Concerned about lack of size in our receiving corp

Cooley4MVP · Post by **Cooley4MVP** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:50 pm

We have speedsters at WR..which is good, I love speed. I still think we need a guy who can out jump a DB and go and get the ball. With Moss..Patten..Jacobs..Thrash, we do not have that. I certainly hope McCants gets more PT. If we had resigned Smoot we could have drafted a tall swift wideout...but ohh well

Punu · Post by **Punu** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:14 pm

Jacobs..Thrash, we do not have that. I certainly hope McCants

well you said it right there... and our new addition who's 6'3... we have depth... dont really think there's any need to be concered with our WR's size anymore... If RAMSEY can get the ball to them.... they'll bring it down... we have size ranging from 5'10 to 6'3 and speed it not an issue... were set... now just no stupid mistakes...
ie: dropped balls

Cooley4MVP · Post by **Cooley4MVP** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:23 pm

they did not offer Harrell a deal

ArizonaHOG · Post by **ArizonaHOG** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:37 pm

I am a little concerned about the lack of size, especially for our red zone offense where there is less room for the speedy guys to run. McCants and/or Dyson might be able to help here. It will also be necessary for our speedy receivers to be able to get off the line of scrimmage when defenses are playing tight man/bump and run coverage against us. If they get knocked off their routes to easily it will affect the timing in the passing game. But we really needed speed to loosen up the defenses for the running game.

FanofallthatisGibbs · Post by **FanofallthatisGibbs** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 8:52 pm

Cooley4MVP wrote: I certainly hope McCants gets more PT. If we had resigned Smoot we could have drafted a tall swift wideout...but ohh well

I agree, McCants needs to step up to the challenges of competition for some playing time.

Had we re-signed Smoot, what cap room would we have to draft a tall swift wideout in the first round? Their salaries are sick. Just ask TO, he's not in the top 10 and he is getting paid like a UN contract manager of the oil-for-food program. Also, this would have prevented us from picking up other key people that will make this team deep on O-line, ST and secondary (especially safety position).

We'll be fine with all the speed. i just hope Ramsey turns out to be a good team leader. So much rests on his shoulders this year. He could be the next Drew Brees in terms of comeback player of the year...

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 8:54 pm

One word...

SMURFS

Scottskins · Post by **Scottskins** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:08 pm

Cooley4MVP wrote:We have speedsters at WR..which is good, I love speed. I still think we need a guy who can out jump a DB and go and get the ball. With Moss..Patten..Jacobs..Thrash, we do not have that. I certainly hope McCants gets more PT. If we had resigned Smoot we could have drafted a tall swift wideout...but ohh well

no we couldn't have, they were all gone by the time we picked...

only Williams was left, and he's a bust.

and we have a great group of receivers, we don't need anyone else. It would have been a wasted pick to pick a receiver unless we coulda got Braylon.

curveball · Post by **curveball** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:24 pm

IF Ramsey's the starter, your lack of size at wide receiver will not hurt you at all. Size only matters when getting the ball downfield. Ramsey was statistically one of the worst QBs in the league in downfield passing.

His strength lies in the fact that he was one of the most accurate passers in the league on passes of less than 12 yards. You'll see plenty of slants and quick ins that take advantage of your receivers ability to use their speed after the catch, especially Moss.

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:40 pm

What you will see is Gibbs set a trend because of the improved no chuck rule.

Cooley4MVP · Post by **Cooley4MVP** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:56 am

SIZE does matter....you have more catch points on a guy with a larger frame than some 5-10 scat back type of guy. Give me Roy Williams, Charles Rogers, Mike Williams, TO, Moss, Boldin,Burress...over any of the guys we have on our Roster at Wideout. Our lack of size will be a big issue you watch....ohh and Mark Clayton and a few other quality guys were on the board when we made out first pick

Cooley4MVP · Post by **Cooley4MVP** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:59 am

What happened when Steve Spurrier tried to take 3rd string wideouts and start them at #2 or in the slot...Green Anthony...do not even play anymore. Thrash Patten and Dyson are all #3 wideouts. I am not excited at all about our passing game

hkHog · Post by **hkHog** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:47 am

Mark Clayton is listed as 5'10 3/4" or 5'11" so I fail to see how drafting him would have fixed this problem.

Last year we had two guys who couldn't get seperation or get open downfield. Now we have three real speedsters. If you want to stop the opposing team from stacking the line this is exactly what you need. Having small, fast recievers is going to benefit Portis more than anyone else.

It's not ideal to have only small recievers but we do have McCants for the red zone and Cool

ey also proved himself to be a great possesion reciever. Without Cool

ey I would be really worried but he makes me feel better. Royal also proved to be a great target in the red zone.

Finally, I agree that the chuck rule definately is working in our favor. I see the logic behind our WR core, I just hope that this all pans out. I am sure that at the very least we are going to have more big plays this year. Using the shotgun and our speedy WRs it is pretty evident that we are going to have a much more verticle passing offense and things will open up for Portis.

ArizonaHOG · Post by **ArizonaHOG** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:09 am

The speedy guys will also help with other aspects of our offense, like the end around/reverse plays. Last year, it seemed these plays were included in the game plan quite often with coles and gardner, but neither were able to "get around the corner" enough to make the defense respect it and hold contain. The defensive ends will now be left to make a decision with these types of plays, either crash down the line with the "flow" or hold contain. This should help open holes for Portis. The broncos do this very effectively and I'm sure Portis knows how to exploit this advantage.

hatsOFF2gibbs · Post by **hatsOFF2gibbs** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:43 am

The problem will not be our WRs this year. It'll be our QB getting it to our WRs. (That's if we HAVE a problem)

Skins2theBowl · Post by **Skins2theBowl** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:42 pm

Having the small receivers makes it easier for teams to match up with us. They might me quick, but NFL Executives aren't drafting slow DBs. I think it was a terrible move by the skins to not pay Smoot the money to resign him. If we resign Smoot we have no need for a Cornerback, we dont draft Rodgers, and Mike Williams falls into our lap. We are going to end up paying Rodgers, an unproven corner, something in the ballpark of what Smoot got. We have been terrible in free agency, we pay too much for players that dont produce, yet we wont pay for guys who have produced on our team. It dont make sense to me.

HailSkins94 · Post by **HailSkins94** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:51 pm

With the new rules of DB's not being able to lay a fingernail on the reciever(total *sh$t*) I think smaller recievers might help us with 1.) the tick tack penalties and 2.) The speed for seperation.

sch1977 · Post by **sch1977** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 1:01 pm

Scottskins wrote:
Cooley4MVP wrote:We have speedsters at WR..which is good, I love speed. I still think we need a guy who can out jump a DB and go and get the ball. With Moss..Patten..Jacobs..Thrash, we do not have that. I certainly hope McCants gets more PT. If we had resigned Smoot we could have drafted a tall swift wideout...but ohh well

no we couldn't have, they were all gone by the time we picked...

only Williams was left, and he's a bust.

and we have a great group of receivers, we don't need anyone else. It would have been a wasted pick to pick a receiver unless we coulda got Braylon.

I think Williams will be the best of the class

sch1977 · Post by **sch1977** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 1:01 pm

Cooley4MVP wrote:SIZE does matter....you have more catch points on a guy with a larger frame than some 5-10 scat back type of guy. Give me Roy Williams, Charles Rogers, Mike Williams, TO, Moss, Boldin,Burress...over any of the guys we have on our Roster at Wideout. Our lack of size will be a big issue you watch....ohh and Mark Clayton and a few other quality guys were on the board when we made out first pick

Clayton is no bigger than moss

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 1:20 pm

Cooley4MVP wrote:SIZE does matter....you have more catch points on a guy with a larger frame than some 5-10 scat back type of guy. Give me Roy Williams, Charles Rogers, Mike Williams, TO, Moss, Boldin,Burress...over any of the guys we have on our Roster at Wideout. Our lack of size will be a big issue you watch....ohh and Mark Clayton and a few other quality guys were on the board when we made out first pick

I guess Marvin Harrison, Hines Ward, Torry Holt, Jerry Rice all are incapable of scoring touchdowns.

THIS IS NOT A VIDEO GAME, height is an advantage if you assume that when the team gets to the 20, they will automatically start throwing it up for grabs. That is not the case. We have guys who are capable of getting open, and we also have some possession receivers in McCants and Dyson. Its up to Ramsey to get them the ball.

If that were the case Rod Gardner would have been our red zone threat.

Cooley4MVP · Post by **Cooley4MVP** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 1:23 pm

Chris

ey is our biggest threat in the passing game

hkHog · Post by **hkHog** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 1:33 pm

The Hogster wrote:
Cooley4MVP wrote:SIZE does matter....you have more catch points on a guy with a larger frame than some 5-10 scat back type of guy. Give me Roy Williams, Charles Rogers, Mike Williams, TO, Moss, Boldin,Burress...over any of the guys we have on our Roster at Wideout. Our lack of size will be a big issue you watch....ohh and Mark Clayton and a few other quality guys were on the board when we made out first pick

I guess Marvin Harrison, Hines Ward, Torry Holt, Jerry Rice all are incapable of scoring touchdowns.

THIS IS NOT A VIDEO GAME, height is an advantage if you assume that when the team gets to the 20, they will automatically start throwing it up for grabs. That is not the case. We have guys who are capable of getting open, and we also have some possession receivers in McCants and Dyson. Its up to Ramsey to get them the ball.

If that were the case Rod Gardner would have been our red zone threat.

Exactly.

Also, if we have a verticle big play offense we may not even have to worry about scoring in the red zone. If Ramsey can throw the ball down the field we can score from anywhere on the field!

What's more, Cool

ey and Royal were great in the redzone last year. We can always go to them when we need to.

King Cali Skin 2 · Post by **King Cali Skin 2** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:16 pm

Yes, we need the speedsters as in Moss and Patten to get us down field with the deeper balls and open up the D, then pound the Red Zone with Nemo and Mr. UCLA or run some stretch play with Super Fast Portis. We got Cool

ey down the middle and McCants (must prove himself) to go up for grabs,

Think A. Boldin is a stud, Go FSU !!!
And Greg Williams (RB, Jaguars) was amazing while @ FSU. J. Bettis type back, brutal on the D.

hkHog · Post by **hkHog** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:32 pm

I think a lot of people are forgetting about Robert Royal.

He only really played in the last six games of the year and he scored TDs in four of the last five! This guy is a LEGIT red zone threat!

Skins2theBowl · Post by **Skins2theBowl** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:40 pm

I guess Marvin Harrison, Hines Ward, Torry Holt, Jerry Rice all are incapable of scoring touchdowns.

All of the guys you listed have had great QB's throwing to them or have a big WR on the otherside of the field playing with them. Also these guys had play/played for teams with a very good running game which opens up alot of things. The skins have a unproven running game, an unproven QB, and a bunch of small WRs. The point is that yeah all those guys were great as small WR's but other people around them made them better.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:43 pm

Skins2theBowl wrote:
I guess Marvin Harrison, Hines Ward, Torry Holt, Jerry Rice all are incapable of scoring touchdowns.

All of the guys you listed have had great QB's throwing to them or have a big WR on the otherside of the field playing with them. Also these guys had play/played for teams with a very good running game which opens up alot of things. The skins have a unproven running game, an unproven QB, and a bunch of small WRs. The point is that yeah all those guys were great as small WR's but other people around them made them better.

You do have a point that on paper this group looks incredible. However until we see them on the field we'll never know. Until them its not too farfetched to believe that they'll pull through for us based off of Ramseys improvement last year, and improvement made to our running game.

I believe what makes Marvin and Peyton so good is that they practice, practice, practice, practice! They do it when they're made to and when they're not supposed to. They get that repitition and timing. Hopefully Ramsey is tossing the ball around with a sure handed WR for more than 5 min after each practice.

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