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Patrick Ramsey is the most accurate passer in the NFL!?

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Woah, check this out:

Bills' domination of Dolphins sparked research

By KC Joyner
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In the early 1990s, I was about as big a Miami Dolphins fan as possible. Every Sunday my dad, younger brother and I would live and die over the outcome of the Dolphins game. Of course, during this time we did more dying at the hands of the Buffalo Bills than any other team, and it irritated me so much I decided to figure out what other teams did to beat Buffalo that the Dolphins didn't do.
I was a big fan of Sports Illustrated writer Paul Zimmerman when I was a kid, and Dr. Z frequently wrote of his game-tape scouting system. In 1990 I started recording televised games and breaking them down myself. It took a couple of seasons, but I finally came up with a really useful system to break down a team's formation tendencies. I tracked a number of different things -- how many pass rushers there were on a particular play, where the blitzes came from, which direction plays were run, etc. Once I got the kinks worked out, I began analyzing the Dolphins and Bills. After about 10 game breakdowns, the issue became crystal clear.

The Bills, led by quarterback Jim Kelly, were running their K-Gun offense -- multiple-receiver sets and hurry-up tempo -- with great success. Opposing teams tried many things to slow them down, but the only one that seemed to work was pressuring Kelly with the blitz. If a defense got a rush into Kelly's face, he often would do very foolish things with the ball.

The problem for the Dolphins was that defensive coordinator Tom Olivadotti was incredibly reluctant to send the blitz. I tracked the number of times Miami rushed three, four and five or more defenders, and the Dolphins rushed three defenders much more frequently than other teams. Against most teams, this worked. Their defense fared quite well statistically during a portion of Olivadotti's career, but Olivadotti wasn't willing to adjust the pass rush to the circumstances, and Miami paid the price against Kelly & Co.

What was most amazing to me during this time was that I never heard anyone mention things like this. It was completely obvious to me that the Bills had an Achilles' heel. It showed up in nearly every big loss (see Super Bowls XXVI and XXVII for proof), and the Dolphins rarely targeted that weakness, but few analysts pointed out either fact. When things like this were mentioned, they certainly weren't quantified or placed in context with the rest of the league. Being a consumptive NFL fan and frustrated armchair scout, I knew these weren't the only questions that weren't being answered by the mainstream NFL media.

In addition to being a disciple of Dr. Z, I also was an even bigger fan of Bill James. James' effective use of the scientific method in researching baseball was revolutionary, yet no one was effectively applying his methods to football. There were hundreds of questions that only a methodical, analytical and scientific approach could answer. I had wanted to undertake this type of research since I was a kid, and about two years ago I decided to quit my regular job in the telecom field to live the dream. The first real result was "Scientific Football 2005," a book I self-published this year.

I like to focus on performance-based metrics, measurements I use to determine how well a player is doing in specific areas of his job. For example, before last season I listed the things I wanted to know when it came to a quarterback's performance:

• How often does he throw short? Medium? Deep?
• How often does he throw to an open receiver, and how often does he force the ball into coverage?
• How often does he make a mistake? Does he force passes into coverage? Does he try to throw the ball while being sacked? Does he stare at receivers?
• How many of his yards come against a prevent defense?
• Completion percentage doesn't tell the whole story of a quarterback's accuracy. How often does he throw a well-timed pass, and how often does he hit the receiver in stride?
• How many yards and completions did he lose because his receivers dropped catchable passes? How many yards and completions did he lose because of his own bad passes?

I taped nearly every NFL game from the 2004 season and broke them down using a tracking system I devised to quantify a quarterback's performance in each of the categories listed above. Some of the results were quite enlightening. For example, the system quantified which quarterbacks make the highest percentage of bad decisions (Michael Vick and Ben Roethlisberger), which quarterbacks were most accurate (Brian Griese and Patrick Ramsey surprisingly topped that list), and which quarterbacks were the least accurate (Kurt Warner and Byron Leftwich).

I also asked similar questions of other offensive positions, including wide receiver and tight end, and did similar analysis for defensive players such as cornerbacks and safeties. This season, I'll be adding additional granularity to my passing breakdowns, and I will be expanding my focus to cover the running game and to track some special-teams metrics.

The field of football research is at least 10 to 15 years behind the field of baseball research, if not more. There are a number of reasons for this, but it doesn't have to be this way. It is my goal to help improve football research to a level of influence closer to that of its sporting cousin, and I'd like to invite you to come along with me on that journey.

KC Joyner, aka The Football Scientist, has a Web site at http://thefootballscientist.com. He is a regular contributor to ESPN Insider.


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I think it's funny that Ramsey always surprises people.

Skip Bayless did his QB rating every Monday morning for ESPN.com where he adjusted for the quality of the defense a guy played against etc.. and last year Ramsey was always well in the top half of his list and the comment would be something like "every dog has his day." Well, after he does it five weeks in a row, people still didn't recognize that maybe they weren't giving him the respect that he deserved.

Ramsey's a strange guy in that respect. He played great at the beginning of the 2003 season even when he was injured. Remember us destroying the Jets in week one that year and then beating the Patriots in week three or four before they went on their big streak? He was great! Even in his rookie year he came in after holding out and missing most of camp and won us some games.

Then he got hurt but even then when Gibbs was announced everybody said, boy he has a great young QB there, they're going places. Then Brunell showed up and even then people were saying Ramsey was the hot young QB every team was trying to trade for. Then Ramsey stunk in the preseason and in the Giants game where he came in late and all of a sudden everything changed. I think when Brunell was so horrible, people thought, "well I guess Ramsey must REALLY suck to play behind this guy."

Then he came in at the end of the year and actually played very well. There was just one pass against Philly that he really shouldn't have thrown and it stuck in everybody's minds; it was so similar to the Giants game and the preseason. Nobody paid attention to the fact that he had played a great game to the 'Skins into a position in that game where they had a chance to win or that in three of his last four games his QB rating was over 100. In those games his overall rating was 95.0, that was seventh best in the NFL despite the fact that he threw so many short passes.

Basically, I've been really critical of Ramsey so far and I feel I have done him a diservice. The guy can play even if he does make some annoying mistakes and he sometimes falls back onto bad habitsbut you know what, all QBs do that (except maybe Tom Brady who seems to never make a mistake). I'm not saying he's the best QB in the league or anything but he made great strides last year and he did a great job improving upon the weaknesses in his game. He actually played smart ball in the last few games by not getting sacked and not throwing ints. I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt for now and I am going to support him.
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hkHog wrote:Basically, I've been really critical of Ramsey so far and I feel I have done him a diservice. The guy can play even if he does make some annoying mistakes and he sometimes falls back onto bad habitsbut you know what, all QBs do that (except maybe Tom Brady who seems to never make a mistake). I'm not saying he's the best QB in the league or anything but he made great strides last year and he did a great job improving upon the weaknesses in his game. He actually played smart ball in the last few games by not getting sacked and not throwing ints. I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt for now and I am going to support him.

You are right and you are not alone. I hope other fans look inside and arrive at the same conclusion. It is a very mature and well thought-out statement.

As far as Tom Brady is concerned, Have you seen his pre-season play? Horrendous! So, there you have it. It is worth watching them play both in the -regular- season. As Jon Jansen says, "when the real bullets are flying".

Patrick is somebody who will be successful in this league. The only question is whether the fans and coaches will make it happen in a Redskin uniform or not!
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I jst got the number 1 pick in the yahoo draft and guess whi I drafted?


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THE RAM wrote:I jst got the number 1 pick in the yahoo draft and guess whi I drafted?


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I understand you're a big Ramsey fan but I'm sure me and everybody else in your fantasy league are laughing their arses off. If you really wanted him that badly you coulda waited till the 4th or 5th round which would guarantee you would have gotten him but even thats a reach.
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THE RAM wrote:I jst got the number 1 pick in the yahoo draft and guess whi I drafted?


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THE RAM wrote:I jst got the number 1 pick in the yahoo draft and guess whi I drafted?


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As far as Ramsey's accuracy goes... he threw down field all of twice last season and the rest were dink and dunks... of course he's gonna be more accurate then someone who throws a long passes three or four times per game... not per season... not bagging on the guy... just stating the facts...
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THE RAM wrote:I jst got the number 1 pick in the yahoo draft and guess whi I drafted?


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Oh my god...that is a huge joke
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It's not a money game, it's for fun, I just did it for being loyal to Ramsey and I also got Vick and Brees,Rudy Johnson, T.O., Horn, Heap and other good players.
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The point is that you could have used that 1st pick for a great RB, and still picked up THE RAM much later in your draft. Now, if we can just get the NFL to award points for accuracy...
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hkhog, thank you so much for your post. i have been bewildered at how quickly people seemed to magically forget how ramsey was regarding prior to the 2004 season. i remember him being mentioned several times on NFL pre-game shows and the like, being touted as someone who was going to be a star in this league some day.

the fact is, overall in his NFL starts, he has performed pretty well, at least/especially for where he was in his career at that point. hopefully he will continue to progress and fulfill what we expected based on his previous play.
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ok i dont care wat tat article says, there is no way in hell ramsey is the most accurate qb........for starters there is manning, brady, penington?**, drew brees, these players are in different league compared to ramsey! :!: :!: :!:

and for the guy who had the 1st pick and choose ramsey, i respect ur loyal to our players, but u must be like 10 arnt you :roll:
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According to these situations, Ramsey may well be the "most accurate" but as we have all seen, he doesn't look comfortable in the pocket. I saw it in the first drive of the preseason... the jumpiness in the pocket, patting the ball, holding on to it too long.

What Pat needs is time and experience in a system designed to protect him and give him time (Ours).

Spurrier's second year, where he started the season, completely destroyed his confidence.

However, he still had it in the season opener against the Jets... you guys remember that, right? Ducking under the blitzer and throwing The Bomb dead-on to Coles?

Or our first game against the eagles, when we were a 2-point conversion away from tieing, but the pass was dropped in the endzone? He ripped up the Eagles secondary in that game.

The Redskins set the NFL record for fewest sacks allowed in a season under Gibbs. If they can give Ramsey time and he can settle down a little, we'll know who our quarterback is.
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My dear friend nxtseantaylor, actually I'm 26, Ramsey's average in fantasy football was 37 points, he's total points in fantasy were 256 divided by the complete games he played (7) that's an average 36.57 points per game, he´s higher than Brady, Brees, Hasselbeck and Bulger (most of this QB's didn´t played week 17 so I'm divided their total points by 15), also Ramsey was three points lower than Mcnabb, that considering he was not the starter and he didn't knew the offense as he should, so Í really think Ramsey is a good pick, week 1 he'll throw for two td´s and hopefully 0 int´s.
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i had the 1st pick also, in my league. my pick was Manning, P, yours was ramsey


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