Root For Patrick!

Clinton Portis · Post by **Clinton Portis** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:01 pm

Root for him to get back in!

He will get his chance this year!

Mark will prove inefficient again, and Ramsey will save the day.

GO RAMSEY!

SkinsLaVar · Post by **SkinsLaVar** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:02 pm

redskins56 · Post by **redskins56** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:08 pm

word to the 2nd power...

Redskins4Life · Post by **Redskins4Life** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:11 pm

I got an idea. If Brunell plays well, keep him in. If he plays like he does last year take him out just as soon as we did with Patrick. Regardless of how crappy Brunell played last season and how much better I think Ramsey is, Brunell has outplayed him in every possible way. The job's Brunell's for now

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:12 pm

Why would you want Brunnell to be inefficient. That is like hoping we will loose.???

Are you sure you want to go on record as officially hoping the Skins loose games, just so you can see Ramsey back in there???

portis26 · Post by **portis26** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:13 pm

I will root for Brunell and Ramsey -- whoever plays.

I just wish Ramsey got a fair shot at it.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:14 pm

I've always been one of Ramsey's biggest fans and I'll root for him.
I'll root for him to understand what has caused him to be a backup again, and for him to overcome those issuses
I'll root for him to be ready if and/or when he is needed.
I'll root for him while I'm rooting for Mark and the rest of the Redskins.
I'll also root for Brunell to prove you all wrong

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:21 pm

1niksder wrote:I've always been one of Ramsey's biggest fans and I'll root for him.
I'll root for him to understand what has caused him to be a backup again, and for him to overcome those issuses
I'll root for him to be ready if and/or when he is needed.
I'll root for him while I'm rooting for Mark and the rest of the Redskins.
I'll also root for Brunell to prove you all wrong

I like that attitude because in the end winning is all that matters.

FanofallthatisGibbs · Post by **FanofallthatisGibbs** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:24 pm

Ramsey threw TDs and INTs.

Brunell has done neither yet, I think...

I think Brunell will be fine, but not get us many wins. By year's end someone other than Brunell will likely be the QB. Brunell is gonna slow down and look like he did last year after he takes a sack or two...

That's all... Let's just hope we can find a win in big D, but I am sadly doubtful unless it is special teams and Def. TDs that get it done.

welch · Post by **welch** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:25 pm

I root for the Redskins. Not for Ramsey, or Brunell, Campbell, or any QB in particular.

If I was making the choice, then Sonny would be the QB.

Since it's not my choice, luckily for other Redskin fans, and since Gibbs has seen all the practices and evaluated all the films, and since Gibbs knows quarterbacks, I'll trust his judgement.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:36 pm

I root for the Redskins. Not for Ramsey, or Brunell, Campbell, or any QB in particular. .... and since Gibbs knows quarterbacks, I'll trust his judgement.

I'll go with that too and the other positive thinkers around here!

This is the season, this is the time to give our support to the team and whoever gets to play that week. These are the games that count, not last year or 2 years ago. This is the time to begin a win streak against the pukes.

I want a win before that fat fish coach leaves! We may not get another chance in dallass!

redskins56 · Post by **redskins56** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:44 pm

Redskins4Life wrote:I got an idea. If Brunell plays well, keep him in. If he plays like he does last year take him out just as soon as we did with Patrick. Regardless of how crappy Brunell played last season and how much better I think Ramsey is, Brunell has outplayed him in every possible way. The job's Brunell's for now

Firstly, I did see that you were a Ramsey fan, but you made a point I had to vent at...

It's one thing to say that Brunell should start because he makes less mistakes, or for the simple fact that he, unlike Patrick Ramsey, is Joe Gibbs' boy, but don't say that Brunell has outplayed him.

Scratch that. Say whatever you want, that's why we're all here, but ther's not a way to back that up.

The only football we can base our analysis off of is last year, the preseason, and Sunday.

The preseason is an unfair meter in that Ramsey played NFL starters, not to mention four of the league's top 15 defenses, and Brunell played against backups. I'll come back to that though. I know for a fact you don't want me to hold your hand and bring you back to what happened last year. That'll go ugly as soon as I point out his god-awful numbers and you counter with, "But he was hurt and now he's better." So we'll stay away from that. The numbers speak for themselves, look at them.

Firstly, the preseason---
The closest thing to a dress rehearsal came in week three, a win over the Steelers. Ramsey was one poor ball away from being flawless, that poor ball of course resulted in a Steelers scrore. It was later professed by James Thrash that he didn't make the right bailout read, and that he, not Ramsey should be faulted. Nonetheless, people like you see an interception and automatically fault the player who threw it, not taking into effect the many variables that go into each play.

Last season---
Ramsey won three of his final five starts, and it would have been four if not for a defensive breakdown in Dallas. I'm sorry Ramsey didn't do a better job making sure the secondary didn't give up a final minute score. If the defense holds as they did all year long, Ramsey is 4-1 in his last 5 games, one of those wins coming in the form of a 19-22, three touchdown performance. The lone loss to the hands of the conference champion Eagles, allbeit by just three points, and the ball in field goal range in the closing moments.

Those are the two chapters we have to look at in analyzing Ramsey. That brings us to Sunday, when Ramsey's final drive tallied 80yards on 8-plays, the ninth, a TD pass to Chris Cool

ey called back on a questionable pushoff. To fault the guy for fumbling when he almost died his silly. He threw a bad ball, it got picked off, and didn't end up leading to any points. He forgot about it, so did his receivers, and it showed as he went for over 100 yards on his next 5 completions.

Brunell played three quarters of three-field goal football, and amassed 70 yards on 8 completions. Congratulations to all of you who say he doens't make mistakes, because he didn't make any glaring miscues again this week. He also didn't do anything to risk making mistakes, like going up top to stretch the field. Oh wait, my mind must have alluded me for a moment. He did, and was picked off, a play called back on a legitamite Chicago penalty. The 36-yard penalty came on a pass that was as end over end as an Andy Groom punt, and looked like something he would have sent into the air last year.

Congratulations bro, you got what you want. I hope you enjoyed watching our watered down passing game, and garbage offensive output all year last year, because it's coming back starting on Monday. Brunell won't throw many picks, you are right. He also won't hit any home runs, or take any pressure off of Clinton Portis. The guy went from a 5.5 career ypc average to 3.8 last season for a reason, and it wasn't because he wasn't running as hard. When you can't get the ball downfield, defense stack the box, something Portis will be seeing again all year long, whenver your boy is under center.

---GEEEPZ---

ComebackSkins · Post by **ComebackSkins** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:51 pm

I'm gonna root for brunnel...but if he sticks it up while im at FedEX field, im letting myself be heard. Chanting Ramsey or even Campbells name.

It's my opinion that Ramsey should have the starting job at least 2 more weeks, but I dont make that decision.

Hoss · Post by **Hoss** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:25 pm

redskins56 wrote:
Redskins4Life wrote:I got an idea. If Brunell plays well, keep him in. If he plays like he does last year take him out just as soon as we did with Patrick. Regardless of how crappy Brunell played last season and how much better I think Ramsey is, Brunell has outplayed him in every possible way. The job's Brunell's for now

Firstly, I did see that you were a Ramsey fan, but you made a point I had to vent at...

It's one thing to say that Brunell should start because he makes less mistakes, or for the simple fact that he, unlike Patrick Ramsey, is Joe Gibbs' boy, but don't say that Brunell has outplayed him.

Scratch that. Say whatever you want, that's why we're all here, but ther's not a way to back that up.

The only football we can base our analysis off of is last year, the preseason, and Sunday.

The preseason is an unfair meter in that Ramsey played NFL starters, not to mention four of the league's top 15 defenses, and Brunell played against backups. I'll come back to that though. I know for a fact you don't want me to hold your hand and bring you back to what happened last year. That'll go ugly as soon as I point out his god-awful numbers and you counter with, "But he was hurt and now he's better." So we'll stay away from that. The numbers speak for themselves, look at them.

Firstly, the preseason---
The closest thing to a dress rehearsal came in week three, a win over the Steelers. Ramsey was one poor ball away from being flawless, that poor ball of course resulted in a Steelers scrore. It was later professed by James Thrash that he didn't make the right bailout read, and that he, not Ramsey should be faulted. Nonetheless, people like you see an interception and automatically fault the player who threw it, not taking into effect the many variables that go into each play.

Last season---
Ramsey won three of his final five starts, and it would have been four if not for a defensive breakdown in Dallas. I'm sorry Ramsey didn't do a better job making sure the secondary didn't give up a final minute score. If the defense holds as they did all year long, Ramsey is 4-1 in his last 5 games, one of those wins coming in the form of a 19-22, three touchdown performance. The lone loss to the hands of the conference champion Eagles, allbeit by just three points, and the ball in field goal range in the closing moments.

Those are the two chapters we have to look at in analyzing Ramsey. That brings us to Sunday, when Ramsey's final drive tallied 80yards on 8-plays, the ninth, a TD pass to Chris ey called back on a questionable pushoff. To fault the guy for fumbling when he almost died his silly. He threw a bad ball, it got picked off, and didn't end up leading to any points. He forgot about it, so did his receivers, and it showed as he went for over 100 yards on his next 5 completions.

Brunell played three quarters of three-field goal football, and amassed 70 yards on 8 completions. Congratulations to all of you who say he doens't make mistakes, because he didn't make any glaring miscues again this week. He also didn't do anything to risk making mistakes, like going up top to stretch the field. Oh wait, my mind must have alluded me for a moment. He did, and was picked off, a play called back on a legitamite Chicago penalty. The 36-yard penalty came on a pass that was as end over end as an Andy Groom punt, and looked like something he would have sent into the air last year.

Congratulations bro, you got what you want. I hope you enjoyed watching our watered down passing game, and garbage offensive output all year last year, because it's coming back starting on Monday. Brunell won't throw many picks, you are right. He also won't hit any home runs, or take any pressure off of Clinton Portis. The guy went from a 5.5 career ypc average to 3.8 last season for a reason, and it wasn't because he wasn't running as hard. When you can't get the ball downfield, defense stack the box, something Portis will be seeing again all year long, whenver your boy is under center.

---GEEEPZ---

Wow, excellent post

skinsfano28 · Post by **skinsfano28** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:26 pm

im with 1niksder. that list is perfect, and its what i've been trying to say but haven't been able to put into words. :hail:

Redskins1974 · Post by **Redskins1974** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:43 pm

I'll root for the Redskins...Thanks

1fan4ramsey · Post by **1fan4ramsey** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:45 pm

Redskins4Life wrote:I got an idea. If Brunell plays well, keep him in. If he plays like he does last year take him out just as soon as we did with Patrick. Regardless of how crappy Brunell played last season and how much better I think Ramsey is, Brunell has outplayed him in every possible way. The job's Brunell's for now

What do we do if he stinks it up and Gibbs DOESN"T take him out. As far as I'm concerned Brunell stunk it up in the game against the Bears, and he was named the starter.

sch1977 · Post by **sch1977** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:18 pm

1fan4ramsey wrote:
Redskins4Life wrote:I got an idea. If Brunell plays well, keep him in. If he plays like he does last year take him out just as soon as we did with Patrick. Regardless of how crappy Brunell played last season and how much better I think Ramsey is, Brunell has outplayed him in every possible way. The job's Brunell's for now

What do we do if he stinks it up and Gibbs DOESN"T take him out. As far as I'm concerned Brunell stunk it up in the game against the Bears, and he was named the starter.

Did we or did we not win the game against a tough Bears defense? I think Gibbs might know a little bit more than the rest of us, dont you?

1fan4ramsey · Post by **1fan4ramsey** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:30 pm

sch1977 wrote:
1fan4ramsey wrote:
Redskins4Life wrote:I got an idea. If Brunell plays well, keep him in. If he plays like he does last year take him out just as soon as we did with Patrick. Regardless of how crappy Brunell played last season and how much better I think Ramsey is, Brunell has outplayed him in every possible way. The job's Brunell's for now

What do we do if he stinks it up and Gibbs DOESN"T take him out. As far as I'm concerned Brunell stunk it up in the game against the Bears, and he was named the starter.

Did we or did we not win the game against a tough Bears defense? I think Gibbs might know a little bit more than the rest of us, dont you?

9 points won't win many baseball games

skins#1fan · Post by **skins#1fan** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:31 pm

ok first of all you guys dont realize how things work in the NFL or with Gibbs system. Entering a new year everyone has a clean slate. You have to prove yourself to get a spot on the team. During preason Ramsey showed some bright spots but that go overshadowed by huge mistakes. Those huge mistakes found a way to hurt us a lot more than his good plays did to help us.

Secondly I am sick of hearing this first string second string stuff during the preseason. Brunell was going against a second string defense but he also had second string receivers and a second string o line. More importanly it doesnt matter who is covering who, when Brunell had a guy wide open during preseason he hit him on stride most of the time. When Ramsey had a guy wide open it didnt get there as much as it should have. That is just the basics, get the ball on target to the open guy.

Last but not least...I have asked this question like 10 times and no one answered me yet...If both Ramsey and Brunell came into this season with a clean slate and we have never seen or heard of either one, based on practice and preseason who would be our starter? It would clearly be Brunell and everyone knows that. Why dont you guys listen to Sonny Gergunson, he even said at this point Brunell has outplayed Ramsey and looks more comfortable and more like a leader. How can you disagree with Sonny and Joe Gibbs? Brunell may not look perfect by any means but he is the best we got RIGHT NOW!

1fan4ramsey · Post by **1fan4ramsey** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:39 pm

skins#1fan wrote:ok first of all you guys dont realize how things work in the NFL or with Gibbs system. Entering a new year everyone has a clean slate. You have to prove yourself to get a spot on the team. During preason Ramsey showed some bright spots but that go overshadowed by huge mistakes. Those huge mistakes found a way to hurt us a lot more than his good plays did to help us.

Secondly I am sick of hearing this first string second string stuff during the preseason. Brunell was going against a second string defense but he also had second string receivers and a second string o line. More importanly it doesnt matter who is covering who, when Brunell had a guy wide open during preseason he hit him on stride most of the time. When Ramsey had a guy wide open it didnt get there as much as it should have. That is just the basics, get the ball on target to the open guy.

Last but not least...I have asked this question like 10 times and no one answered me yet...If both Ramsey and Brunell came into this season with a clean slate and we have never seen or heard of either one, based on practice and preseason who would be our starter? It would clearly be Brunell and everyone knows that. Why dont you guys listen to Sonny Gergunson, he even said at this point Brunell has outplayed Ramsey and looks more comfortable and more like a leader. How can you disagree with Sonny and Joe Gibbs? Brunell may not look perfect by any means but he is the best we got RIGHT NOW!

Ramsey gives you the best chance to win right now. We've got wideouts capable of stretching the field and noone to get them the ball. Our offense becomes very one dimensional with Brunell at the helm, see example last year. If Gibb's and crew were coaching in Philly I'd guess he'd bench McNabb for his horrible play on Monday night.

SkinsHead56 · Post by **SkinsHead56** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:53 pm

1fan4ramsey wrote:
skins#1fan wrote:ok first of all you guys dont realize how things work in the NFL or with Gibbs system. Entering a new year everyone has a clean slate. You have to prove yourself to get a spot on the team. During preason Ramsey showed some bright spots but that go overshadowed by huge mistakes. Those huge mistakes found a way to hurt us a lot more than his good plays did to help us.

Secondly I am sick of hearing this first string second string stuff during the preseason. Brunell was going against a second string defense but he also had second string receivers and a second string o line. More importanly it doesnt matter who is covering who, when Brunell had a guy wide open during preseason he hit him on stride most of the time. When Ramsey had a guy wide open it didnt get there as much as it should have. That is just the basics, get the ball on target to the open guy.

Last but not least...I have asked this question like 10 times and no one answered me yet...If both Ramsey and Brunell came into this season with a clean slate and we have never seen or heard of either one, based on practice and preseason who would be our starter? It would clearly be Brunell and everyone knows that. Why dont you guys listen to Sonny Gergunson, he even said at this point Brunell has outplayed Ramsey and looks more comfortable and more like a leader. How can you disagree with Sonny and Joe Gibbs? Brunell may not look perfect by any means but he is the best we got RIGHT NOW!

Ramsey gives you the best chance to win right now. We've got wideouts capable of stretching the field and noone to get them the ball. Our offense becomes very one dimensional with Brunell at the helm, see example last year. If Gibb's and crew were coaching in Philly I'd guess he'd bench McNabb for his horrible play on Monday night.

No McNabb has proven he can get through slumps, Ramsey has been in a four year slump.

1fan4ramsey · Post by **1fan4ramsey** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:57 pm

SkinsHead56 wrote:
1fan4ramsey wrote:
skins#1fan wrote:ok first of all you guys dont realize how things work in the NFL or with Gibbs system. Entering a new year everyone has a clean slate. You have to prove yourself to get a spot on the team. During preason Ramsey showed some bright spots but that go overshadowed by huge mistakes. Those huge mistakes found a way to hurt us a lot more than his good plays did to help us.

Secondly I am sick of hearing this first string second string stuff during the preseason. Brunell was going against a second string defense but he also had second string receivers and a second string o line. More importanly it doesnt matter who is covering who, when Brunell had a guy wide open during preseason he hit him on stride most of the time. When Ramsey had a guy wide open it didnt get there as much as it should have. That is just the basics, get the ball on target to the open guy.

Last but not least...I have asked this question like 10 times and no one answered me yet...If both Ramsey and Brunell came into this season with a clean slate and we have never seen or heard of either one, based on practice and preseason who would be our starter? It would clearly be Brunell and everyone knows that. Why dont you guys listen to Sonny Gergunson, he even said at this point Brunell has outplayed Ramsey and looks more comfortable and more like a leader. How can you disagree with Sonny and Joe Gibbs? Brunell may not look perfect by any means but he is the best we got RIGHT NOW!

Ramsey gives you the best chance to win right now. We've got wideouts capable of stretching the field and noone to get them the ball. Our offense becomes very one dimensional with Brunell at the helm, see example last year. If Gibb's and crew were coaching in Philly I'd guess he'd bench McNabb for his horrible play on Monday night.

No McNabb has proven he can get through slumps, Ramsey has been in a four year slump.

He's NEVER been given a chance in a legitimate NFL offense, this was his only real chance, all 26 snaps.

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:58 pm

1fan4ramsey wrote:He's NEVER been given a chance in a legitimate NFL offense, this was his only real chance, all 26 snaps.

right... we'll just throw the other 33 games out the window.. :roll:

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:59 pm

I, too, am rooting for whomever is on the field.