Brunell / GIBBS

THE RAM · Post by **THE RAM** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:04 pm

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=10258

Gibbs says he wants to establish someone at QB, how can Brunell establsh at QB after throwing for 70 yards in 3 quarters, I had my doubts that Gibbs didn´t like Ramsey but now after looking at this it´s more than obvious that he doesn´t believe in him at all, just one quart5er and he is done, WOW, great job coach, way to put confidence in your players, expect noting more than the same exact season as last year.

DAMN GIBBS

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:08 pm

Have you ever heard the term: rush judgment?

You do not have all the facts, including health facts.

FiveWidez · Post by **FiveWidez** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:10 pm

I don't agree with this at all. Ramsey deserves more than one quarter of play.

ike075 · Post by **ike075** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:12 pm

I have always said do not second guess Joe Gibbs but it seems he has broken his own rule. He said Ramsey is his Qb and stuck to that through the entire preseason. Ramsey made some poor plays in the beginning of the game but then starts to pick up momentum when suddenly he is close lined. Brunell stays in there the rest of the game and shows us he can't make it happen. He does not use the wide receivers. He could hand off the ball real well when he is not tripping over his own feet.

Then what does Gibbs do? He sees a door open to try and prove Brunnel was worth the money. No one can convince me this has to do with anything else at this time. He is breaking his own rule and second guessing himself. If he can second guess himself so can I.

Riddle me this Batman. How many games did Gibbs stick with Brunnel last season without scoring a touchdown? Now how many games err uh downs did Gibbs stick with Ramsey?

VERY DISAPPOINTED RIGHT NOW! :evil:

air_hog · Post by **air_hog** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:13 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:Have you ever heard the term: rush judgment?

You do not have all the facts, including health facts.

Exactly, however I too have the feeling that Gibbs has no faith in Ramsey, whatsoever.

Last year he brings in Brunell who stinks it up, yet he plays all the way to week 8 and has thrown away our playoff hopes.

Then the year where Ramsey is the starter, he trades up to get a QB.

Then Ramsey goes out, but is later cleared to play, yet he doesn't come back in.

So if you put the 2 and 2 together, it's pretty obvious that Gibbs doesn't seem to fond of Ramsey, which I think is a shame because he is a great QB.

ike075 · Post by **ike075** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:14 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:Have you ever heard the term: rush judgment?

You do not have all the facts, including health facts.

Rush to judgement? Here is a quote from this artical
"Asked if the decision to start Brunell was related to the neck sprain, Gibbs said: "I think Patrick's fine."

No rush here. It seems Gibbs is rushing to judgement and I have the up most respect for that man!

box8276 · Post by **box8276** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:18 pm

Lets face it... Ramsey looks like, well the same old int' throwing laughing stock, who looked absolutely terrible against a pathetic Bears team. This was not a playoff caliber team, and we were at home. Meaning Ramsey SHOULD have lit their asses up!

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:19 pm

I think he just wants someone to manage the game better and The Ram hasn't shown him that. Let's be real about this. Gibbs has seen enough of Ramsey to know what he can do. He has seen him practice for two years, been through two offseasons, traning camps, preseasons, 7 games last year, and a lot of his game film.

There is something about him that Gibbs doesn't like, and it has nothing to do with his ability, it has to do with his mental approach to the game. He hasn't shown that he can minimize his mental errors. He threw 3 ints in one half against the Giants last year, 4 ints in preseason (in less than 1 game of play) and he started the year off with a pick on his second throw and fumbled twice in one quarter. (one was recovered by Jansen)

I think Gibbs wants to win now, and he thinks that Brunnell will do a better job at minimizing the turnovers.

Whether we agree or not, Lets support Mark Brunell. Maybe his injury, the predictability of our running game, and newnes to the offense contributed to his horrible play last season.

Its a new year. Maybe Brunnel can be the man...lets not give up lets hope that is the case. I support Brunnell.

ike075 · Post by **ike075** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:21 pm

box8276 wrote:Lets face it... Ramsey looks like, well the same old int' throwing laughing stock, who looked absolutely terrible against a pathetic Bears team. This was not a playoff caliber team, and we were at home. Meaning Ramsey SHOULD have lit their asses up!

Lets face it. Ramsey was in there for 3 sets of downs. Brunnell was in there for 3 quarters. Seems to me it was Brunnell who failed to produce offence yesterday not Ramsey.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:23 pm

ike075 wrote:
box8276 wrote:Lets face it... Ramsey looks like, well the same old int' throwing laughing stock, who looked absolutely terrible against a pathetic Bears team. This was not a playoff caliber team, and we were at home. Meaning Ramsey SHOULD have lit their asses up!

Lets face it. Ramsey was in there for 3 sets of downs. Brunnell was in there for 3 quarters. Seems to me it was Brunnell who failed to produce offence yesterday not Ramsey.

Brunnell produced offense, but we didn't punch it in from the goal line 2 times. He lead 3 scoring drives, and we need to work on our red zone offense. That is something that can be worked on.

Throwing picks is a harder problem to correct.

FiveWidez · Post by **FiveWidez** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:24 pm

How can anyone say Ramsey was bad this season. Anyone who says that, after one quarter, must think Daunte Culpepper should be released.

JPFair · Post by **JPFair** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:26 pm

I think this effectively ends Ramseys career with the Washington Redskins.

skinpride1 · Post by **skinpride1** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:26 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:Have you ever heard the term: rush judgment?

You do not have all the facts, including health facts.

click on the link above says it right there by the man himself"Ramsey is just fine"

ike075 · Post by **ike075** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:28 pm

The Hogster wrote:I think he just wants someone to manage the game better and The Ram hasn't shown him that. Let's be real about this. Gibbs has seen enough of Ramsey to know what he can do. He has seen him practice for two years, been through two offseasons, traning camps, preseasons, 7 games last year, and a lot of his game film.

There is something about him that Gibbs doesn't like, and it has nothing to do with his ability, it has to do with his mental approach to the game. He hasn't shown that he can minimize his mental errors. He threw 3 ints in one half against the Giants last year, 4 ints in preseason (in less than 1 game of play) and he started the year off with a pick on his second throw and fumbled twice in one quarter. (one was recovered by Jansen)

I think Gibbs wants to win now, and he thinks that Brunnell will do a better job at minimizing the turnovers.

Whether we agree or not, Lets support Mark Brunell. Maybe his injury, the predictability of our running game, and newnes to the offense contributed to his horrible play last season.

Its a new year. Maybe Brunnel can be the man...lets not give up lets hope that is the case. I support Brunnell.

Lets be real about this. Gibbs saw Brunnell for 8 games last year. Do we need a reminder of how painful those games were? Additionally they went out and got several speedy receivers who can actually catch the ball. They are no use with a noodle arm like Brunnell. I am sorry if I am giving anyone a hard time on this BUT this is flat out wrong! I was psyched for this season but now with Brunnell in who was so impressive with the second stringers during preseason and did jack...oh yeah...almost lost us the game yesterday with the pathetic Bears I fear a repeat of last season. Do you really think Gibbs will switch back to Ramsey so fast?

spenser · Post by **spenser** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:29 pm

ike075 wrote:
box8276 wrote:Lets face it... Ramsey looks like, well the same old int' throwing laughing stock, who looked absolutely terrible against a pathetic Bears team. This was not a playoff caliber team, and we were at home. Meaning Ramsey SHOULD have lit their asses up!

Lets face it. Ramsey was in there for 3 sets of downs. Brunnell was in there for 3 quarters. Seems to me it was Brunnell who failed to produce offence yesterday not Ramsey.

Very true, although it became faily obvious that this was a grind it out game late, and also i have been a huge ramsey supoprter in the past, but seriously 4 int's in less that a full game in preseason, and then 1 int and 2 fumbles in a quarter of work. Our turnover ratio was horible last year and cost us at least a few games. If Pram cant make good decisions with the football then he should be benched. Remember what gibbs said "the final chapter has not been writetn on Mark Brunell"... Lets hope this story has some sort of happy ending.

ike075 · Post by **ike075** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:31 pm

The Hogster wrote:
ike075 wrote:
box8276 wrote:Lets face it... Ramsey looks like, well the same old int' throwing laughing stock, who looked absolutely terrible against a pathetic Bears team. This was not a playoff caliber team, and we were at home. Meaning Ramsey SHOULD have lit their asses up!

Lets face it. Ramsey was in there for 3 sets of downs. Brunnell was in there for 3 quarters. Seems to me it was Brunnell who failed to produce offence yesterday not Ramsey.

Brunnell produced offense, but we didn't punch it in from the goal line 2 times. He lead 3 scoring drives, and we need to work on our red zone offense. That is something that can be worked on.

Throwing picks is a harder problem to correct.

Here is a reminder of yesterday. Ramsey drove the ball and actually hit Cool

ey for a touchdown if it wasn't called back for a bogus reason. That was in three sets of downs vs Brunnell's 3 quarters. That was also darning fresh legs on the Defense.

joeramse · Post by **joeramse** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:33 pm

this really pisses me off

FatPat · Post by **FatPat** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:34 pm

I think this is a simple case of a coach realizing what kind of team he has. Now I dont agree with this (i would have like to see Ramsey in there longer) but lets face it this team has a championship caliber defense, therefore, all this offense needs to do is not mess up (give up points). At the moment Brunell is the guy that is going to make the least amount of mistakes and thus we will be playing into our strength, the defense. Field position and defense is how this team is going to win games (or at least thats what the coaches think)...

Look at baltimore a few years back in their super bowl run the redskin coaches are hoping for a similar type of team (running the ball on offense and minimizing mistakes letting the defense do its thing).

JPFair · Post by **JPFair** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:35 pm

I just heard on ESPN that Morten Anderson is reporting that Patrick Ramsey has asked Joe Gibbs to be traded.

I think it's safe to say that Campbell is going to be groomed sooner rather than later.

FatPat · Post by **FatPat** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:37 pm

JPFair wrote:I just heard on ESPN that Morten Anderson is reporting that Patrick Ramsey has asked Joe Gibbs to be traded.

I think it's safe to say that Campbell is going to be groomed sooner rather than later.

Can't really blame the kid if this is true...I would feel awful as well this is just what we need in the locker room

ike075 · Post by **ike075** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:39 pm

FatPat wrote:I think this is a simple case of a coach realizing what kind of team he has. Now I dont agree with this (i would have like to see Ramsey in there longer) but lets face it this team has a championship caliber defense, therefore, all this offense needs to do is not mess up (give up points). At the moment Brunell is the guy that is going to make the least amount of mistakes and thus we will be playing into our strength, the defense. Field position and defense is how this team is going to win games (or at least thats what the coaches think)...

Look at baltimore a few years back in their super bowl run the redskin coaches are hoping for a similar type of team (running the ball on offense and minimizing mistakes letting the defense do its thing).

They still need to score points. Might I remind everyone of the INT that Brunnell the masterful mistakless near perfect guy almost gave up if it wasn't called back. If Brunnell is in the field will not be spread. The bears prepared for Ramsey and his passing the Cowboys will prepare for Brunnell. Watch and see how our Rb do when the field isn't spread. This stinks! I don't want a perfect offence. I want an offence that will widen the field and move the ball. I want a offence that can finish the job. I want an offence that can keep the Defense off the field for more then three downs. We need some offence. With Brunnell we have no offence. Our best offence with Brunnel is our Defense.

70Chip · Post by **70Chip** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:40 pm

FiveWidez wrote:I don't agree with this at all. Ramsey deserves more than one quarter of play.

Heya!

First let me say I'm relatively new to the board. great site keep it going! Any rate here is my take!

Look Gibbs understands that this team's success will be determined by the amount of mistakes it makes on offense. Ramsey may have the better arm, have the guts to take the big hit and all the other big play potential, but through out the preseason and much of last, Ramsey has shown the tendency to make poor decisions under fire that have lead to interceptions and turnovers. Brunell has been the better QB during camp and all preseason. Last year he obviously played hurt. Brunell is the better decision maker and is less likely to make the bad throw that can change the momentum of the game. Gibbs understands this. If our offense (with Ramsey) was capable of putting up 34 points a game Gibbs would go with Ramsey, bad decisions and all. Right now with the offense we have, Brunell is the QB that has the better chance to get this team a win. AND DAMMNIT I'm tired of losing to Dallas. Brunell is the Quarterback that gives us the best chance at a W, that all I care about and that's my guess of how Gibbs sees it.

70Chip

ike075 · Post by **ike075** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:41 pm

FatPat wrote:
JPFair wrote:I just heard on ESPN that Morten Anderson is reporting that Patrick Ramsey has asked Joe Gibbs to be traded.

I think it's safe to say that Campbell is going to be groomed sooner rather than later.

Can't really blame the kid if this is true...I would feel awful as well this is just what we need in the locker room

I hope he is so we can add him to the large list of QB that become successful after they leave the redskins. Joe you da man. You are the legend. I remember the great games your first time around. Don't make a mistake now trying to prove you were right with Brunnell.

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:42 pm

70Chip wrote:
FiveWidez wrote:I don't agree with this at all. Ramsey deserves more than one quarter of play.

Heya!

First let me say I'm relatively new to the board. great site keep it going! Any rate here is my take!

Look Gibbs understands that this team's success will be determined by the amount of mistakes it makes on offense. Ramsey may have the better arm, have the guts to take the big hit and all the other big play potential, but through out the preseason and much of last, Ramsey has shown the tendency to make poor decisions under fire that have lead to interceptions and turnovers. Brunell has been the better QB during camp and all preseason. Last year he obviously played hurt. Brunell is the better decision maker and is less likely to make the bad throw that can change the momentum of the game. Gibbs understands this. If our offense (with Ramsey) was capable of putting up 34 points a game Gibbs would go with Ramsey, bad decisions and all. Right now with the offense we have, Brunell is the QB that has the better chance to get this team a win. AND DAMMNIT I'm tired of losing to Dallas. Brunell is the Quarterback that gives us the best chance at a W, that all I care about and that's my guess of how Gibbs sees it.

70Chip

agreed...I'm tired of losing to Dallas too..

Welcome to the board..

skins#1fan · Post by **skins#1fan** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:43 pm

FiveWidez wrote:I don't agree with this at all. Ramsey deserves more than one quarter of play.

Ramsey has had four preseason games to do something and hall he has done is turn the ball over!!!!!! Believe me he has made some great throws that I personally dont even know if mark can make but thats not what gibbs or the redskins need. We dont need a qb that is on and of week in and week out. This team is built around a running game/defense and all we need is a qb that doesnt make as many mistakes!