Jansen is ready to play ...

[SKINZ_DOMIN8]

Remember, Skinz and Crazy - Jansen got hurt in the preseason of last year. It's not as if he was hurt late in the season. He has had ample time to recover and will be in training camp/preseason to shake the rust. Furthermore, Crazy - you said something about BS expectations - does that go for BS pessimism as well? Take some of your own medicine and stop being so freakin' negative. Look at the definition of a fanatic or fan:

fa•nat•ic P Pronunciation Key (f -n t k)
n.
A person marked or motivated by an extreme, unreasoning enthusiasm, as for a cause.

fan2 P Pronunciation Key (f n)
n.
An ardent devotee; an enthusiast.


I don't think you guys fit the definition of a fan, at least a fan of the Redskins. Must you bash EVERYTHING that EVERYONE says around here? It's played out....

Win or lose, I've always been a fan of this team. I'll always hold out (realistic) hope b/c that's what being a fan is about.

I don't bash, I expose. A real "fan" isn't some rah-rah loser that wears team apparell and cheers when their team makes stupid decisions.

I am however, very interested in what you believe I have said wrong. The bottom line is you cannot defend any of your "positions."

Now if the Redskins catch lightning in a bottle and go 14-2, Ramsey throws 35 td's, etc....then I will be the first to apologize. But I surely doubt that is going to happen.

I will dovetail to what I said in an earlier post, that I am optimistic that the Skins will be better because of the overall talent level not because a bunch of drunk, beer drinking, tattooed "fans" make emotional, anecdotal guesses.

[SKINZ_DOMIN8]

The most key point anyone has made in this entire thread:

Must you bash EVERYTHING that EVERYONE says around here? It's played out....

PLEASE READ THIS OVER AND OVER CRAZY AND DOMIN8!!!

If I were to say what I'd like to say in reply to this "thought-provoking" and "contributing" post then I would probably get banned.

So I will just say that you should take off your Burgundy and Gold sunglasses and find a clue.

I have said it before, I have watched the Skins since 1978, way before the vast majority of "posters" were even born. That's why these people don't understand worthy criticism of their team. Heck, most of you weren't even alive during the first Gibbs run. Therefore you really shouldn't even be posting about things you know nothing about.

[Gibbs' Hog]

This would be a very boring site indeed if you had it your way. Now no one can be considered a true fan unless they've been watching the Skins for 30 years?!



I only have one question for you Domin_H8:

If you can realize that a so-called 'freak' chance might allow an optimistic fan to be correct in their optimistic prediction, shouldn't you also realize that a 'freak' chance could cause one or more of your negative predictions to be incorrect?

[EasyMoney]

I don't bash, I expose. A real "fan" isn't some rah-rah loser that wears team apparell and cheers when their team makes stupid decisions.

This is lovely. You expose what exactly? You expose your negative opinion and pessimistic views? We all can certainly see that. What you're doing is bashing. The reason you're bashing is because this team hasn't even played a down and you're already writing off the season. Your so called stupid decisions are based on what exactly? YOUR OPINION? Is that correct? You certainly do not have any factual evidence because the season starts in September and it's only JULY.

I am however, very interested in what you believe I have said wrong. The bottom line is you cannot defend any of your "positions."

We've been defending our positions for months, you just seem to disregard them. People come in all forms but I don't think I've ever met any fans of a team quite like the trifecta we have here.

Now if the Redskins catch lightning in a bottle and go 14-2, Ramsey throws 35 td's, etc....then I will be the first to apologize. But I surely doubt that is going to happen.

If that happens I doubt you'll post anything here for a year. The second you do, everyone is going to jump ALL over you. Frankly, I'm curious to see what a celebratory or positive post from a member of the trifecta reads/sounds like.

I will dovetail to what I said in an earlier post, that I am optimistic that the Skins will be better because of the overall talent level not because a bunch of drunk, beer drinking, tattooed "fans" make emotional, anecdotal guesses.[/color]

The teapot calling the kettle black? OHHHHH, that's right you can predict the future. You do the same thing only negative!

[SKINZ_DOMIN8]

I am not negative, just realistic.

The Redskins have made the playoffs how many times since Gibbs left?

Once?

You would think with the amount of bandwagon homers on this site that we have been perennial superbowl contenders. NOT.

It is okay to be optimistic as I am but not fervently to the point where all logic has been discounted.

[Redskins1974]

Well Skinz - I've been following the team my whole life (born in '74) so we've been watching them for roughly the same period of time. I saw my first game in Gibbs' first year in action vs. Detroit in ‘81. What's there to expose about a fellow fan? Are we all a part of some conspiracy called rooting for our favorite team? I think many of the decisions made from approximately '95 to 2003 were stupid decisions. However, I think the restraint we practiced this off season was the best thing we could have done. Am I upset we lost a few guys? Sure... Am I upset we didn't sign any flashy players? No way - I'm glad we didn't. They (flashy players) haven't done squat for us in recent years. You site the fact that most posting here weren't alive during Gibbs' first run yet you currently have no faith in Gibbs after ONE YEAR back? What's up with that?

So, by you saying that none of us can defend any of our positions ("The bottom line is you cannot defend any of your "positions."") , are you saying you are the Supreme Overlord of all thing's Redskins? Do you carry the magic wand that determines who and who are not Redskins fans? Are you in Joe Gibbs' head? You must be in the Redskins locker room if that's what you meant by that statement. I'm glad we have someone on the board who can defend ALL of the Redskins positions - to you I say, Bravo... Thank you for your insight.

Back to the the topic at hand. Jansen is not only a really good player; he's a leader on and off the field. Therefore, his presence alone will help the line/team.

One other thing, I don't think the Redskins are going to go 12-4 (I'd love it if it happened of course), I'm just looking for marked improvement and a shot at the playoffs. If you look back on many of my posts when Gibbs came back I said that it would take two to three years to turn things around and that patience is needed. I still stick by that. This is year two - 8-8 or better is an improvement and anything better is icing on the cake. Next year is when I think we'll have a real shot to go deep.

So, I'm not looking through "Burgundy and Gold sunglasses." I have a realistic "clue" about this team - only my realism is grounded in optimism and not bashing each and every thing that someone says on this site (or turning each post negative)... It's not just you Skinz - you others know who I'm talking to.

Amen

[EasyMoney]

I am not negative, just realistic.

The Redskins have made the playoffs how many times since Gibbs left?

Once?

You would think with the amount of bandwagon homers on this site that we have been perennial superbowl contenders. NOT.

It is okay to be optimistic as I am but not fervently to the point where all logic has been discounted.

What does that have to do with the Redskins of 2005? You know why we act this way? Because we're Skins fans, easily the most loyal fans in football. Possibly the world. The reason this franchise is worth what its worth is because we fill the stands and we buy their merchandise year after year. I'm not even sure what the waiting list for season tickets is these days. I'm never offered the upperbowl seats!!! Anyways, that's called loyalty. If I would've grown up anything other than a Skins fan my family would've probably disowned me. Well not really but... I was raised a Skins fan and I'll do the same for my children. They will probably be just as passionate and OPTIMISTIC about this team as I am.

Name one post-er who discounts all logic? Actually, don't do that. It's against the rules. Show me a post where all logic is discounted. Of the close to 2,000 members on the site, I've read maybe one or two that had SuperBowl expectations. The point is no one is the best team right now. The Pats are the defending champs but they must defend it. This league is set up so that each team has a fair chance every year. No team is the best at this point. If you're a fan of one specific team I would hope that you'd stand in that teams corner. You might stand in the Redskins corner but you bash the players constantly. That's contradictory isn't it? The players, coaches and coaches decisions essentially make up the Redskins right? I'm very confused with you guys. You make a point to negatize threads and that doesn't make sense to me or anyone else.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Skinz, your OPINION isn't any better than anyone elses on this site. I've rarely seen anybody here say that we seriosuly are superbowl bound.

Your opinion is basic and not hard to form. Of course you can just blurt out that we won't be that good based off of previous seasons. Any idiot can figure that out, like Lenny pastabelly. Why be down on your team? Half the fun is talking trash and being hopeful that your team will do great. Why even be a fan if you're going to aim so low and be so down on your team?

[SKINZ_DOMIN8]

Well Skinz - I've been following the team my whole life (born in '74) so we've been watching them for roughly the same period of time. I saw my first game in Gibbs' first year in action vs. Detroit in ‘81. What's there to expose about a fellow fan? Are we all a part of some conspiracy called rooting for our favorite team? I think many of the decisions made from approximately '95 to 2003 were stupid decisions. However, I think the restraint we practiced this off season was the best thing we could have done. Am I upset we lost a few guys? Sure... Am I upset we didn't sign any flashy players? No way - I'm glad we didn't. They (flashy players) haven't done squat for us in recent years. You site the fact that most posting here weren't alive during Gibbs' first run yet you currently have no faith in Gibbs after ONE YEAR back? What's up with that?

So, by you saying that none of us can defend any of our positions ("The bottom line is you cannot defend any of your "positions."") , are you saying you are the Supreme Overlord of all thing's Redskins? Do you carry the magic wand that determines who and who are not Redskins fans? Are you in Joe Gibbs' head? You must be in the Redskins locker room if that's what you meant by that statement. I'm glad we have someone on the board who can defend ALL of the Redskins positions - to you I say, Bravo... Thank you for your insight.

Back to the the topic at hand. Jansen is not only a really good player; he's a leader on and off the field. Therefore, his presence alone will help the line/team.

One other thing, I don't think the Redskins are going to go 12-4 (I'd love it if it happened of course), I'm just looking for marked improvement and a shot at the playoffs. If you look back on many of my posts when Gibbs came back I said that it would take two to three years to turn things around and that patience is needed. I still stick by that. This is year two - 8-8 or better is an improvement and anything better is icing on the cake. Next year is when I think we'll have a real shot to go deep.

So, I'm not looking through "Burgundy and Gold sunglasses." I have a realistic "clue" about this team - only my realism is grounded in optimism and not bashing each and every thing that someone says on this site (or turning each post negative)... It's not just you Skinz - you others know who I'm talking to.

Amen

So your entire post is one affirmation of every single thing I have been saying, especially your first paragraph.

I am beginning to seriously think that the vast majority agree with me but are too afraid to say so.

But I know the truth. Hail Skins.

[NikiH]

Funny how you don't answer my post about the actual topic you only answer to attack me in a round about way. I am no teenager and I've been a fan for quite some time so don't judge me or think you have a clue about who I am. I know a hell of alot about football and because my opinion differs from yours you cannot accept that it could be right.

Oh and by the way I completely hated the decision to get Brunnell last year. Look back when he was signed. I never supported the decision. So I don't just follow blindly. I have an opinion. And the next time you feel the need to insult me in a round about way, why not take yourself into the Talking Smack forum so that I can tell you exactly what I think of your attitude without being banned.

[SKINZ_DOMIN8]

I am not negative, just realistic.

The Redskins have made the playoffs how many times since Gibbs left?

Once?

You would think with the amount of bandwagon homers on this site that we have been perennial superbowl contenders. NOT.

It is okay to be optimistic as I am but not fervently to the point where all logic has been discounted.

What does that have to do with the Redskins of 2005? You know why we act this way? Because we're Skins fans, easily the most loyal fans in football. Possibly the world. The reason this franchise is worth what its worth is because we fill the stands and we buy their merchandise year after year. I'm not even sure what the waiting list for season tickets is these days. I'm never offered the upperbowl seats!!! Anyways, that's called loyalty. If I would've grown up anything other than a Skins fan my family would've probably disowned me. Well not really but... I was raised a Skins fan and I'll do the same for my children. They will probably be just as passionate and OPTIMISTIC about this team as I am.

Name one post-er who discounts all logic? Actually, don't do that. It's against the rules. Show me a post where all logic is discounted. Of the close to 2,000 members on the site, I've read maybe one or two that had SuperBowl expectations. The point is no one is the best team right now. The Pats are the defending champs but they must defend it. This league is set up so that each team has a fair chance every year. No team is the best at this point. If you're a fan of one specific team I would hope that you'd stand in that teams corner. You might stand in the Redskins corner but you bash the players constantly. That's contradictory isn't it? The players, coaches and coaches decisions essentially make up the Redskins right? I'm very confused with you guys. You make a point to negatize threads and that doesn't make sense to me or anyone else.

Its not contradictory.....its called not being a HOMER.

And yes, I hate to burst your bubble but there are certain teams better than ours. New England, Philthy, Indy, ArmPittsburgh, just to mention a few.

Until we prove otherwise we are not a good team. Why can't people understand that?

[SKINZ_DOMIN8]

Funny how you don't answer my post about the actual topic you only answer to attack me in a round about way. I am no teenager and I've been a fan for quite some time so don't judge me or think you have a clue about who I am. I know a hell of alot about football and because my opinion differs from yours you cannot accept that it could be right.

Oh and by the way I completely hated the decision to get Brunnell last year. Look back when he was signed. I never supported the decision. So I don't just follow blindly. I have an opinion. And the next time you feel the need to insult me in a round about way, why not take yourself into the Talking Smack forum so that I can tell you exactly what I think of your attitude without being banned.

First of all I never insulted you and you can't even remotely offer any proof.

Secondly, I will be the first to admit that I supported the Brunell decision and still do--he still will probably play for the Skins this year whether the HOMERS/Ramseyites like it or not.

Thirdly, if I wasn't clear enough for you then YES, JANSEN IS ENTIRELY OVER-RATED. He didn't do anything last year except languish on the sidelines rehabbing his achilles. So he of all people need to shut it up. Can I be any more clearer?

I am noticing a shift in the people that, at the very least, agree with me as opposed to those that don't.

Time will tell who is right but I am sitting here pretty content in knowing that: A. Ramsey is not the answer. B. A lot of the players on this team, if not the vast majority, are NOT....repeat.......NOT "Redskins for life" or "hardcore Redskins" or whatever the bandwagon wants to call them. Just wait till their contracts are up and then we shall see. C. I do believe we will be better because the overall talent level on this team is probably the best in a number of years.

Can I be any more clearer?

[NikiH]

First of all your final line is the biggest oxymoron I've seen in quite some time, I just wonder if you are actually cleaver enough to have engineered that??

Secondly you did insult me in a very direct but still skating the rules way.

And my final point which you don't seem to grasp is all players get injured. Jansen was in no way, shape, or form milking an injury so that he did not have to contribute. This injury is quite common among line men and he did a damned good job of recovering. There are other athletes that don't do quite as well in recovering from major injuries. Jansen has proven himself over and over and next year will be no different. So what will shut you up? Does Jansen have to be voted to the pro bowl? Does he have to be nationally recognized for his contribution to our team? Whatever it takes you just let me know and when it happens I fully expect an apology for your arrogant and pompas attitude. I have better things to do with my time then to deal with the posts you dream up just to stir things up. Hmmm is calling someone a homer within the rules of this site?

[SKINZ_DOMIN8]

First of all your final line is the biggest oxymoron I've seen in quite some time, I just wonder if you are actually cleaver enough to have engineered that??

Secondly you did insult me in a very direct but still skating the rules way.

And my final point which you don't seem to grasp is all players get injured. Jansen was in no way, shape, or form milking an injury so that he did not have to contribute. This injury is quite common among line men and he did a damned good job of recovering. There are other athletes that don't do quite as well in recovering from major injuries. Jansen has proven himself over and over and next year will be no different. So what will shut you up? Does Jansen have to be voted to the pro bowl? Does he have to be nationally recognized for his contribution to our team? Whatever it takes you just let me know and when it happens I fully expect an apology for your arrogant and pompas attitude. I have better things to do with my time then to deal with the posts you dream up just to stir things up. Hmmm is calling someone a homer within the rules of this site?

What will shut me up is the Redskins going to the playoffs period.

As far as Jansen, anything less than the playoffs then he and the rest of the team can go somewhere else. I'm like a lot of the real fans here.......tired of excuses, really tired of their mouths. Tired of the missing tackles/blocks/illegal motion/stupid penalties this team seems to be good at. Tired of their smiles and laughter during their postgame interviews after a loss.

Again, can I be any more clearer?

[sch1977]

The most key point anyone has made in this entire thread:

Must you bash EVERYTHING that EVERYONE says around here? It's played out....

PLEASE READ THIS OVER AND OVER CRAZY AND DOMIN8!!!

If I were to say what I'd like to say in reply to this "thought-provoking" and "contributing" post then I would probably get banned.

So I will just say that you should take off your Burgundy and Gold sunglasses and find a clue.

I have said it before, I have watched the Skins since 1978, way before the vast majority of "posters" were even born. That's why these people don't understand worthy criticism of their team. Heck, most of you weren't even alive during the first Gibbs run. Therefore you really shouldn't even be posting about things you know nothing about.

Actually genius, I was alive and well during Gibbs run and was a "true fan". As far as being a "beer drinking", "tatooed" fan who dropped out of the 3rd grade, you should check your facts. I have more degrees than you can count on one hand pal. I am glad you have been a fan since 1978, but that doesnt make what you say true. Do us all a favor and get in your one last post on this topic and lets be done with it.

[MarcusBeNimble]

TO get back to the original topic, Jon Jansen is one of the most underated tackels in the league and one of its classiest at that. I think hes gonna really do some big things for the right side this year, which oughta make clinton pretty pumped.

[1niksder]

I am not negative, just realistic.

Who you trying to convince? You gotta history here

just as well...

The Redskins have made the playoffs how many times since Gibbs left?

Once?

Your living in the past.... the 90's are gone the 80's are becoming a blurr... GET OVER IT

You would think with the amount of bandwagon homers on this site that we have been perennial superbowl contenders. NOT.

Resorting to group name calling, huh? I won't go there because you are right there are a lot of HPMERS on this site, But you are confused that because there is a larfe number of US on this site the team is winning year in and year out.
I"m a homer because I'm hear through thick and thin. I will ALWAYS look for the positive. You sound like one of those guys that would call yourself a Homer, but your not one of us and we are proud of that fact.
You probally pounded your your chest and yelled Hail to the Redskins with the best of them, until we hit hard times, then you started complaining about how you would do things different, to this day (I'd guess about 14 years). You are like those Bandwagon hoppers, you the one's that jump from team to team depending on who is winning. In truth you are worst than they are the will follow through and jump off, you on the other hand don't seem to have the guts(I'm being nice here since you don't venture into the one forum we all will welcome you into ) to take the leap. You just hang on and complain, won't listen to anything postive, you'd rather just flap in the wind.
You major issues with the Skins are the same issues that most of us have gotten beyound. You however really should let the Lavar thing go. I kind of understand your deal with Ramsey because he is the leader of the team, but IT IS A TEAM.

I am not negative, just realistic.

Sorry I had to go back to this, But this is just Plain WRONG. Members of this board from around the world Burned additional brain cells re-reading this one line. I've read it 4-5 times and still can't believe it. I formed a opinion and decided you really didn't know what you were trying to get across to people, now i realize you have know clue of how you come across to people


I

t is okay to be optimistic as I am but not fervently to the point where all logic has been discounted.

Collin Powel said ...
"Perpetual optimism is a force multipler."

The ripple effect of enthusiasm and optimism is awesome. So is the impact of cynicism and pessimism. Just so you know Mod or not...
I'll be the Homer dedicated to limiting you pessimistic impact

I don't thing BH will mind you calling me a Homer if I agree to it( and I have no problem with that). As far as the rest of the members of this site you should refer to their post and not how you would "tag" them. I'm sure there are a lot of tags that would have been hung on you if not for the rules.

[deepthoughtlife]

SKINZ_DOMIN8, injuries happen, and in no way does one injury make a player need to prove anything.

As I am not really a Redskins fan (I just started paying attention to the Skins when, and because they traded for Portis) I haven't seen Jansen play, but I have read up a bit on him, and there is no way he needs to prove anything. How can a very good player non Skins fans have rarely heard of be overrated?

Also as a bit of an outsider, I can say with only a little bias (it would be virtually none if Portis wasn't my favorite player), I can say that the Skins actually have a really good shot this year.

Greg Williams, formerly the Bills head coach, did an excellent job with your defense last year, and the defense did not get any worse in the off season (Pierce was decent, but he is not better than any of your likely starters at LB, and Walt Harris can do Smoot's old job just fine as long as the rest of the defense does it's job. If Carlos Rogers weren't injured he might actually have been an improvement). There is no reason to believe that the defense will get any worse this season.

On offense, I'm not a big believer in Joe Gibbs (I have no reason to be as I am not familiar with his previous coaching stint except that he was supposedly good) and whatever OC they might have dredged up (if they even have), but Joe Bugel is a very good oline coach, and in the Redskins line he has a lot to work with, especially at Tackle (Samuels is great, and reputable sources make Jansen sound very good as well). They have a truly great Halfback (Portis), a very good young HBack (Cooley), some good recievers (though Santanna Moss is a downgrade from Laveranues Coles, he can still be a big time reciever, and they picked decent recievers (David Patton, Kevin Dyson, and James Thrash) in free agency to complement Moss and, if he stays with the team, Rod Gardener). The only real question mark on the team is QB (which is fitting since a QB, Brunell, ruined their season last year), but Ramsey has a decent shot of doing well (pray they don't put Brunell back in -even starting Campbell as a rookie would be better). If Ramsey holds his own at QB the Redskins offense could be potent -especially if Joe Gibbs follows through with his pledge to open up the running game (give Portis a little room and he'll take a lot of yards).

With Santanna Moss, James Thrash, and Antonio Brown all competing for returner, the return game should be spectacular.

I would say that this team is an awful lot like the Ravens right now. The Redskins are stronger at runningback (both starter and backup being better), Hback (As the Ravens don't have one), and special teams. The Ravens are stronger at tight end, and DB (Reed is the Best Safety in the league and Chris Mcallister might be the best corner, but it isn't a total route at the unit if Sean Taylor comes back since Taylor is far better than the Ravens Free Safety (Reed is a SS)). A tie at Tackle since Johnathan Ogden (LT Ravens) is a bit better than Chris Samuels (LT Redskins) (Ogden is fairly old for an NFL player at 31) and Jansen (RT Skins) is better than Orlando Brown (RT Ravens), who turns 35 during this season.

My Prediction is that the Skins will be in contention until the very end of the season if Ramsey does a decent job -which unfortunately is not a given. A wild card slot is fairly likely, but a division title is unlikely as they would probably need to sweep the Eagles to get one (and they will likely lose to the Eagles twice. I would say the Redkins have a 50% (with ninety percent of that being between 10 and 12) chance of getting 10 or more wins, a 30% chance of getting between 7 and 9 wins, and a 20% chance of getting six or fewer wins.

Of course, feel free to disagree if you think I'm wrong, (And I know some of you do), as I don't follow the Redskins as closely as you and would appreciate any errors being pointed out.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Its sad when an outsider has more faith, insight, and hope for our team than a supposed Skin fan.

BTW deepthoughtlife, welcome to the Hogs.net.

[crazyhorse1]

No one should have to modify what he or she thinks on this site. What makes the site valuable is its diversity of honest opinion, which causes everyone to think. In my opinion, everyone on the site who is expressing his honest opinion is doing what he ought to be doing. So what if I'm a pessimist and you're an optimist? There're room for us both. I see problems on the OL. I don't see Dockery working out...because of head problems. Samuels has been playing with injuries for years and I expect the injuries to keep on affecting his play. I don't buy the idea that Thomas had a sub par year last year because he was covering for Raymer. I don't think Raymer was terrible last year or that Casey will be great...or that Jansen is a sure thing...or that Royal is going to have a breakout year.
I honestly think we're in potential trouble on the OL and think the site is an appropriate place to discuss the matter. What's wrong with that? If you disagree, great. I love to hear your reasons and views.

[NikiH]

The problem crazyhorse is that you don't "hear" anything anyone says. You disregard it because it's the opposite of what you think. I'm a little concerned about Royal but that doesn't mean I'm going to say things like "they have a lot to prove to me". I am a fan those players have not one thing to prove to me. It's all about attitude and it's disheartening to see the same one come from you and skinsdomin8 every damn time. Regardless of your demeanor there has to be something in this organization you believe in or why else would you be a fan?

[Gibbs' Hog]

What will shut me up is the Redskins going to the playoffs period.

Until next year.




BTW, what is your obsession with the Homer thing? It doesn't even make sense.

[BossHog]

skins_dominHate... you want to make a point of calling people out and blah, blah, blah... just one question... if you're so comfortable in your views... why do you bow out of EVERY SINGLE football conversation i've ever had with you? EVERY ONE... you just disappear from any thread where what you have said has been effectively refuted.

So much so that some people here know you for THAT more than your pessimism.


I find your posts a complete waste of time and were it not for having to moderate them, I'd skip them entirely for their complete lack of substance.

[SKINZ_DOMIN8]

skins_dominHate... you want to make a point of calling people out and blah, blah, blah... just one question... if you're so comfortable in your views... why do you bow out of EVERY SINGLE football conversation i've ever had with you? EVERY ONE... you just disappear from any thread where what you have said has been effectively refuted.

So much so that some people here know you for THAT more than your pessimism.


I find your posts a complete waste of time and were it not for having to moderate them, I'd skip them entirely for their complete lack of substance.

Without saying what I'd really like to say in reply to this post I will just add that you seem to be slightly delusional when you say I cut and run. AND I HAVE NEVER,EVER, CALLED ANY PARTICULAR POSTER OUT. But you can read this thread and see how some have specifically mentioned my name (against site rules) yet I haven't whined about it.

So here goes: What have I written that is wrong IN REGARDS TO THE TEAM AND ITS PLAYERS?

Hmmmm....so let me start.

First of all, Jansen is overrated. Hasn't done anything except complain about Spurrier and get injured. Wow, thats really defenseable.

Secondly, Ramsey is a bogus joke. I won't reveal what I could really say about him because I am willing to give him the smallest scintilla of the benefit of the doubt. Despite what the HOMERS do indeed fawn over him I have asked one question time and time again and no one dares to reply. What is his career win/loss record? Its that simple. No excuses, no stupid stats-- just the facts. Harrington, Carr, Rotlessburger, McNabb, Brady are all judged by the same criteria.

Thirdly, this site has some sick perversion with that worthless, pathetic ham-and-egger, ey. HE HAD 6 Touchdowns!!!!! You would have thought he dominated every game, caught 85 passes and was a top rated player. He's nothing more than an h-back, NOT a tight end. I don't like him and I admit it. He is a punk. But I really dislike him because he is a true indicator of how inept and incompetent our offense has been. 6 touchdowns, wow.

Crazyhorse and I are the best posters on this site because we don't drive the bandwagon nor blame the media (ouch, that one's really going to hurt the homers) for the Redskins embarassing record the past 14 plus years.

I proudly dissent against all things homerish because they are not rooted in logic but in emotion.

I will wait for your reply but I don't think you nor anyone, respectfully, can defeat or even place the smallest of chinks in my arguments.

In closing I think all of you need to pay homage to Crazyhorse and I for what we bring day in and day out to this site---without us it would be one big Redskins bandwagon ride. But we bring the logic and in return we get bashed. But I have noticed more and more of the posters in this site agreeing with me because they know I am right.

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Dude, you're a poser.