Ramsey just asked to be traded.

[The Hogster]

yes, i remember mark rypien quite well. what happened once he got to keep playing and develop as a QB? oh, that's right- we won the superbowl! i've said this time and time again- the only way you learn is through experience. the only way you improve in games is through playing in games. practicing is obviously prerequisite, but practicing alone won't do it. yes, ramsey makes too many mistakes. but after his slow start, he was starting to toast the bears defense.

patrick ramsey has started 24 games in the NFL. that is exactly a season and a half. what do you expect out of a 2nd year QB halfway through the season? it is an addage that QBs take about 3 season to develop. sitting on the bench doesn't count as development. compare to other QBs:

PATRICK RAMSEY AFTER 24 STARTS: 33 TDs, 29 INTs
PEYTON MANNING AFTER 24 STARTS: 40 TDs, 36 INTs
BRETT FAVRE AFTER 29 STARTS: 37 TDs, 39 INTs

i'm not saying ramsey is a great QB. as i looked around stats, there are plenty of good QBs who didn't start so slow. i wish we could get a great QB like that. all i'm saying is, ramsey still has time to redeem himself if he gets a shot. i thought his play looked promising on sunday. but now we'll never know.

i feel like taking the gamble on ramsey is probably a better investment of our season than banking it on brunell. i hope gibbs/brunell prove me wrong on monday night against dallas.

Yeah, my point exactly, Rypien lead us to the SB after being BENCHED..when he came back he eliminated his mistakes and voila....the team worked.

[frankcal20]

I really don't feel like we are going to win if Brunell is out there.

I watched the game when Ramsey was in there. What he was doing with the pass that was picked off was he was trying to put it in there where only Moss could get it but Moss didnt jump. The package that they ran had two receivers running their routes way too close and none of our receivers went for the ball. So in Ramseys defense thats why it was picked off.

As far as him not doing anything when he was in the game. Watch the game again. He was moving the ball on that last drive especially. We were in the RedZone and Jansen got beat (like he did all day) on a blitz. They sent 2 guys on his side and protection was nonexistant. Jansen pushed the D-End into Ramsey and thats when he got hurt.

As far as Brunell, he just doesnt get it done in the Redzone. How many fieldgoals did we get last year when we had 1st and goal. I don't know the number. I'm sure someone has time to find out but atleast with Ramsey he's willing to take a risk and get the ball in there to a receiver. Brunell loves throwing it in the 10th row after 5 seconds of looking for receivers.

[gregory smith]

Patrick will undoubtedly be traded, but probably not until after the season. The only way we trade him now is if someone offers way too much for him. The fact is Jason Campbell is not ready yet and Brunell would be really lucky to finish the season (if not October) from a health standpoint. I like the move to start Brunell, but we need someone, besides the rookie, that knows the offense. If someone comes along and offers a 2nd round pick I'd say do it now, but I don't see that happening. In fact, I don't so much value in Ramsey. Maybe a 4th rounder. So why not make this deal in the offseason. I would however trade him in a heartbeat for a good pass rusher.

[DCGloryYears828791]

Patrick will undoubtedly be traded, but probably not until after the season. The only way we trade him now is if someone offers way too much for him. The fact is Jason Campbell is not ready yet and Brunell would be really lucky to finish the season (if not October) from a health standpoint. I like the move to start Brunell, but we need someone, besides the rookie, that knows the offense. If someone comes along and offers a 2nd round pick I'd say do it now, but I don't see that happening. In fact, I don't so much value in Ramsey. Maybe a 4th rounder. So why not make this deal in the offseason. I would however trade him in a heartbeat for a good pass rusher.

Isn't Patrick an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year? If so then we need to move him while we can get something in return or that means two of our #1 picks (50/50 and Ramsey) would have left for nothing!

[gregory smith]

Patrick is under contract through next year.

[The Hogster]

How many excuses do we have to make for Ramsey? There has been an excuse for every one of his turnovers. Receiver didn't jump? I was watching, and you are right there were two receivers really close to one another, and Ramsey missed both of them and threw a bullet between the two receivers and straight to the two defenders.

The fumble of course wasn't his fault....heck nothing is his fault. He's great.

[gus]

Ramsey hasn't lived up to his 1st round expectations. He had his chance and didn' (or couldn't) take them. Every back up in the league is waiting his time in the sun to prove themselves, just to mention a few I can think of Bulger/Warner, Brady/Bledsoe, Roethlisberger/Maddux. Ramsey has had like a million chances, what is he waiting for, a fairy godmother? I really hope he gets traded and get something out for him.

As for Brunnell, Gibbs better run him with a tight rope also, cause I'm running out of pattience with this QB s$%t.

HaiL,

[ComebackSkins]

so is he being traded?


on sports 980 they said ESPN reported him wanting to be traded, but apperently he denied it on comcast sportsnet...


:dunno:

[runbillo]

Greetings from NYC: Things will not bold well for Mr Ramsy if indeed he asked to be traded. Just ask Rod Gardner or Mr Coles. In a perfect world Pat would have learned from Mark how to handle this situation with class. No one not even Mr Gibbs himseolf can put his own interests ahead of the intrestes of the team.

[thaiphoon]

Ramsey hasn't received a million chances. He was a rookie in 2002 so enough said. He started in 2003 and did well in Spurrier ball before it got him killed and he was injured. 2004 rolls around and he sits the bench while Gibbs lets Brunell throw passes to the ants doing an 8yd hitch on the ground. This was the against the "Easier" teams in the schedule. By the time Gibbs was fed up with Brunell last year we were going against the tougher defenses and better teams. Ramsey did well in the last part of the season. The offense moved the ball even with Coles and Gardner (both of whom I can clock with an egg timer and never get separation) running routes. Brunell looked better going against 2nd string and third string players this preseason.

Ramsey has had exactly 24 games to play...his progress in those 24 games is roughly on par with some of the QB's who might start in your fantasy leagues (Peyton, Brett,etc...). simply put the kid needs to play. This benching better be short term b/c we'll be 1-1 after Monday night when Dallas pins their ears back and goes after Portis (who is one of my RB's and whose fantasy value just went down).

[joebagadonuts]

Greetings from NYC: Things will not bold well for Mr Ramsy if indeed he asked to be traded. Just ask Rod Gardner or Mr Coles.

JBD: Mr. Coles, Mr. Gardner, you both asked to be traded. HOw did that work out for you?

Mr. Coles: Well, I got traded back to my original team, and now I'm back working with a quarterback and head coach I'm familiar with. We have a shot at the playoffs, if Chad can stay healthy. And I got to keep all that cashola from my former team, while sticking them with a huge cap hit. Hey, watch the toe.

Mr. Gardner: Sorry. Me, I got traded to an NFC contender, a team that many are picking to go to the 'Bowl. I may not the number one guy here, but at least I don't have to listen to chants of '50/50' anymore.

[patjam77]

just a thought... not sure if it was touched upon and i apologize in advance if it has been.
with the bye week after monday night could this be a situation where brunell get a last audition? if he beats the cowboys or just plays well he'll keep the job going into the bye week or is this just for this week and ramsey will get 3 weeks to get it together? i mean if brunell plays horrible will joe switch back to patrick versus seattle?
i don't care who QB's... do i think our best QB is ramsey? yes but i just want to win... i am so sick of losing and for our season to be over a quarter of the way through every year. i htink the skins lose monday night but i'll feel very good if they play as well as last year in dallas.

[joebagadonuts]

patjam, i don't think so. it seems to me, in my infinite wisdom, that this change is for good. i think on some level, joe is trying to prove (or figure out if) he was right.

[patjam77]

patjam, i don't think so. it seems to me, in my infinite wisdom, that this change is for good. i think on some level, joe is trying to prove (or figure out if) he was right.

well i dont want to see another year wasted trying to settle gibbs' conscience... sorry, i do feel like ramsey got the short end of the stick. But if brunell plays horrible how many games will gibbs stick with him? 2? 3? 4? more? why does every year for this franchise have to be a flipping soap opera. just seems like now gibbs is the lead actor.

[joebagadonuts]

patjam, i don't think so. it seems to me, in my infinite wisdom, that this change is for good. i think on some level, joe is trying to prove (or figure out if) he was right.

well i dont want to see another year wasted trying to settle gibbs' conscience... sorry, i do feel like ramsey got the short end of the stick. But if brunell plays horrible how many games will gibbs stick with him? 2? 3? 4? more? why does every year for this franchise have to be a flipping soap opera. just seems like now gibbs is the lead actor.

amen, brother. ramsey didn't just get the short end of the stick, he got lied to by a hall of fame coach.

before the season, i was asking 'is it september yet?' now, part of me is asking 'is it february yet?' i hope brunell can rub my tummy and make me feel better.

[patjam77]

patjam, i don't think so. it seems to me, in my infinite wisdom, that this change is for good. i think on some level, joe is trying to prove (or figure out if) he was right.

well i dont want to see another year wasted trying to settle gibbs' conscience... sorry, i do feel like ramsey got the short end of the stick. But if brunell plays horrible how many games will gibbs stick with him? 2? 3? 4? more? why does every year for this franchise have to be a flipping soap opera. just seems like now gibbs is the lead actor.

amen, brother. ramsey didn't just get the short end of the stick, he got lied to by a hall of fame coach.

before the season, i was asking 'is it september yet?' now, part of me is asking 'is it february yet?' i hope brunell can rub my tummy and make me feel better.

dammit.. why can't gibbs just have snyder pay to transplant ramsey's arm to brunells body??!! superbowl baby!!

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

Ramsey hasn't lived up to his 1st round expectations.

Thanks for mentioning this, gus. The fact of the matter is, Ramsey was not first-round talent on most team's scouting lists. He was a sure 2nd rounder, who just so happened to get picked at the END of the 1st round. That's what led to his holdout (his agent claimed he was a #1 pick, Skins wanted to give him #2 money), and his subsequent see-saw ride with the Skins.

When he was picke, he was Danny's pick, not Joe's or even Spurrier's, for that matter. Joe's got his guy waiting in the wings in Campbell, Ramsey has been given the shot to manage a Gibbs offense, and he still struggles. So, enter Brunell.

Lastly, a lot of people wanna make it sound like Joe somehow "screwed" Patrick, but it may well be that Patrick's can only play to the level of his 2nd round caliber talent, that most scouts perceived him to have. He's gonna make a fine backup in this league, for this team, or another.

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

dammit.. why can't gibbs just have snyder pay to transplant ramsey's arm to brunells body??!! superbowl baby!!

Sweet! Then we'd be in the history books for having the first black QB to play/win the SB, and the first ambidextrous quarterback to win a SB. Awesome!!

[joebagadonuts]

i know it's been debated to death whether patrick has had enough opportunities to develop. i say no. other say yes. if joe gibbs isn't willing to wait for that potential development, so be it.

i think he did screw patrick. he told him he was the starter. one quarter later (don't start with the preseason talk) he's out. meanwhile, brunell stinks it up over 8 games last year without a peep. i'd feel screwed.

[gregory smith]

So Patrick feels screwed. It doesn't change the fact that he is an interception machine.

[redskincity]

I like Patrick but there is no denying his interceptions

[joebagadonuts]

i guess we'll never get to find out for sure.

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

i guess we'll never get to find out for sure.

Perhaps you can ask him when he drives by on the Super Bowl parade float down Pennsylvania Ave. in February.

[joebagadonuts]

riding shotgun?

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

riding shotgun?

Well, he'll certainly have time to talk, then, won't he?