Ramsey just asked to be traded.

georgiaredskin · Post by **georgiaredskin** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:22 pm

He's a SELL-OUT. Literally. And that's my opinion.

People who sell the whole team out based on one player were not a true fan to begin with.

Redskins1974 · Post by **Redskins1974** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:22 pm

Here's what I think -Yes, Ramsey has potential; however, let's not make him out to be a future HOFer at this point. Brunell is a vet who won't make as many costly mistakes as Ramsey at this point in his career.

One of two things will come out of this right now - this could be Ramsey's agent testing the waters. He may still remain here this season. The bottom line is do we want this as a distraction all season or, if the right offer is presented, do we take it to put this behind us? I'm all for pulling the trigger on a trade if it's the right deal. If it's not, he'll be auditioning for a job elsewhere. This could prove to be a win-win situation for him and us. I'm not a fan of Brunell but he is a vet and is capable to play in the mold of Trent Dilfer during the Ravens SB run - no costly mistakes - at this point in his career. It will be interesting to see how this plays out but it's not the end of the world, IMO. It would be the end of the world if Ramsey undoubtedly proved himself in the preseason and the 1st Q yesterday - guess what - he didn't, opening the door for more questions, even if he didn't get hurt.

Scooter · Post by **Scooter** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:23 pm

OK Niki, I've always respected you as well - but I'm my own fan regardless of what's said, posted or done. I still love the Redskins baby! oh and you too :0). Anyway, I cut the guy some slack... 1fan4ramsey as a moniker - he'd gotta be feeling the pain.

JPFair · Post by **JPFair** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:34 pm

Hey, they're his tickets. I don't agree with the team getting worse - other than playing a washed up useless ( but a really nice guy) at QB. Other than that we're a better club. He hates the decision to bench Ramsey - as might be indicated by his moniker.... ya think?

Scooter, yes, they are his tickets, but he is no different from anyone else in that he is bound by the terms of the contract that he signed as a season ticket holder. The guy was caught in a lie and called on it!! If you think that's dogpiling on him, well, then no ones trying to stop you from thinking it. As far as them being "Hey, they're his tickets" they're his tickets to attend the game. The contract he signed with the Redskins states that he will not, and furthermore CAN not, sell them for a profit. He unknowingly admitted that he's tried to, originally blaming it on his anger at the decision to start Brunell in place of Ramsey. As it turns out, it wasn't based on his anger, and was in fact something he's done simply to make a buck. If you think that it's o.k. for Redskins fans to be like that, then I hope you never get season tickets.

There are a lot of people, in fact over a hundred thousand, waiting in line to have the privelage to BUY those tickets, not sell them. When they put their name on a waiting list, and they get called for season tickets, they're not given the luxury of being able to say "Well, I'll take the tickets but if the coach makes a personnel move that I disagree with, can I violate the terms of my contract and sell them on ebay".

Scooter, like it or not, and whether or not it's in the right forum or not, the guy is not the type of fan that the Redskins want, need, or encourage. The guy is entitled to his opinion about the Ramsey benching, but he is NOT entitled to sell those tickets on ebay for a profit, which he admitted that he so far has been unable to (a clear sign that he's tried to).

With all due respect, I think it's you that needs to re-read it. No one is condemning him for wanting Ramsey to start. His desire to sell his tickets on ebay, at a profit, is a different story. Ya think?

NikiH · Post by **NikiH** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:36 pm

Scooter wrote:OK Niki, I've always respected you as well - but I'm my own fan regardless of what's said, posted or done. I still love the Redskins baby! oh and you too :0). Anyway, I cut the guy some slack... 1fan4ramsey as a moniker - he'd gotta be feeling the pain.

Ok easy with the love pal, most men have trouble saying that word! lol I'm kidding of course. I love ya too! ;-)

Seriously though I cut him some slack, I said maybe he's Ramsey's dad, that would explain it. I just cannot see knocking a decision we've not seen any bad reprecussions from. We should hold judgement until we at least see how Brunnell does starting.

spenser · Post by **spenser** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:38 pm

1fan4ramsey wrote:
NikiH wrote:Wow are you a pyschic 1fan????? How the heck do you know what Gibbs will do or even what our team will do??

I was complaining earlier today but you just taught me something. You just taught me that I don't want to be a fan like you. I support our team, which includes Coach Gibbs and his decisions. I won't complain again. Not the entire season, I'm a fan and I am not giving up on anything or anyone until they no longer wear burgundy and gold.

I'm just not in awe over Gibbs at this point, he's made bad decisions all along the way, getting Brunell, trading Coles and taking huge cap hit, trading up to get Campbell, now this. I'm not blind to extremely poor decisions that continually pull this team lower and lower.

You obviously dont watch a lot of football do you? From where im standing our team (correction not our, but my team) looks infinatly better than it has in some time. Trading coles was absoultly a blessing in disguise for MANY reasons that have been well documented.And as far as his cap hit, thats 13 mil. that we wont have to worry about after this year which i personally think is great, we will need that $ next year. As far as trading for campbell, how is that a disaster? What if he turns out to be a great qb? Gibbs did not really give Ramsey as fair of a shot as brunell last season, However, It is a FACT that ramsey has been an adequate QB at BEST. He does turn the ball over to much, holds on to the rock to long, and makes poor decisions. Should he have been given more than 1 quarter? Mabye. But this in no way destroys our season at THIS point. Mabye we will suck and win 4 games. But mabye a healty brunell with a year in the system and improved O line can MANAGE game situations and we can grind out some wins. I like ramsey as a person, and he hasnt been dealt with completly faily here in washington, but life isnt fair. Produce results or get to steppin. By the way a Brunell didnt cry and demand a trade when he lost the job. He worked and waited for his chance. Also, Gibbs has won superbowls with multiple qbs, and so if he honestly thinks brunell gives the team a better chance to win now, then i'll take his opinion over yours, thanks'. People are acting like the season is completly over when if we win 1 freaking game next week we will be sitting at 2-0 and have 2 weeks to get some stuff right.

1fan4ramsey · Post by **1fan4ramsey** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:49 pm

spenser wrote:
1fan4ramsey wrote:
NikiH wrote:Wow are you a pyschic 1fan????? How the heck do you know what Gibbs will do or even what our team will do??

I was complaining earlier today but you just taught me something. You just taught me that I don't want to be a fan like you. I support our team, which includes Coach Gibbs and his decisions. I won't complain again. Not the entire season, I'm a fan and I am not giving up on anything or anyone until they no longer wear burgundy and gold.

I'm just not in awe over Gibbs at this point, he's made bad decisions all along the way, getting Brunell, trading Coles and taking huge cap hit, trading up to get Campbell, now this. I'm not blind to extremely poor decisions that continually pull this team lower and lower.

You obviously dont watch a lot of football do you? From where im standing our team (correction not our, but my team) looks infinatly better than it has in some time. Trading coles was absoultly a blessing in disguise for MANY reasons that have been well documented.And as far as his cap hit, thats 13 mil. that we wont have to worry about after this year which i personally think is great, we will need that $ next year. As far as trading for campbell, how is that a disaster? What if he turns out to be a great qb? Gibbs did not really give Ramsey as fair of a shot as brunell last season, However, It is a FACT that ramsey has been an adequate QB at BEST. He does turn the ball over to much, holds on to the rock to long, and makes poor decisions. Should he have been given more than 1 quarter? Mabye. But this in no way destroys our season at THIS point. Mabye we will suck and win 4 games. But mabye a healty brunell with a year in the system and improved O line can MANAGE game situations and we can grind out some wins. I like ramsey as a person, and he hasnt been dealt with completly faily here in washington, but life isnt fair. Produce results or get to steppin. By the way a Brunell didnt cry and demand a trade when he lost the job. He worked and waited for his chance. Also, Gibbs has won superbowls with multiple qbs, and so if he honestly thinks brunell gives the team a better chance to win now, then i'll take his opinion over yours, thanks'. People are acting like the season is completly over when if we win 1 freaking game next week we will be sitting at 2-0 and have 2 weeks to get some stuff right.

You say we will need that money next year????? We're over the next years projected cap now!!!!! Why did you guys turn this into a personal thing against me, your blind to Gibbs over loyalty, that's fine, I'm not, don't bury me for it. He's making big mistakes in personel, I'm just pointing them out. T.O. does'nt want to play for the Eagles, do they trade him and take a huge cap hit, that they have plenty of room for? McNabb stank it up in the first quarter tonight, do they bench him for throwing an interception? Had Cool

ey not get called for the pass interference, we probably would'nt be having this conversation.
Regarding tickets, when I can't make the games I sell the tickets for face or less. I'm not independently wealthy, as all of you must be, to be able to suck up that money loss. I appologize for being middle class.

skinsfanno9 · Post by **skinsfanno9** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:59 pm

In truth, 1fan4ramsey's comment probably included pre-season games, as how many games could he have sold so far this year?

As someone that does not have the pleasure of season tickets (yes, I've been on the waiting list forever), I too think its extremely tacky of Snyder to force people to pay for these. This should be optional - so I don't begrudge the guy at all for ditching these.

If he wants to ditch the entire season, that's his call too. He probably shouldn't have gotten them if he's that fickle though.

Worse, if he's one of those that basically keeps the tickets as a personal perk, than I do really have a problem with 1fan4ramsey. Otherwise, fine, the guy has basically turned in this year's redskins fan card (he probably should give up his slot as well). Kewl. Not something I would do, but then again we're all different.

Again 1fan4ramsey, are we talking upper or lower deck?

Ramsey's Hog · Post by **Ramsey's Hog** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:03 pm

What is it that we could even get for him right now?

skinsfanno9 · Post by **skinsfanno9** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:06 pm

Ramsey's Hog wrote:What is it that we could even get for him right now?

What can we get for him? BLT, hold the lettuce...maybe a bag of chips if the opposing GM is in a good mood.

Maybe a 4th rounder at best.

1fan4ramsey · Post by **1fan4ramsey** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:10 pm

The ENTIRE league laughed, yes laughed, at us when we picked up Brunell, nobody wanted him. As a person I like him, as starting qb for a team with talented skill position players, I don't. I also don't like the way Gibbs lied to Ramsey about the starting role. By making the move Gibbs just made, he came back on his word, which is the most important thing a man has, in the NFL or the real world. Brunell won't make it through the entire season, and we will have to rely on a back up qb at some point, I don't see how Ramsey will be able to perform in that role after what just went down.

As far as the tickets, again, if I can't make the game, I need to sell them for face value or less. I can't take that financial hit, you guys are hanging me for this???

JPFair · Post by **JPFair** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:11 pm

In truth, 1fan4ramsey's comment probably included pre-season games, as how many games could he have sold so far this year?

Well, then he should do just what I did with my tickets. I gave them to a good cause, never once asking for a penny in return. But, that's just me!! I guess he's only in it for the money.

SKINS#1 · Post by **SKINS#1** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:12 pm

JG has continued to support Ramsey since he took over last year when Brunell was injured and did not perform. IMO I feel like JG continued to express the need to NOT turn the ball over and he probably went over this again and again. I can hear him talking about how this is so important. Ramsey did not protect the football. Brunell has looked very good this year (not injured) and seems to give us the best chance to win. Ramsey needs to look at other QBs who were benched by JG. I think this is a good decision and I also think PR may become a getter QB if he has the patience.

1fan4ramsey · Post by **1fan4ramsey** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:12 pm

JPFair wrote:
In truth, 1fan4ramsey's comment probably included pre-season games, as how many games could he have sold so far this year?

Well, then he should do just what I did with my tickets. I gave them to a good cause, never once asking for a penny in return. But, that's just me!! I guess he's only in it for the money.

Buddy, I can't take the financial hit, you do with them what you want and so will I

1fan4ramsey · Post by **1fan4ramsey** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:14 pm

JPFair wrote:
In truth, 1fan4ramsey's comment probably included pre-season games, as how many games could he have sold so far this year?

Well, then he should do just what I did with my tickets. I gave them to a good cause, never once asking for a penny in return. But, that's just me!! I guess he's only in it for the money.

I'm not kissing your butt because you are a pompous, pretentious, rich guy. I drive a Dodge, you drive a Mercedes, so bury me for it!!

JPFair · Post by **JPFair** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:15 pm

As far as the tickets, again, if I can't make the game, I need to sell them for face value or less.

So, it's because you can't make the game and not because of the decision to start Brunell? That being the case, why did you use this thread to proclaim "I'm listing my REMAINING season tickets on ebay if anyone is interested". Do you really have to announce it on this thread that you sell them when you can't make the game? Didn't you read recently that the Redskins monitor fan sites to get a take on how rampant the re-selling of tickets for profit is?

But, if it's simply because you can't make the game, that's fine. But, why now? Why all of a sudden announce that you're listing your remaining tickets on ebay? I'm baffled!

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:15 pm

both of you need to knock off the insults and stay on topic... or move it to smack....

JPFair · Post by **JPFair** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:16 pm

I drive a Dodge, you drive a Mercedes, so bury me for it!!

Really? What kind is it? Can I get much for it on ebay?

1fan4ramsey · Post by **1fan4ramsey** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:19 pm

I'm pissed at the situation at hand, may have spewed that I'm selling my tickets to vent my frustrations. I am upset as well by being attacked personally that I cannot afford to take the hit (4 season tickets) of not going to a game. I will stop the smack from here on in, as long as I'm not smacked upon, $175,000 a year doesn't go far in suburban Philly.

skinsfanno9 · Post by **skinsfanno9** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:20 pm

JPFair wrote:
In truth, 1fan4ramsey's comment probably included pre-season games, as how many games could he have sold so far this year?

Well, then he should do just what I did with my tickets. I gave them to a good cause, never once asking for a penny in return. But, that's just me!! I guess he's only in it for the money.

Again, I think its TRULY tacky to force season ticket holders to pay for the crap like the last pre-season game was. That was just not a professional game. If someone dumps these and tries to get money for them, I have not a problem at all.

I DO have a problem with someone who keeps his tickets just to make money when poor sods like me would love to have them.

1fan4ramsey · Post by **1fan4ramsey** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:57 pm

I've calmed down some, won't be selling tickets. Still not happy the least bit with the situation though.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:59 pm

1fan4ramsey wrote:I've calmed down some, won't be selling tickets. Still not happy the least bit with the situation though.

Why don't you let the team play a game first before doom the season?

1fan4ramsey · Post by **1fan4ramsey** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:01 pm

The Hogster wrote:
1fan4ramsey wrote:I've calmed down some, won't be selling tickets. Still not happy the least bit with the situation though.

Why don't you let the team play a game first before doom the season?

I just can't see Brunell lasting very long, then which qb do we turn to? The situation was handled very poorly, agreed?

dcoles11 · Post by **dcoles11** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:13 pm

What has Brunell done to deserve all this loyality from Gibbs?? I just don't get it, Gibbs basically waited till the season was a wash last year to bench him and now Ramsey throws 1 int and he gets the hook? I don't think Ramsey looked that bad, he lead them down the field for a field goal and they actually scored a TD on the possession where he got closed lined and taken out of the game before the flag braught it back.

Brunell played for 3 quarters and did what?? 70 yards and 6 points in field goals and this earns him the nob next week??

I hope Brunell and Gibbs prove me wrong and he does great, but I just don't see it, he looks like an old dead armed QB to me and it looks like another season of musical chairs at the QB position again this year. Jason Campbell will probably be starting by week 5.

Champsturf · Post by **Champsturf** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:30 pm

NikiH wrote:Scooter I respect you but I have to disagree. A team and fans that are a little worked up about a game against our rival in a week don't need a fan like that being ready to jump so quickly. Honestly we knew this was a possibility. And Ramsey didn't show himself as solid yesterday. If he'd had scored one touchdown I bet he'd be starting in Dallas, the fact is he didn't.

Sorry Niki, you know I like you, but I just couldn't read any more pages without responding.

How many TD's did Brunell have yesterday? He would have had as many INT's if it weren't for a penalty. Ramsey also DID throw a TD pass, but Cool

ey "interfered". I felt that it was a ticky-tacky call.

I love Gibbs and his decisions BEFORE he came back. He has done very little in this tenure to make me think he knows what he's doing. I know his heart is in the right place by wanting to make the Redskins winners again, but so is Danny Boy's. We all know how well the heart makes decisions.

Brunell played NO better than Ramsey yesterday. Look at the numbers. The offense was more productive, thanks to Portis and the D putting more pressure on their O, wearing them down. I am not jumping ship(I've been on this boat waaaay too long), but this just makes me sick. I could care a less if someone is selling their tickets for profit...if he doesn't want to be there, then someone overpaying for them obviously does. That alone should shut you whiners up about selling tickets.

I'm with Scooter and 1fan4Ramsey and a few others here. This is a HUGE shafft job that Ramsey is getting. I hope he goes to an AFC team, BAltimore even, and has a great career. Then, in 3 years when Campbell can actually guide this team (if he can...he too has POTENTIAL), Ramsey can suceed all the way to the Big Dance, while we sit and wait for the playoffs.

I'm tired of venting...for now...retalliate JP...I know you will.