Ramsey just asked to be traded.

El Mexican · Post by **El Mexican** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:10 pm

CLANK! CLANK! CLANK!

Those are my thoughts now that Brunell is our starter.

This is just an awful decision. No amount of talk or money will make Ramsey confident anymore while he´s with the Skins.

How can some of you guys say that Brunel gives us the best chance to win? Did you see last year´s games at all? Here are Brunell stats: 49.8 completion porcentage, 1194 yards, 7 tds, 6 ints and a God awfull 5.04 yards per pass.

Here are Ramsey´s stats from last year (remeber he played two games less than Brunell): 62.1 completion porcentage, 1665 yards, 6.12 yards per pass, 10 tds and 11 ints.

Ramsey´s yards per pass on Sunday against the Bears? 9.5. Brunell´s? 5.0

--Swoosh!-- That was our season going down the toilet.

skins#1fan · Post by **skins#1fan** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:19 pm

El Mexican wrote:CLANK! CLANK! CLANK!

Does are my thoughts now that Brunell is our starter.

This is just an awful decision. No amount of talk or money will make Ramsey confident anymore while he´s with the Skins.

How can some of you guys say that Brunel gives us the best chance to win? Did you see last year´s games at all? Here are Brunell stats: 49.8 completion porcentage, 1194 yards, 7 tds, 6 ints and a God awfull 5.04 yards per pass.

Here are Ramsey´s stats from last year (remeber he played two games less than Brunell): 62.1 completion porcentage, 1665 yards, 6.12 yards per pass, 10 tds and 11 ints.

Ramsey´s yards per pass on Sunday against the Bears? 9.5. Brunell´s? 5.0

--Swoosh!-- That was our season going down the toilet.

no your wrong...Brunell didnt pass at all late in the game because we were ahead and our defense was playing awesome. Secondly this isnt last year and people can change in a year either for the good or for the bad. Case in point Ramsey didnt improve at all. He still shows no confidence in the pocket, and cant get rid of the ball quick enough. I am with you guys on the fact that I cant help but like Ramsey. He keeps his mouth shut and plays hard and is very loyal to his team. That is hard for me to let go of but I feel our team needs consistency in order to win. I also think in order for our offense to click they need to have confidence in our quarterback and I think they have more confidence in Brunell than Ramsey.

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:38 pm

Say all you want about Brunell playing against second-stringers and only throwing for 70 yards, but the truth is he looks 100% better than he did last year.

I dont know what happened, but his arm-strength looks much better. It had a lot of zip on it in the preseason, and on Sunday, he even managed to overthrow some recievers! That might not sound like much, but you need to remember how he spent all of last season throwing passes at recievers feet.

Remember that this guy is still one of the most efficent passers in NFL history. If his arm has improved, that could be enough for the Redskins offense to do some serious damage.

joeramse · Post by **joeramse** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:41 pm

Gibbs won't trade Ramsey...if Brunell gets injured Campbell is not ready. Gibbs wants to win more than anyone and he knows that he needs Mark and Patrick both.

coachKarl · Post by **coachKarl** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:50 pm

Gee, so much for this season, you proclaim that Patrick is the starter all off season then he gets hurt, so Brunell comes in , passes for a woping 70 yards and now he is the starter. Why did we get new wide outs to stretch the field ? Noodle are cant get the ball to the wideouts. So ,lets see, 9 men in the box, daring Brunell to throw, just like last year. Brunell sucks like a Hoover, we might win 5 games. Gibbs does not like Patrick as a player, so when Brunell has thrown 3 picks and fumbled a couple of times is he going to replace him ???? Nope, he has to justify the outrageous salary he gets. Our defense will keep the team in games but the offense will be just like last year. Trade Patrick so he can be a good QB somewhere else, and start playing Cambell, the Giants played Eli !!!

Champsturf · Post by **Champsturf** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:03 pm

coachKarl wrote:Gee, so much for this season, you proclaim that Patrick is the starter all off season then he gets hurt, so Brunell comes in , passes for a woping 70 yards and now he is the starter. Why did we get new wide outs to stretch the field ? Noodle are cant get the ball to the wideouts. So ,lets see, 9 men in the box, daring Brunell to throw, just like last year. Brunell sucks like a Hoover, we might win 5 games. Gibbs does not like Patrick as a player, so when Brunell has thrown 3 picks and fumbled a couple of times is he going to replace him ???? Nope, he has to justify the outrageous salary he gets. Our defense will keep the team in games but the offense will be just like last year. Trade Patrick so he can be a good QB somewhere else, and start playing Cambell, the Giants played Eli !!!

First thing karl, I hope all is well with you down there.

Secondly, I agree 100% with you. I'd rather develop Campbell and lose than just lose with Brunell. I am 100% Skins fan and will be rooting for them every week, but I would at least like to have a positive attitude going into every game. I was pumped this summer...football season couldn't get here fast enough. Now, I'm almost dreading each weekend. Oh well..it's just a game :roll:

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:04 pm

PatrickRamsey wrote:HOW CAN U BLAME RAMSEY? HIS COACH OBVISOULY DOESNT BELIVE IN HIM...

LETS START WHEN HE BROUGHT IN BRUNELL, THEN HE BRINGS IN CAMPBELL IN THE 1ST ROUND OF THE DRAFT, THEN GETS RID OF RAMSEY AFTER 3 OFFENSIVE POSSESIONS, I DONT BLAME HIM, AND I HOPE HE GOES TO ARIZONA, GO CARDS.

gay4pacman · Post by **gay4pacman** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:09 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
PatrickRamsey wrote:HOW CAN U BLAME RAMSEY? HIS COACH OBVISOULY DOESNT BELIVE IN HIM...

LETS START WHEN HE BROUGHT IN BRUNELL, THEN HE BRINGS IN CAMPBELL IN THE 1ST ROUND OF THE DRAFT, THEN GETS RID OF RAMSEY AFTER 3 OFFENSIVE POSSESIONS, I DONT BLAME HIM, AND I HOPE HE GOES TO ARIZONA, GO CARDS.

snap

El Mexican · Post by **El Mexican** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:21 pm

Some of you guys simply don´t have any recollection of what happened a "staggering" 12 months ago.

Brunell had his chance and he sucked. Big Time.

If you think he can be the savior of the team this season, then you simply follow Gibbs dogma like it where some kind of holy religion.

Please, guys! Take a look at the games from last year! It wasn´t that long ago.

Oh, I was forgetting something: CLANK! CLANK! CLANK!

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:23 pm

El Mexican wrote:Some of you guys simply don´t have any recollection of what happened a "staggering" 12 months ago.

Brunell had his chance and he sucked. Big Time.

If you think he can be the savior of the team this season, then you simply follow Gibbs dogma like it where some kind of holy religion.

Please, guys! Take a look at the games from last year! It wasn´t that long ago.

Brunells problem last year was arm strength. It has been revealed that he was injured. That explains his poor throwing. His reads and check downs were on point, he couldn't deliver the ball.

However during this preseason he was able to do those things. Im not saying he should be in there but he's not as bad as he was last season.

Hoss · Post by **Hoss** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:29 pm

I'm sure they are both "swell" guys, and I could make an argument for either one.
That said, I will have to defer to the head coach.

Decision made. Let's gear up for what's important. Time of reckoning if you will.

Beat the PUKES :puke:

El Mexican · Post by **El Mexican** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:42 pm

CLL: you know as well as I do that preseason performance means crap. That CANNOT be a measuring stick for our QBs.

Brunell´s arm strength? He´s got it all right...to throw the ball out of bounds.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:04 am

El Mexican wrote:CLL: you know as well as I do that preseason performance means crap. That CANNOT be a measuring stick for our QBs.

Brunell´s arm strength? He´s got it all right...to throw the ball out of bounds.

Yes it can. A play is a play. Execution is execution whether if its done during mini-camps, preseason, training camp or in the back seat of my car.

Brunell made the throws, Ramsey didn't. The proof is in the pudding.

Heres another tidbit. Ramsey threw 4 INTs this preseason? What did he do within the 1st few minutes of play during the regular season. SHOCK!!! :shock:

AWE!!!

He threw another pick. Who woulda thunk?

VRIEL1 · Post by **VRIEL1** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:14 am

You know I for one liked Ramsey..rooted for Ramsey....screamed to have hime put into the game every game last year. and Ramsey did a lot better! however....neither Qb knew the system very well. Gibb's system is slightly complicated which is why he likes smart players (how shcroder made it I don't know). Looking back Brunell under threw all receivers, was sacked several times, threw interseptions and looked lost. Ramsey looked better but over threw his receivers.
I also take note that Ramsey really has not done well in the pro's except take hits. Yea he could air it out in Spuriers rendition of Run and Shoot offense but when you throw enough balls your bound to score some. It's the law of percentages. But all in all he is what he is...a 50/60 percentage Qb. Now maybe putting him in the west coast offense with it's dink and dunk offense he will thrive, but to be honest he has not picked up on the hot reads or fake pump to draw the safeties or looking a receiver off to draw the defense to the wrong receiver. He drops back and has happy feet in the pocket. he dances around in their instead of planting and throwing. He stares WR's down and holds the ball to long then tries to make something happen which either results in an interception or fumble.
Brunell has been better in preseason. Yes probubly because it's second string but alot of the details Ramsey does not have Brunell does. Brunell explains his piss poor throwing to his leg injury and not being able to plant. I can only belive that this is true because he has thrown long passes this year and the passes have been sharp and on point. No happy feet no dancing in the pocket. No standing there waiting for the mack truck to hit him...he gets out of the pocket and throws the ball away if needed. Ramsey had all offseason to learn the offense...train in it and lead it. I think he took to many shots under Spuriers coaching and he is skittish. I belive Gibbs see's this and knows Ramsey is having a hard time relaxing, and this is what is causing turnovers.
I'll back Gibbs on this call and hope Brunell continues to move the ball and hopefully finds a way to get the ball into the endzone. If he can't then send in the Qb of the furture nothings better then experience.

Fios · Post by **Fios** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:41 am

El Mexican wrote:CLANK! CLANK! CLANK!

Those are my thoughts now that Brunell is our starter.

Holy crap, you're a robot? That's totally sweet

joebagadonuts · Post by **joebagadonuts** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 8:22 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
El Mexican wrote:Some of you guys simply don´t have any recollection of what happened a "staggering" 12 months ago.

Brunell had his chance and he sucked. Big Time.

If you think he can be the savior of the team this season, then you simply follow Gibbs dogma like it where some kind of holy religion.

Please, guys! Take a look at the games from last year! It wasn´t that long ago.

Brunells problem last year was arm strength. It has been revealed that he was injured. That explains his poor throwing. His reads and check downs were on point, he couldn't deliver the ball.

However during this preseason he was able to do those things. Im not saying he should be in there but he's not as bad as he was last season.

y'know, all the brunell backers (not that i'm calling you one, chris) seem to be okay with using excuses such as 'he was injured' or 'that was last year' to explain brunell's sucky play. but when ramsey backers use excuses such as 'he's still learning' or ' he can't throw with his head separated from his body', the brunell backers jump all over it.

i'm beginning to get over this decision (mostly because i'm obsessed with the fact that i'll miss the first half of the dallas game because abc is a bunch of idiots), but it seems to me that we have two qbs who have been sucky, and if one of them doesn't step it up, we're in for a looooooong season.

Fios · Post by **Fios** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 8:55 am

The fact that we have to make excuses for either starting QB is not exactly a reason to celebrate. I'll take competent QB play at this point and if Brunell fits that mold, fine.

skins81 · Post by **skins81** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:27 am

Fios wrote:The fact that we have to make excuses for either starting QB is not exactly a reason to celebrate. I'll take competent QB play at this point and if Brunell fits that mold, fine.

Well Dallas is going to force Brunell to prove himself. I didn't watch the game, but Dallas held Tomlinson to 72 yds on 19 carries. They will try to do the same to Portis, and it will open up possibilities in the passing game. It's up to Brunell. I just don't want to see Moss use his speed to get a step, only to have Brunell underthrow the pass cause he doesn't have the strength anymore.
Brunell needs to show his arm can throw a 30 yard pass accurately.

sch1977 · Post by **sch1977** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:42 am

skins81 wrote:
Fios wrote:The fact that we have to make excuses for either starting QB is not exactly a reason to celebrate. I'll take competent QB play at this point and if Brunell fits that mold, fine.

Well Dallas is going to force Brunell to prove himself. I didn't watch the game, but Dallas held Tomlinson to 72 yds on 19 carries. They will try to do the same to Portis, and it will open up possibilities in the passing game. It's up to Brunell. I just don't want to see Moss use his speed to get a step, only to have Brunell underthrow the pass cause he doesn't have the strength anymore.
Brunell needs to show his arm can throw a 30 yard pass accurately.

They didnt Hold LT to 72 yards. SD was forced to throw the ball because neither team has a defense. What do you mean Brunell under throw passes? Did you see some touch on Patricks passes that the rest of us missed?

runbillo · Post by **runbillo** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:44 am

joebagadonuts wrote:
runbillo wrote:Greetings from NYC: Things will not bold well for Mr Ramsy if indeed he asked to be traded. Just ask Rod Gardner or Mr Coles.

JBD: Mr. Coles, Mr. Gardner, you both asked to be traded. HOw did that work out for you?

Mr. Coles: Well, I got traded back to my original team, and now I'm back working with a quarterback and head coach I'm familiar with. We have a shot at the playoffs, if Chad can stay healthy. And I got to keep all that cashola from my former team, while sticking them with a huge cap hit. Hey, watch the toe.

Mr. Gardner: Sorry. Me, I got traded to an NFC contender, a team that many are picking to go to the 'Bowl. I may not the number one guy here, but at least I don't have to listen to chants of '50/50' anymore.

Redskins 1-0, Jets 0-1 ( Chad 6 fumbles ) Panthers 0-1 ( Gardner 0 catchs )

joebagadonuts · Post by **joebagadonuts** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:46 am

it's early. check back at the end of the season, and we'll see which teams are playing extra games.

and the point was, i would venture to guess that both players are happier where they are than they were here. they asked to be traded, they were, and i would guess that both truly feel that they're better off.

skins81 · Post by **skins81** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:39 am

sch1977 wrote:They didnt Hold LT to 72 yards. SD was forced to throw the ball because neither team has a defense. What do you mean Brunell under throw passes? Did you see some touch on Patricks passes that the rest of us missed?

I'm just going by the line. His longest run was 10 yards and he had 19 carries.
Last year wasn't that long ago. I remember Brunell's arm. It looked better in preseason, but I'm not quite a believer.
As for Ramsey's touch, I never said that.

El Mexican · Post by **El Mexican** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:55 am

Whatch last year's tapes again. Brunell had a terrible time most of the 9 games he was our starter. Ramsey fared better in the 7 games he started. Plain and simple.

What more proof do you want that Brunell sucks?

I´m sorry but if you can´t see that, some of you guys here are simply blinded by the Gibbs dogma.

For the record: CLANK! (There goes another Brunell pass to the recevers shoes).

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:58 am

El Mexican wrote:Whatch last year's tapes again. Brunell had a terrible time most of the 9 games he was our starter. Ramsey fared better in the 7 games he started. Plain and simple.

What more proof do you want that Brunell sucks?

I´m sorry but if you can´t see that, some of you guys here are simply blinded by the Gibbs dogma.

For the record: CLANK! (There goes another Brunell pass to the recevers shoes).

What would you like to do about it?

thaiphoon · Post by **thaiphoon** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:03 pm

What would you like to do about it?

I think this board offers him the opportunity to do something about it. Which is vent his anger/frustration.

Wouldn't you agree? Or is this board only for those who agree with everything Gibbs and the Redskins do 100% of the time?

Many of us will always root for the Redskins no matter if we, after honestly looking at the two teams, think they will lose. Its called being a fan, but not living in fantasyland.