Who's getting kicked off the bandwagon?

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:49 pm

King Cali Skin wrote:Luck Ha, we don't need luck, We need a Miracle and that's what we got. I guess we used up our one miracle for the then half decade, but we still have some luck we can use this year.

Shut up, dude!! Geez. The Cowboys scored their only TD on a freakin Flea Flicker.

Last year they beat us the same way. A long pass as time expired, did you hear Parcells crying "luck". You play the game for 4 quarters.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:50 pm

King Cali Skin wrote:Our glass was 1/12 empty last night and the first 11/12 tasted like crap. You guys like 11/12 crap water for 1/12 good?

Bad deal, give me 1/2 good any day.

So if we played extremely well and lost, would that be better? :hmm:

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:51 pm

Dude, leave it the frick alone!

Why do some of you insist on ruining a good win by going around and declaring people "bandwagon" or "fair-weather" fans?

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:51 pm

I still can't believe people are separating the bad from the good and asking whether or not we liked the "whole" game "including all of this crap."

Last I checked, the whole game was a big, shiny W for our Skins.

And, if every time the Cowboys come back to beat us (and I'm frustrated), if I can't use the excuse "well we played well for 56 minutes!", then I sure as heck am not going to let any "we didn't play well for 56 minutes" arguments bother me one bit from enjoying our amazing WIN.

King Cali Skin 2 · Post by **King Cali Skin 2** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:55 pm

The Hogster wrote:
King Cali Skin wrote:Our glass was 1/12 empty last night and the first 11/12 tasted like crap. You guys like 11/12 crap water for 1/12 good?

Bad deal, give me 1/2 good any day.

So if we played extremely well and lost, would that be better?

Yes, This game again shows we cant hand with the better teams, not saying Dallas is one of the better teams, but when we do face them, but well see

Enjoy the W

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:56 pm

cvillehog wrote:Dude, leave it the frick alone!

Why do some of you insist on ruining a good win by going around and declaring people "bandwagon" or "fair-weather" fans?

I think you have it backwards. The rest of us are trying to focus on the positives after a freakin win...while some of you insist on trying to convince us that we won't win again.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:58 pm

King Cali Skin wrote:
The Hogster wrote:
King Cali Skin wrote:Our glass was 1/12 empty last night and the first 11/12 tasted like crap. You guys like 11/12 crap water for 1/12 good?

Bad deal, give me 1/2 good any day.

So if we played extremely well and lost, would that be better?

Yes, This game again shows we cant hand with the better teams, not saying Dallas is one of the better teams, but when we do face them, but well see

Enjoy the W

I disagree. I saw chemistry and I saw timing coming into play at the end of that game. I can't comprehend how a football fan could not see that.

I also saw a run game being stuffed no one thinks Brunell is Peyton. If we cant run very well then they can tee off on the guy like they did last night.

You guys dwell on the negative more than the SI guys.

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:01 pm

damn. that almost needs to be in smack. comparing somebody to SI is LOW.

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:01 pm

King Cali Skin wrote:
The Hogster wrote:
King Cali Skin wrote:Our glass was 1/12 empty last night and the first 11/12 tasted like crap. You guys like 11/12 crap water for 1/12 good?

Bad deal, give me 1/2 good any day.

So if we played extremely well and lost, would that be better?

Yes, This game again shows we cant hand with the better teams, not saying Dallas is one of the better teams, but when we do face them, but well see

Enjoy the W

I'm sure the guys on the team who battled all game long agree with you. No chance in hell do they belong. :roll:

HitDoctor · Post by **HitDoctor** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:02 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Ill be real with you. Ive stated plenty of times that I have no ill will between Brunell or Ramsey at this point...

However, I dont believe Ramsey has the poise to have led a comeback such as that.

We'll never know for sure but thats just my opinion.

I don't want or need to know if he would lead such a comeback. Gibbs, as usual, knows the situation and I believe that I would rather have Brunell show campbell the ropes, teach him the game. Ramsey has to be out of here after this season. I've always felt that way. Sitting in the stands in the philly game last year and watching Ramsey throw the interception in the closing moments of the game, I turned to my Father and said "we can't hitch our wagon to this guy" and never looked back. We will be fine, the ship will be right!

redskinz4ever · Post by **redskinz4ever** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:03 pm

i'll man up .....i said we would lose to the cowpunks ....i was wrong what a comeback,man i was so depressed the whole day and we got behind and looked so awful ..... i started to turn it off ...then BAM !!!!! OUR OFFENSE WOKE UP !!!! now hopefully this game and an off week we can get our offense rolling !!!!

GO RESKINS !!!!! :wink:

box8276 · Post by **box8276** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:05 pm

What a bunch of B.S. i'm reading. This was Brunell's 1st complete game where he was directly involved in the game planning with NEW receivers. Let us not forget that Brunell had the Dallas stigma (14 of 15) to carry on his shoulders. And it was the FIRST home game of the year for Dallas so u knew we were going to get their best. In the end, we never gave up. Skill is what Brunell and Moss showed at the end of the 4th WHEN IT REALLY MATTERED. No one can blast Brunell's arm now that he is Healthy. Our O will improve with the bye and am looking forward to an 3-0 start. The bottom line, would you had rather lost? Ramsey win IN dallas? LMAO what a joke. The man saved our season in my opinion cause he did something we hadnt done in ....i dont want to remember.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:05 pm

redskinz4ever wrote:i'll man up .....i said we would lose to the cowpunks ....i was wrong what a comeback,man i was so depressed the whole day and we got behind and looked so awful ..... i started to turn it off ...then BAM !!!!! OUR OFFENSE WOKE UP !!!! now hopefully this game and an off week we can get our offense rolling !!!!

GO RESKINS !!!!!

I always have hope for my team, I talked trash all day at church with the sad Ravens fans. Misery loves company. I'll be real too, I had my fears about the dallas game but like you I stuck i t out and was rewarded.

redskinz4ever · Post by **redskinz4ever** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:08 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
redskinz4ever wrote:i'll man up .....i said we would lose to the cowpunks ....i was wrong what a comeback,man i was so depressed the whole day and we got behind and looked so awful ..... i started to turn it off ...then BAM !!!!! OUR OFFENSE WOKE UP !!!! now hopefully this game and an off week we can get our offense rolling !!!!

GO RESKINS !!!!!

I always have hope for my team, I talked trash all day at church with the sad Ravens fans. Misery loves company. I'll be real too, I had my fears about the dallas game but like you I stuck i t out and was rewarded.

man what a freakin game !!!! i just wondered when would our offense was going to wake up ???

JPFair · Post by **JPFair** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:10 pm

Based on what?

Are you telling me you were perfectly happy the first 55 minutes of the game? And that you always knew that we would win?

I'm basing it on the fact that Brunell got the job done, when he needed to do it. But, the fact that we didn't score until the last 5 minutes is not what I'm concerned with . What I am pleased with, is that in spite of a torrid Dallas pass rush, a good game plan by the Dallas coaching staff, poor protection by our own offensive line, and outstanding play by our Defense, we were still in the game with a chance to win it. Brunell, while not putting up numbers or leading any scoring drives, had a good zip on the ball. Even the rainbow that he tossed into the end zone that missed by a foot, was a well thrown ball. Some of his passes were either under thrown or over thrown, that happens. But, his passes were tight spirals that had some pop in them. He showed mobility, composure, and was a genuine leader.

Those two TD passes late in the game were tight spirals and he hit Moss in stride, which is what we need. They were NOT flukes, nor were they handed to us on a silver platter. They were tight spirals and went right where they were meant to go, with the receivers running the right route.

Is this a reason to predict playoffs? No, not really. But, I think it highlights why Joe Gibbs has Brunell in there in the first place. I'd like to think that Ramsey could have done the same thing, but realistically speaking, I don't think Ramsey would have been as composed throughout the game, and more importantly, been able to hit Moss in stride when he needed it most. Brunell showed a few things that don't show on the stat sheet:

1- Leadership
2- Composure
3- Knowledge of the receivers routes.

Not only that, but he did so IN Dallas against a hell of a good defense. Up to last week, he hasn't been practicing with the starters, now he is. Perhaps, just maybe, HOPEFULLY, and with support, he'll begin to show better timing with the WR's, more stretching of the field, and more completions in the first three Quarters. But, it's something to build on, and honestly speaking, I think he's capable of improving on it. If he doens't, then Gibbs will adjust accordingly. But, Brunell has the confidence, and hopefully, will now have the support of the fans. Well, MOST of the fans anyway.

The Redskins, as a team, did not play very well in the first 3 Quarters last night, not just Brunell. But, through it all, Brunell was calm, in control, and his throws were not lacking in zip. I'm not overly optimistic, but from what I saw, I liked it. I have every reason to like it. We haven't had much of a chance to like what we've seen in years, and if it's something that can offer even a glimmer of hope, however small it might be, and however manufactured it is, then I'm all for it. I'd rather be hopefull, then full of doom and gloom. I'd prefer to support our QB, then bash our coach for his decisions. I'd prefer to see good in a win, as well as understand that improvement is necessary. I would rather be positive about the future, instead of throwing in the towel based on one decision by our coach. I would rather. I'd rather be optimistic about the future than be forced to be almost upset that we won with Brunell.

No matter what the situation is, I'm a fan, and I want our team to win. I will not bash a player, or coach, nor will I predict doom and gloom, unless I'm utterly convinced they're deserving of it. Right now, I think Brunell, as Coach Gibbs has said, gives us the best chance to win.

Instead of choosing to see the negative, which is a choice, I choose to see, and hope for, positive things. If I have to analyze, over analyze, pick at straws, to find that glimmer of hope that makes me proud to be a Redskins fan, then I'm willing to do it.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:11 pm

redskinz4ever wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:
redskinz4ever wrote:i'll man up .....i said we would lose to the cowpunks ....i was wrong what a comeback,man i was so depressed the whole day and we got behind and looked so awful ..... i started to turn it off ...then BAM !!!!! OUR OFFENSE WOKE UP !!!! now hopefully this game and an off week we can get our offense rolling !!!!

GO RESKINS !!!!!

I always have hope for my team, I talked trash all day at church with the sad Ravens fans. Misery loves company. I'll be real too, I had my fears about the dallas game but like you I stuck i t out and was rewarded.
man what a freakin game !!!! i just wondered when would our offense was going to wake up ???

Hopefully that was the wakeup call. Like Ive said in previous posts, Brunell doesn't have chemistry with these NEW WR's. Everyone is new to him and he didn't get the majority of snaps in the offseason. Anyone complaining TOO much has to expect some faultering. Our running game didn't help too much.

However, we showed promise. If we can get the passing game in sync over the bye, it'll open up our offense.

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:11 pm

box8276 wrote:What a bunch of B.S. i'm reading. This was Brunell's 1st complete game where he was directly involved in the game planning with NEW receivers. Let us not forget that Brunell had the Dallas stigma (14 of 15) to carry on his shoulders. And it was the FIRST home game of the year for Dallas so u knew we were going to get their best. In the end, we never gave up. Skill is what Brunell and Moss showed at the end of the 4th WHEN IT REALLY MATTERED. No one can blast Brunell's arm now that he is Healthy. Our O will improve with the bye and am looking forward to an 3-0 start. The bottom line, would you had rather lost? Ramsey win IN dallas? LMAO what a joke. The man saved our season in my opinion cause he did something we hadnt done in ....i dont want to remember.

box, we haven't always seen eye to eye, but that was dead on. the whole knock on brunell was that no one was afraid of his arm/deep pass. i think the two in a row probably raised a few defensive coaches eyes. they have to respect it now. not only did he do it. he backed it up and did it twice. it wasn't a fluke. something clicked with those two. and thats a good thing. if teams worry about moss too much, portis will make them look like fools. its good for the whole team.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:11 pm

I think what this did for the offense is it gave Gibbs the confidence in opening it up a bit more.

We can blame Brunnel all we want for the short passes, but he is throwing the balls, not calling the routes.

Gibbs has seen for himself that in the modern league you have to make the defenders defend every inch of the field. This game should not only give us confidence, but also persuade Gibbs to open it up a bit during the first 3 quarters and not just when we are behind.

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:14 pm

@JPFair,

I'm tired of all the holier-than-thou posts from people who are pretending that they "knew all along."

I'm thrilled that we pulled out a win. Brunell's 25-yard run and two TD passes were awesome. To be honest, I do have some concerns about the rest of the season, as a team, but I'm not even thinking about those right now.

And then I come to theHogs.net and see my fellow skins fans canibalizing eachother, saying "I told you so" and "eat your crow" only two games into the season.

So, tell me, what is so positive about being a complete jerk?

redskinz4ever · Post by **redskinz4ever** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:15 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
redskinz4ever wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:
redskinz4ever wrote:i'll man up .....i said we would lose to the cowpunks ....i was wrong what a comeback,man i was so depressed the whole day and we got behind and looked so awful ..... i started to turn it off ...then BAM !!!!! OUR OFFENSE WOKE UP !!!! now hopefully this game and an off week we can get our offense rolling !!!!

GO RESKINS !!!!!

I always have hope for my team, I talked trash all day at church with the sad Ravens fans. Misery loves company. I'll be real too, I had my fears about the dallas game but like you I stuck i t out and was rewarded.
man what a freakin game !!!! i just wondered when would our offense was going to wake up ???

Hopefully that was the wakeup call. Like Ive said in previous posts, Brunell doesn't have chemistry with these NEW WR's. Everyone is new to him and he didn't get the majority of snaps in the offseason. Anyone complaining TOO much has to expect some faultering. Our running game didn't help too much.

However, we showed promise. If we can get the passing game in sync over the bye, it'll open up our offense.

i feel the same way ....is seattle's D any good ???BRUNELL looked very good after the one pick,i guess it settled him down a bit !!!!

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:21 pm

cvillehog wrote:@JPFair,

I'm tired of all the holier-than-thou posts from people who are pretending that they "knew all along."

I'm thrilled that we pulled out a win. Brunell's 25-yard run and two TD passes were awesome. To be honest, I do have some concerns about the rest of the season, as a team, but I'm not even thinking about those right now.

And then I come to theHogs.net and see my fellow skins fans canibalizing eachother, saying "I told you so" and "eat your crow" only two games into the season.

So, tell me, what is so positive about being a complete jerk?

who's being a jerk? if we didn't win, don't you think it would be the other way? 'brunell still can't get it done', or 'gibbs has lost it'. point is, its all in good fun. i don't think anyone thinks they are better than anyone else here. just passing opinions. and eating crow at the moment is a good thing.

you are taking this way too seriously cville. loosen up, sandy baby.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:21 pm

cvillehog wrote:@JPFair,

I'm tired of all the holier-than-thou posts from people who are pretending that they "knew all along."

I'm thrilled that we pulled out a win. Brunell's 25-yard run and two TD passes were awesome. To be honest, I do have some concerns about the rest of the season, as a team, but I'm not even thinking about those right now.

And then I come to theHogs.net and see my fellow skins fans canibalizing eachother, saying "I told you so" and "eat your crow" only two games into the season.

So, tell me, what is so positive about being a complete jerk?

"Fire Joe Gibbs" Thats what started all of this. Whether or not DCD apologized or not and how people react to it is something he'll have to deal with. I dont particulary care, I dont hate the cat but I feel that what he said was dumb. Some people are going to rake him over the coals more than me.

My crow picture is what it is, people had to eat crow. We had our own fans give up on our team in a bad way. Everyone had their head down at some point in the game but some people really just gave up and I never do that. I played ball, its not over till 00:00.

Some people are being too sensitive.

Nobody knew Brunell was going to do what he did but Gibbs said that the cat was healed up. I went to the games and I saw his arm in person, Ive been saying he has the deep ball back. The problem is in his timing. He had Santana for a TD earlier but it was short. He had Patten for a few gimmes but they were short. He found the timing at the end. It tok work and concentration.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:23 pm

I'll be the first one to admit that I was very discurraged. Our offense wasn't doing anything. We had three great plays. Thats it. Now I don't think we need to fire Joe Gibbs but I think that someone needs to tell him to open it up a bit.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:25 pm

hailskins666 wrote:
cvillehog wrote:@JPFair,

I'm tired of all the holier-than-thou posts from people who are pretending that they "knew all along."

I'm thrilled that we pulled out a win. Brunell's 25-yard run and two TD passes were awesome. To be honest, I do have some concerns about the rest of the season, as a team, but I'm not even thinking about those right now.

And then I come to theHogs.net and see my fellow skins fans canibalizing eachother, saying "I told you so" and "eat your crow" only two games into the season.

So, tell me, what is so positive about being a complete jerk?
who's being a jerk? if we didn't win, don't you think it would be the other way? 'brunell still can't get it done', or 'gibbs has lost it'. point is, its all in good fun. i don't think anyone thinks they are better than anyone else here. just passing opinions. and eating crow at the moment is a good thing.

you are taking this way too seriously cville. loosen up, sandy baby.

Exactly! He hit the nail on the head.

We won and we had a "Fire Gibbs" thread.

If we lost we would have had that thread and MANY MANY MANY MANY more.

It goes both ways.

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:30 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
hailskins666 wrote:
cvillehog wrote:@JPFair,

I'm tired of all the holier-than-thou posts from people who are pretending that they "knew all along."

I'm thrilled that we pulled out a win. Brunell's 25-yard run and two TD passes were awesome. To be honest, I do have some concerns about the rest of the season, as a team, but I'm not even thinking about those right now.

And then I come to theHogs.net and see my fellow skins fans canibalizing eachother, saying "I told you so" and "eat your crow" only two games into the season.

So, tell me, what is so positive about being a complete jerk?
who's being a jerk? if we didn't win, don't you think it would be the other way? 'brunell still can't get it done', or 'gibbs has lost it'. point is, its all in good fun. i don't think anyone thinks they are better than anyone else here. just passing opinions. and eating crow at the moment is a good thing.

you are taking this way too seriously cville. loosen up, sandy baby.

Exactly! He hit the nail on the head.

We won and we had a "Fire Gibbs" thread.

If we lost we would have had that thread and MANY MANY MANY MANY more.

It goes both ways.

My point is, that thread was posted during the 4th quarter, before we scored any points. At that time, the only drives we had that didn't end in punts were turnovers!

Then, we had a miracle come-from-behind victory, and he posted and said he was wrong!

Then, in an amazing display of humility and graciousness, you led a dog pile of people telling him he isn't a real fan. If you step back and look at it, I think you'll agree that goes against your own stated moral position.