Can Brunell throw the deep ball?

[hkHog]

After last night and the preseason I have to say unequivocably "yes." Here's what I saw:

He went deep four times. The first time he underthrew Moss by a step in the endzone and the ball was just tipped away at the last minute. Almost a great throw but not quite.

He then threw a 41 yd strike to Moss on the run - perfect throw.

Then of course he made two more perfect (not just good but perfect) passes to Moss for the two TDs.

Bottom line is he looked great throwing the deep ball. What's more, all four of those passes (even the incompletion) were better quality balls than ANY of the passes Ramsey made in the preseason except the nice ball he threw to Patten on the sideline in the Cincy game and even then Patten made an amazing adjustment to make that play (he did throw two awful ints in that game too though). When was the last time Ramsey hit a guy in stride? Brunell also threw a beuty to Farris in the Baltimore game as well. He seemed out of sync against the Bears but I thibk he was not used to the speed of his recievers.

I honestly believe that there is no problem at all with Brunell's arm strength. Quite the contrary, I think he has actually been most impressive when he has gone down the field. IMO, he has SHOWN thus far to be more of a big play threat than Ramsey so I think it is a mistake to suggest otherwise. If you disagree please tell me but use some facts, I believe the evidence thus far this season leans overwhelmingly in Brunell's favor.

[EA7649]

Sure, Ramsey Can chuck it far but he'll over throw it. Mark has the touch and can make smart desicions not putting it in sports have have a high risk.

[Steve Spurrier III]

We know he can throw the deep ball, and we definetly know he can throw the short passes. The question is whether or not he can be consistently accurate on the mid-range passes. In my opinion, that will determine how successful this team can be.

[Chris Luva Luva]

This what I saw last night!



Go Santana!

[hkHog]

We know he can throw the deep ball, and we definetly know he can throw the short passes. The question is whether or not he can be consistently accurate on the mid-range passes. In my opinion, that will determine how successful this team can be.

Exactly, right now we need to get a little more rhythm in our passing game so we can keep the chains moving.

[Mursilis]

We know he can throw the deep ball, and we definetly know he can throw the short passes. The question is whether or not he can be consistently accurate on the mid-range passes. In my opinion, that will determine how successful this team can be.

Exactly, right now we need to get a little more rhythm in our passing game so we can keep the chains moving.

And keep opposing defenses honest - no more crowding the line and focusing only on Portis. Let 'em worry about the passing game for a change!

[redskingush]

I was a big emotional win last night, however I still think we are better served with Ramsey.

[redskingush]

Ive also noticed CLL is doing alot of cooking today. What else is in the fridge?

[box8276]

I was a big emotional win last night, however I still think we are better served with Ramsey.

Ramsey needs to be served with some walkin papers. Face it, its over. We drafted Campbell, and Pram in his last year stinkin it up. If Brunell cant go the distance money is on Campbell to play. He is our future not Ramsey.

[aswas71788]

My! My! My! Now that the Redskins beat Dallas, everyone is busy sticking the knives in Ramsey and celebrating Brunell. I would suggest that you wait a while. Brunell didn't look very good for 56 minutes of the game. Over throws, under throws and an interception.

Regardless, that was an awesome win last night. Yee haw!!

[SkinsBigtime]

My! My! My! Now that the Redskins beat Dallas, everyone is busy sticking the knives in Ramsey and celebrating Brunell. I would suggest that you wait a while. Brunell didn't look very good for 56 minutes of the game. Over throws, under throws and an interception.

Regardless, that was an awesome win last night. Yee haw!!

Ummmmmm Can you say 9 for 12 in the 1st half??? That does not sound like inaccuracy to me. Brunell was stuck with short conservative plays because of the playcalling, not his arm strength. He did throw a poor interception and I'm not sure what he was thinking, however he threw a great game.

[Irn-Bru]

Long time no see, SkinsBigtime

[hkHog]

My! My! My! Now that the Redskins beat Dallas, everyone is busy sticking the knives in Ramsey and celebrating Brunell. I would suggest that you wait a while. Brunell didn't look very good for 56 minutes of the game. Over throws, under throws and an interception.

Regardless, that was an awesome win last night. Yee haw!!

Ummmmmm Can you say 9 for 12 in the 1st half??? That does not sound like inaccuracy to me. Brunell was stuck with short conservative plays because of the playcalling, not his arm strength. He did throw a poor interception and I'm not sure what he was thinking, however he threw a great game.

He also didn't get a lot of help from his line or running game.

[crazyhorse1]

Help from the running game? He was the reason there was no running game. The pukes played up, closed off the run, and let Brunel have his dinks. I predicted his percentage would be high because it was obvious what the pukes would do. Truth is, Brunell had a terrible game for 56 minutes, for the most part only taking what the pukes let him have. He was inept against the rush, missed receivers, threw a stupid pick, scored only 14, even with the two miracle throws. Can he throw long? I hope so. If he can, he better start doing it. We're going no where with him if those throws were just luck or if he stops making them.

[redskins56]

Sure, Ramsey Can chuck it far but he'll over throw it. Mark has the touch and can make smart desicions not putting it in sports have have a high risk.

I'm not sure what that was supposed to have meant, but I'm tired of hearing that Brunell doesn't make mistakes. He threw a terrible, I mean terrible interception, that he would be getting hung for today if he were Patrick Ramsey. It led to the only points of the first 2 and a half quarters, which I take as a costly-mistake from a guy that doensn't make mistakes.

As far as the deepball, I'm not sure if he can throw it good enough to make our opposition fully respect him just yet, although his 2 last-minute home run's certainly help his cause. As was mentioned, he underthrew Moss on the first drive in the left corner of the endzone, even though he was 4 steps ahead of the defender covering him.

He also threw a pick on the ball to Thrash, a deep-out of sort's it looked like at the sideline, about 25 to 30 yards down field. He undershot David Patten on a post pattern late in the third quarter, as Patten had a few steps on the corner chasing him, but had to come back for the ball.

He was 3-for-7 on his long balls, but hit his man when he needed to. Clinton Portis averaged 3.1 yards per carry for a reason though, and it's not because he didn't run hard. It's because Dallas stacked the box, and didn't respect the pass.

Can he throw 55 yards down field? Sure. So can every other NFL quarterback. I still think this offense would fit Patrick perfectly though, more so after last night's 4th quarter than ever before. I guess I just have to get over it, but that strong arm isn't doing any good holding a clipboard.

[redskins56]

My! My! My! Now that the Redskins beat Dallas, everyone is busy sticking the knives in Ramsey and celebrating Brunell. I would suggest that you wait a while. Brunell didn't look very good for 56 minutes of the game. Over throws, under throws and an interception.

Regardless, that was an awesome win last night. Yee haw!!

Ummmmmm Can you say 9 for 12 in the 1st half??? That does not sound like inaccuracy to me. Brunell was stuck with short conservative plays because of the playcalling, not his arm strength. He did throw a poor interception and I'm not sure what he was thinking, however he threw a great game.

He also didn't get a lot of help from his line or running game.

What is he a Major League Pitcher. Threw a great game?

I could go 9 of 12 throwing to Robert Royal, James Thrash and my running backs 4 yards from the line of scrimmage all half. He didn't hit Moss all half, oh wait, he did, on a screen for a loss of 1.

You must have fallen asleep before the game started and woken up for the final three minutes, because great and Brunell for the first 56 minutes are antonyms.

---Geepz---

[Chris Luva Luva]

Man o man! Im pulling my hair out!

Im tired of hearing about Brunell underthrowing people. Its easy to see why, he doesn't have timing with the WR's yet.

Why doesn't he?
Patrick took at least 80% of the snaps with the 1st string offense.

What does that mean Chris?
Brunell has to make up for lost time during game time.

I need some more help....

Brunell underthrew Moss twice for POTENTIAL TD's.
Brunell came back when it MATTERED and found his timing for that period.

Explain some more Chris...

If Brunell's TD passes are any indication of him developing timing with our WR's then lets look back on the other 2 underthrown passes. They possibly may have been completed. That = a score of 28 points.

Woulda could shoulda? Yea. But its promise that we're seeing, potential is all I ask for.

[redskins56]

Jon Jansen said on 980 last week that Brunell had been getting 50% of the snaps since the last pre-season game when asked how surprised he was of Ramsey's benching.

He mentioned that he had noticed at that point that Brunell was working his way back into the mix, and that Gibbs was getting him ready for action.

The timing thing is as much an excuse as that he was plying hurt last year, or that my dog ate my homework. The fact is, timing or no timing, when you suplpant a starter who had five-less yards in one drive in week-one than the offense did in the entire first-half, you'd better hit receivers in stride.

I was only looking at what happened on the field. That's all we can go by...

[Mursilis]

Man o man! Im pulling my hair out!

Im tired of hearing about Brunell underthrowing people. Its easy to see why, he doesn't have timing with the WR's yet.

Why doesn't he?
Patrick took at least 80% of the snaps with the 1st string offense.

What does that mean Chris?
Brunell has to make up for lost time during game time.

I need some more help....

Brunell underthrew Moss twice for POTENTIAL TD's.
Brunell came back when it MATTERED and found his timing for that period.

Explain some more Chris...

If Brunell's TD passes are any indication of him developing timing with our WR's then lets look back on the other 2 underthrown passes. They possibly may have been completed. That = a score of 28 points.

While you're busy apologizing for Brunell, maybe you can explain last year's league-worst completion percentage (49.8 vs. Ramsey's 62.8 with the same receivers), 31st-ranked passer rating (7 points less than KYLE BOLLER!), and 3-6 record as a starter. I'm truly glad Brunell had ONE good game, but it will take more than that to prove the Brunell of last season is gone for good, and the Brunell who did a lot of good things in Jacksonville is back.

But its promise that we're seeing, potential is all I ask for.

He's not a rookie! He better have more than potential and promise from here on out. Points are what matter.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Jon Jansen said on 980 last week that Brunell had been getting 50% of the snaps since the last pre-season game when asked how surprised he was of Ramsey's benching.

He mentioned that he had noticed at that point that Brunell was working his way back into the mix, and that Gibbs was getting him ready for action.

The timing thing is as much an excuse as that he was plying hurt last year, or that my dog ate my homework. The fact is, timing or no timing, when you suplpant a starter who had five-less yards in one drive in week-one than the offense did in the entire first-half, you'd better hit receivers in stride.

I was only looking at what happened on the field. That's all we can go by...

You proved my point, thank you.

He got 50% of the snaps since the last preseason game.

So that doesn't include the 1st 3 games and practices. That doesn't include mini camp and preseason before the games.

If you think that type of timing is easily attainable then you're in for a rude awakening.

[hkHog]

While you're busy apologizing for Brunell, maybe you can explain last year's league-worst completion percentage (49.8 vs. Ramsey's 62.8 with the same receivers), 31st-ranked passer rating (7 points less than KYLE BOLLER!), and 3-6 record as a starter.

He was injured.

[cvillehog]

Jon Jansen said on 980 last week that Brunell had been getting 50% of the snaps since the last pre-season game when asked how surprised he was of Ramsey's benching.

He mentioned that he had noticed at that point that Brunell was working his way back into the mix, and that Gibbs was getting him ready for action.

The timing thing is as much an excuse as that he was plying hurt last year, or that my dog ate my homework. The fact is, timing or no timing, when you suplpant a starter who had five-less yards in one drive in week-one than the offense did in the entire first-half, you'd better hit receivers in stride.

I was only looking at what happened on the field. That's all we can go by...

You proved my point, thank you.

He got 50% of the snaps since the last preseason game.

So that doesn't include the 1st 3 games and practices. That doesn't include mini camp and preseason before the games.

If you think that type of timing is easily attainable then you're in for a rude awakening.

Not that I particularly disagree with your point about Brunell needing time to get chemistry with the recievers (it is obvious he is more comfortable with some of the "second string" guys, getting the ball to Royal and Thrash when he's in a pinch), but couldn't the fact that Brunell was getting 50% of the snaps have affected Ramsey's ability to develop chemistry and timing with the recievers?

[Mursilis]

While you're busy apologizing for Brunell, maybe you can explain last year's league-worst completion percentage (49.8 vs. Ramsey's 62.8 with the same receivers), 31st-ranked passer rating (7 points less than KYLE BOLLER!), and 3-6 record as a starter.

He was injured.

Then why was he in there?!? If a player can't play, for whatever reason (injury, lack of talent, whatever), then they should sit.

[coachKarl]

Brunell can throw the long ball, it just brings rain with it when it comes down.

[welch]

While you're busy apologizing for Brunell, maybe you can explain last year's league-worst completion percentage (49.8 vs. Ramsey's 62.8 with the same receivers), 31st-ranked passer rating (7 points less than KYLE BOLLER!), and 3-6 record as a starter.

That's irrelevant. Brunell has won pressure games throughout his career. Ramsey has not. Ever.

Ignore the temptation to consider Fantasy League stuff. Ignore the TV entertainers. Watch them play. How did they look?