redskins.com and extreme skins?

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 5:55 pm

RedskinsFreak wrote:I just hope the ES staff DOESN'T get improved access. They're still fans and fans stay OUTside the ropes.

They did. Read the press release.

Wheat · Post by **Wheat** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:47 pm

I don't get why people can't browse all the fan sites, and get the news/topics they're looking for.

Cripes..... its a FAN SITE for our favorite Football Team.

relax.

p.s.- I'm a regular poster at ES and I like to wander around. I had to sign up just because of the freaking out over here. Like its another teams fans getting to be connected to the Skins.

Scottskins · Post by **Scottskins** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:15 pm

I didn't really notice anyone freaking out over here. I think it's more of many here being amazed how our board became a topic over at ES because a couple of our fans felt that our board deserved as much recognition as ES does. Not really a big deal as far as I can tell.

Wheat · Post by **Wheat** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:33 pm

I think a lot of the responses in this thread are what shocked some folks over there. There was some straight up venom that just set some folks over there off.

No one person is at fault. It was just alittle shocking.

curveball · Post by **curveball** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:46 pm

Wheat wrote:I don't get why people can't browse all the fan sites, and get the news/topics they're looking for.

Cripes..... its a FAN SITE for our favorite Football Team.

relax.

p.s.- I'm a regular poster at ES and I like to wander around. I had to sign up just because of the freaking out over here. Like its another teams fans getting to be connected to the Skins.

Don't be a one and done here Bufford. This really is a nicely run fan site with a great core of people.

I just hope that the new intermingling doesn't alter the way things are now. A place for everything and everyting in its place.

Growth here is a good thing, however a massive influx of fans disgruntled with another site is rarely a good thing. It's like someone else redecorating your home while you're not there. (Sorry for the strange analogy, darn my wife and her addiction to that darn TLC)

As a meandering Cowboys' fan, I feel at home here and for the most part have been accepted kindly, the same as with Monkster and her crew at the Cafe. I'm a member at ES amd have been for a few years but basically for Bang's stuff now. They just don't seem to appreciate an occasional contrarian veiwpoint, but to each their own.

In the end, while a minor distraction in the long run and the semmingly bad blood that's been created, I hope for this site's sake that a few of the people who've registered due to this fiasco take a look around and decide to hang here occasionallly and contribute.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:49 pm

Wheat wrote:I think a lot of the responses in this thread are what shocked some folks over there. There was some straight up venom that just set some folks over there off.

No one person is at fault. It was just alittle shocking.

Freaking out? I don't think we were the ones the freaked out. People had their emotions on it and like many people have said plenty of times, its just because people feel loyal to their home site. The negative opinions weren't expressed by the staff but by the members. Read back through the thread and you'll see. Why was this so shocking to ES when from what I've read they did the same exact thing us :?:

RedskinsFreak · Post by **RedskinsFreak** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:22 pm

Jake wrote:
RedskinsFreak wrote:I just hope the ES staff DOESN'T get improved access. They're still fans and fans stay OUTside the ropes.

They did. Read the press release.

I saw the press release and just skimmed through it. (Read? Who's got time for that?)

Representatives of Extremeskins at Redskins.com will join the team at all games, providing an exclusive fan view from the pressbox and sidelines.

That's unfortunate.

Om · Post by Om » Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:02 pm

TAFKAS wrote:Hey guys. Longtime reader, first time poster here. I really like the look and content you guys have here. If I didn't have bills to pay I'd post here more often.

I'm one of the moderators over at TheWarpath.net and I thought what better thread than this one to officially join this site once and for all.

As many of you have done with the other members on this site, I have developed some great friendships with the members of the Warpath.net and that, to me, is my immediate Redskins family so you'll forgive me if I feel protective of them, while still respecting members on other sites and recognizing that we're all one big family. I apologize for that run-on sentence.

But I don't feel as though ES necessarily approached this as though we were one big family. And that's what frustrates me. If we were one big family then all of us (ES, Warpath, HailRedskins, and TheHogs.net) would be part of this deal and we, or at least we moderators, would have been in the loop on this beforehand.

Case in point, as fellow Warpath moderator and camp reporter Joe Crisp and I were preparing the proposal for our charity football game (http://www.thehogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=162261#162261) and making numerous phone calls, not only did we keep everyone at our site in the loop but also everyone at all the other sites. We recognized that a big event like that with the involvement of such ex-greats as Art Monk, Charles Mann, Mark Moseley, Tony McGee (among others) was a great coup for the ENTIRE Redskins online community. And we wanted to share with everyone how things were progressing. Things are moving along well for a spring game by the way, we'll get you more details by the end of August.

But it feels like what ES did was basically go behind our back with the Redskins, and in the process shut Joe Crisp out (not to mention the reporters over at Hogs.net and HailRedskins.com).

But anyway, bygones. Congrats to Extreme. They've done excellent work and I hold no grudges. And congratulations to all the other sites (Warpath.net, Hogs.net, HailRedskins.com) for their continued commitment to the knowledgeable Redskins fan.

Nice to be a part of this board

Hesitant as I am to stir this up even MORE ... the notion that we went "behind anyone's back" in this thing is just preposterous. The Washington Redskins approached US about the possibility of incorportating ES into redskins.com when they decided they were going to institute a MB. Those preliminary exploratory discussions, and then all the subsequent negotiations that ultimately resulted in an agreement were NOT for public consumption ... and it frankly strains credulity to think anyone would believe they were.

It is also giving us WAY too much credit to think that we had any pull or say in who did or did not get media access to camps. Seriously ... we're running their message board. We are NOT making executive decisions on how and with whom they do business.

The Redskins are building a site that includes, among other things, a message board. Through long, painstaking negotiation, they reached an arrangement with us to create one. Now it's up to each Redskin fan as an individual to decide if the product we come up with as a result is worthy of their time. Is it too much to ask that their perceptions not be colored and/or poisoned by the leaders of other forums passing along mis- and disinformation?

I won't "argue" or debate the point further here on thehogs.net dime, but I did want to at least suggest that there is in fact a yin to this yang.

Thanks for the opportunity to try ...

Punu · Post by **Punu** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:13 pm

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS

dont lose sight of the big picture fellas....why were all here

~friendly reminder

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:38 pm

Om wrote:I did want to at least suggest that there is in fact a yin to this yang.

Thanks for the opportunity to try ...

Thanks for the suggestion. Even more useful would be a constructive attitude by ALL to allow EQUAL access to people that put similar work and sacrifice to support their team.

By this, I mean of course that there are several boards whose informed staff DESERVE to be treated with the same deference and respect that some appear to have gained so far. I ask for EQUAL opportunity to the staff of ALL boards. Is that too much to ask?

I am not unhappy that the Redskins FINALLY have come up with the bright idea to incorporate a FAN message board in their site. Kudos to the "smart" guy who discovered the fact that fans may want to have a place to have a say. (!)

But it would be a disaster for the Redskin organisation to recognise the work of some and to disregard the work done by others. I personally do not want to be a member of any other board than this one. Why? because it contains quality posts and articles written by sensible and well informed people. Quality over quantity is better for me thank you very much.

I also LOVE the independence of this board to comment on the work done by ANYBODY in the Redskins organization. While it remains to be seen whether posters in that new board can write something critical about anybody from the ownership down to the front office or the administration, I hope that they are open minded to accept it.

If the effort by the Redskins organization is truly founded in a genuine desire to reach to the fans, ALL THE FANS, they can not give preferential access to some without the risk to alienate others.

So if the ying is fine, the yang must indeed go with it. Or as we say in Canada, "what is good for the goose, is good for the gander".

SKINZ_DOMIN8 · Post by **SKINZ_DOMIN8** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:46 pm

Om wrote:
TAFKAS wrote:Hey guys. Longtime reader, first time poster here. I really like the look and content you guys have here. If I didn't have bills to pay I'd post here more often.

I'm one of the moderators over at TheWarpath.net and I thought what better thread than this one to officially join this site once and for all.

As many of you have done with the other members on this site, I have developed some great friendships with the members of the Warpath.net and that, to me, is my immediate Redskins family so you'll forgive me if I feel protective of them, while still respecting members on other sites and recognizing that we're all one big family. I apologize for that run-on sentence.

But I don't feel as though ES necessarily approached this as though we were one big family. And that's what frustrates me. If we were one big family then all of us (ES, Warpath, HailRedskins, and TheHogs.net) would be part of this deal and we, or at least we moderators, would have been in the loop on this beforehand.

Case in point, as fellow Warpath moderator and camp reporter Joe Crisp and I were preparing the proposal for our charity football game (http://www.thehogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=162261#162261) and making numerous phone calls, not only did we keep everyone at our site in the loop but also everyone at all the other sites. We recognized that a big event like that with the involvement of such ex-greats as Art Monk, Charles Mann, Mark Moseley, Tony McGee (among others) was a great coup for the ENTIRE Redskins online community. And we wanted to share with everyone how things were progressing. Things are moving along well for a spring game by the way, we'll get you more details by the end of August.

But it feels like what ES did was basically go behind our back with the Redskins, and in the process shut Joe Crisp out (not to mention the reporters over at Hogs.net and HailRedskins.com).

But anyway, bygones. Congrats to Extreme. They've done excellent work and I hold no grudges. And congratulations to all the other sites (Warpath.net, Hogs.net, HailRedskins.com) for their continued commitment to the knowledgeable Redskins fan.

Nice to be a part of this board

Hesitant as I am to stir this up even MORE ... the notion that we went "behind anyone's back" in this thing is just preposterous. The Washington Redskins approached US about the possibility of incorportating ES into redskins.com when they decided they were going to institute a MB. Those preliminary exploratory discussions, and then all the subsequent negotiations that ultimately resulted in an agreement were NOT for public consumption ... and it frankly strains credulity to think anyone would believe they were.

It is also giving us WAY too much credit to think that we had any pull or say in who did or did not get media access to camps. Seriously ... we're running their message board. We are NOT making executive decisions on how and with whom they do business.

The Redskins are building a site that includes, among other things, a message board. Through long, painstaking negotiation, they reached an arrangement with us to create one. Now it's up to each Redskin fan as an individual to decide if the product we come up with as a result is worthy of their time. Is it too much to ask that their perceptions not be colored and/or poisoned by the leaders of other forums passing along mis- and disinformation?

I won't "argue" or debate the point further here on thehogs.net dime, but I did want to at least suggest that there is in fact a yin to this yang.

Thanks for the opportunity to try ...

THN IS THE BEST REDSKINS SITE. SECOND TO NONE.

Smithian · Post by **Smithian** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:47 pm

Good post, RIC.

Om · Post by Om » Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:49 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:
Om wrote:I did want to at least suggest that there is in fact a yin to this yang.

Thanks for the opportunity to try ...

Thanks for the suggestion. Even more useful would be a constructive attitude by ALL to allow EQUAL access to people that put similar work and sacrifice to support their team.

By this, I mean of course that there are several boards whose informed staff DESERVE to be treated with the same deference and respect that some appear to have gained so far. I ask for EQUAL opportunity to the staff of ALL boards. Is that too much to ask?

I am not unhappy that the Redskins FINALLY have come up with the bright idea to incorporate a FAN message board in their site. Kudos to the "smart" guy who discovered the fact that fans may want to have a place to have a say. (!)

But it would be a disaster for the Redskin organisation to recognise the work of some and to disregard the work done by others. I personally do not want to be a member of any other board than this one. Why? because it contains quality posts and articles written by sensible and well informed people. Quality over quantity is better for me thank you very much.

I also LOVE the independence of this board to comment on the work done by ANYBODY in the Redskins organization. While it remains to be seen whether posters in that new board can write something critical about anybody from the ownership down to the front office or the administration, I hope that they are open minded to accept it.

If the effort by the Redskins organization is truly founded in a genuine desire to reach to the fans, ALL THE FANS, they can not give preferential access to some without the risk to alienate others.

So if the ying is fine, the yang must indeed go with it. Or as we say in Canada, "what is good for the goose, is good for the gander".

I have no problem with that, sir, nor do any of my colleagues at ES. But it's a matter properly taken up with the Redskins, not a frustration to be inaccurately, unrealistically and unfairly blamed on a handful of guys, just like yourselves, who happen to love the team and work like hell to produce a good product ... but who also happen to be part of the board the team elected to approach.

That's the sole point I hoped to make here.

With that, I WILL now retire from the conversation on your board, out of the very respect I do in fact have for your community.

Here's hoping we cross paths again ...

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:01 pm

Om wrote:I have no problem with that, sir, nor do any of my colleagues at ES. But it's a matter properly taken up with the Redskins, not a frustration to be inaccurately, unrealistically and unfairly blamed on a handful of guys, just like yourselves, who happen to love the team and work like hell to produce a good product ... but who also happen to be part of the board the team elected to approach.

That's the sole point I hoped to make here.

With that, I WILL now retire from the conversation on your board, out of the very respect I do in fact have for your community.

Here's hoping we cross paths again ...

What part of my post do you regard as as "a frustration to be inaccurately, unrealistically and unfairly blamed on a handful of guys"???

Is my post not intended to reach to you and ALL other fans in other boards who have honoured us with a visit?

For the record, I personally do not "blame" anybody for anything. In fact, I congratulated ES on a post earlier in this thread. I still do.

You are right in that this is an issue for the Redskins organization to consider. I expressed a hope that their move does not alienate good people, like yourseves, as a result of preferential access to some and not ALL.

On that note, farewell to you out of respect that I also have for your community as well.

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:04 pm

I concur Om. While I would love for this situation to have worked out to where access was opened to all of the major fan sites, the decision was not for ES to make.

The Redskins made a good move in acquiring a board with 35,000 members and an experienced staff to run it, rather than to start from scratch.

No one outside of the REdskins organization and the select few from ES were privvy to the negotiations nor the terms of the completed deal, so the rest of us will just have to be patient and wait and see how things turn out.

Good Luck Om and the rest of your crew. I hope things work out as you have planned them. For the rest of us, we will wait and see, while continuing to work our tails off to serve our community and our passion for the Redskins.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:08 pm

You are a class act JansenFan.

RiC

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:10 pm

RiC wrote:Even more useful would be a constructive attitude by ALL to allow EQUAL access to people that put similar work and sacrifice to support their team.

It would have been hard for Om, Blade, or whoever that was approached about the merger to stay - We'd love to join redskins.com... but you need to include Hailskin.com, Warpath.net THN and others. If they had said that - "the Danny" would still be looking for a message board.

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:20 pm

1niksder wrote:
RiC wrote:Even more useful would be a constructive attitude by ALL to allow EQUAL access to people that put similar work and sacrifice to support their team.

It would have been hard for Om, Blade, or whoever that was approached about the merger to stay - We'd love to join redskins.com... but you need to include Hailskin.com, Warpath.net THN and others. If they had said that - "the Danny" would still be looking for a message board.

I don't think that's the point. And I don't think anyone is saying that ES has done anything wrong (at least not on this message board).

The point is, the Redskins community was left in the dark (by the Redskins), and responded exactly how you might expect a bunch of people accustomed to open and honest conversations to react.

mattyk72 · Post by **mattyk72** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 4:14 pm

1niksder wrote:
RiC wrote:Even more useful would be a constructive attitude by ALL to allow EQUAL access to people that put similar work and sacrifice to support their team.

It would have been hard for Om, Blade, or whoever that was approached about the merger to stay - We'd love to join redskins.com... but you need to include Hailskin.com, Warpath.net THN and others. If they had said that - "the Danny" would still be looking for a message board.

I have no problem with the merge itself, but for the Redskins to knowingly exclude the remaining fan sites by stripping them of their camp credentials at the last minute wasn't a wise move in my opinion and it's contributed to some of the resentment that's being felt out there.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 4:21 pm

cvillehog wrote:I don't think that's the point. And I don't think anyone is saying that ES has done anything wrong (at least not on this message board).

The point is, the Redskins community was left in the dark (by the Redskins), and responded exactly how you might expect a bunch of people accustomed to open and honest conversations to react.

I've read: "ES sold out"... "They went behind our backs" and suggestions that ES should have at the least demand other sites be included. Granted most of these statement weren't posted by any of our regular members, but they did register to make they comments.

I posted earlier that BH has gone out of his way (way out of his way) to bring us the info we crave this time of year and still had to take time to calm the board. He even mentioned that he posted at ES in a effort to restore order. Now we Om coming over to state his case, Blade visited yesterday. TAFKAS even popped in to stir the pot from over at Warpath.

My whole point is this merger as nothing to do with what is done at THN or ES, it's about a decsion the Redskins made that will have little or no effect on ous as THN members. I'm pretty sure there was a training camp update posted today, we link at least the top 10 news stories everyday, The forums are still moderated and open. So BH as better things to do. SO does Om (he's in the mist of a merger). Does he really have time to keep the peace amoung fans of the same team.

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 4:22 pm

I completely agree that the way the Redskins handled this could have been better. It just seems as though ES is taking the brunt of the blame.

It was also more problematic for thewarpath, because you guys have had access for sometime. joecrisp was a proven commodity at Redskins Park, and even though he had access for a newspaper, not being allowed to use the coverage on his home web site seems a bit silly.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 4:28 pm

mattyk72 wrote:
1niksder wrote:
RiC wrote:Even more useful would be a constructive attitude by ALL to allow EQUAL access to people that put similar work and sacrifice to support their team.

It would have been hard for Om, Blade, or whoever that was approached about the merger to stay - We'd love to join redskins.com... but you need to include Hailskin.com, Warpath.net THN and others. If they had said that - "the Danny" would still be looking for a message board.

I have no problem with the merge itself, but for the Redskins to knowingly exclude the remaining fan sites by stripping them of their camp credentials at the last minute wasn't a wise move in my opinion and it's contributed to some of the resentment that's being felt out there.

Yeah I understand where you are coming from, I read the story on WP. This all falls on the Skins but it's the fansites that seem to be point fingers at each other.

As far as the changes that will be made over at ES to get this gig and how it will effect the content over there is what we should be worried about.

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 4:31 pm

So, like everything else the Danny negotiates (Domino's, Popeyes, Independence Air, etc.), will ES be "The Official Message Board of the Washington Redskins"? Just wondering.

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 4:39 pm

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:So, like everything else the Danny negotiates (Domino's, Popeyes, Independence Air, etc.), will ES be "The Official Message Board of the Washington Redskins"? Just wondering.

Yeah, I believe so. From what I understand, it will reside at Redskins.com, and be run by the existing staff and moderators of Extremeskins. Hey, I wonder if it will be "Extremeskins at Redskins.com Built by the Home Depot"?

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 4:42 pm

"Extremeskins at Redskins.com Built by the Home Depot. . .

. . .Powered by Popeyes and Brought to You by FedEx"