do not put all the blame on Gibbs for this team's offensive problems. This will be resolved by Gibbs through his assistants. He deserves the credit for being 2-0.

Just like in golf, no stories, just put down the number of strokes! 2 - 0 Now - who's the coach?

[gus]

As you all know, I'm from Panama, but the last I heard about the US was that there is a Democracy going.

Fact: The Skins were awful for 55 minutes last monday. Fire Gibbs.
Fact: The Redskins won IN DALLAS. Gibbs is great.

There are two ways to see what happened on MNF and everyone is entitled to an opinion. Like, the glass is half empty or half full.

One thing is for sure: we all love the REDSKINS, because otherwise we would be somewhere else.

HaiL,

[SkinsJock]

As you all know, I'm from Panama, but the last I heard about the US was that there is a Democracy going.

Fact: The Skins were awful for 55 minutes last monday. Fire Gibbs.
Fact: The Redskins won IN DALLAS. Gibbs is great.

There are two ways to see what happened on MNF and everyone is entitled to an opinion. Like, the glass is half empty or half full.

One thing is for sure: we all love the REDSKINS, because otherwise we would be somewhere else.

Huh? okay, I think!

[skins81]

As you all know, I'm from Panama, but the last I heard about the US was that there is a Democracy going.

Fact: The Skins were awful for 55 minutes last monday. Fire Gibbs.
Fact: The Redskins won IN DALLAS. Gibbs is great.

There are two ways to see what happened on MNF and everyone is entitled to an opinion. Like, the glass is half empty or half full.

One thing is for sure: we all love the REDSKINS, because otherwise we would be somewhere else.

HaiL,

Um, Go Redskins?