skins in trouble with league for OTA`s?

[tokyoskins]

check out profootballtalk.com

[1niksder]

Nothing to going on here more along.....
There's nothing to see here please continue on.

'SKINS INVESTIGATED FOR OTA VIOLATIONS
The Washington Redskins are in hot water with the NFL Players Association for alleged offseason workout violations.

We've heard from multiple league sources that the NFLPA is looking into whether the 'Skins have been engaging in 1-on-1 drills, which are a no-no for so-called Organized Team Activities.

And the evidence of the alleged violation hasn't come from an anonymous tip to the union. Instead, the investigation has been fueled by video of practices posted on the team's official web site.

More to come.

SLOW NEWS DAY

What? More to come.
We've all seen the OTA videos on redskin.com
It's always individual drills, or Offense only, or Defense only.

If it's a violation for a 63 year old coach to simulate what a CB will do, maybe.

But I don't see a story here.
And we all know this could be on ESPN BottomLine at anytime

[hatsOFF2gibbs]

This is bullcrap. Why are they always envious of a team which is actually working real hard? I hope this does not end the videos on Redskins.com because they were really nice to watch.
Great way to start off the morning...with this news!

[patjam77]

profootballtalk.com is worthless.

[hailskins666]

profootballtalk.com is worthless.

that about sums it up. i'd say the crackheads begging for change on the corner of 5th street are a more reliable source than profootballtalk.

[hatsOFF2gibbs]

Hopefully this won't be a big deal. It is profotballtalk.com right now but if this spreads to RELIABLE sources....than...that would just piss me off.

[runbillo]

Greetings from NYC: Just read on redskins.com that the Redskins union reps said they have no problem with the workouts being held at the OTA'S. Nice to see. If this were the cry babies on the Giants you would here all kinds of crying and moaning from the reps and the players. This is one reason we are going to be the Giants twice.

[gay4pacman]

gosh it must be tough being a skins fan in NYC horrible horrible

[Deadskins]

gosh it must be tough being a skins fan in NYC horrible horrible

I did it for nine years and it wasn't so bad. Then again, that was the 80's, and we were winning Super Bowls every few years.

[runbillo]

Greetings from NYC: Thank god for the NFL Ticket and our season tickets. There is nothing worse than watching the Giants at 1pm and the Jets at 4pm.

[hatsOFF2gibbs]

OTA Video Draws League Interest


June 2, 2005



The Washington Redskins' video coverage of ongoing Organized Team Activities (OTAs) at Redskins.com has drawn raves from fans--and scrutiny from the NFL.
An employee of the NFL Players Association viewed the Redskins.com video and notified the league of their concern that the O-line vs D-line work was too physical. League officials contacted the team, which has forwarded team video of relative portions of practice for review.

"These drills go on at every team in the league, during all portions of the practice year," Assistant Head Coach-Offense Joe Bugel, the 28-year veteran responsible for the offensive line, said on Thursday. "We have no problem with the review. Anyone who has ever played on the O-line or D-line at this level knows that the physical contact bears no resemblance to that experienced in a regular-season practice or game."

The team's union representatives have been in touch with the league and the NFLPA to represent the players' view that nothing in the OTA workouts is outside the rules.


Chris Samuels and Derrick Dockery walk off the field after a recent OTA practice.
Since the onset of OTAs two weeks ago, Redskins.com has given fans a unique view of the previously private practices. Fans have flocked to the daily video updates in increasing numbers as team cameras provided player interviews, behind-the-scenes looks at Redskins Park and never-before-seen glimpses of OTA activities.

"When we decided to give Redskins.com access to these sessions we knew fans would be seeing things they never have seen before," Head Coach Joe Gibbs said.

Added Larry Michael, the team's executive producer of the videos: "Upon launch of our 'Redskins Unfiltered' video view at Redskins.com we knew we'd be providing a special view of the team's world and fans have responded accordingly. The team has given us unprecedented access and fans are watching in numbers we didn't expect this early in the development of Redskins.com video."

Each day, Redskins.com has targeted a different position drill. Recently, the cameras focused on drills pitting offensive and defensive linemen against one another. The drills, at reduced speed, are intended to help players on each side of the ball improve their techniques, particularly with hand- and foot-work.

Under OTA rules, players do not wear pads--only helmets. Intensive physical contact is kept at a minimum.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=7425

[hiphophog]

we got got" as jigga would say
we violated the nfl guidlines by practicing 1 on 1's ..check it out on cbssportsline

"Do you know how we caught them?" NFL Players Association executive director Gene Upshaw said. "We saw it on their website."
peace
Sunny
almost afaraid to post something....im just a skins fan who would mind sharing some opinons and knowlage..

[SO. CAL. SKIN DUDE]

I've visted the site and seen many videos... not sure what they objected to?

I have also seen other teams on the NFL Network using the same one-on-one drills and physical contact with other players and no one has given a damn before!

Once again, let's pile on the Skins.

[hatsOFF2gibbs]

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic. ... sc&start=0

[Punu]

hey loser, pay attention, this thread has alread been started!

[portis26]

Calm down, Punu...

I saw the drills. I don't think they were a violation, because they weren't full contact. IF we do get into trouble with the league, it will only be a minor slap on the wrist.

[Punu]

portis, i know not everyone will see the same thread but I stated earlier that he's my little brother, so I refer to him as "loser"... I like it, but I guess that wont really catch on too quickly so I wont anymore...I'll leave that for when were play'n madden..

(come on, you really think i'd be that rude to any of ya?)

[hatsOFF2gibbs]

NFL to investigate Redskins practices

NFL.com wire reports

ASHBURN, Va. -- The NFL wants to know if the Washington Redskins have been playing too rough in the offseason.

The league and the players' union said they are investigating the Redskins' offseason practices. At issue are the team's one-on-one drills between offensive and defensive linemen, which the union says are forbidden, and whether those drills violate a prohibition against "live contact."

The players' union was first alerted of the possible infractions after the team posted video from the drills on the Internet. The practices are closed to reporters.

"Do you know how we caught them?" NFL Players Association executive director Gene Upshaw said. "We saw it on their Web site."

Coach Joe Gibbs said the team has turned over tapes of its practices to the league for review. If the team is found in violation, it could lose part of its allotted number of offseason practice days.

"We think we're doing what we need to be doing, trying to get everybody ready," Gibbs said. "And if it fits within the rules, we'll just have to see."

The practices -- called OTAs or "organized team activities" -- are essentially practices without pads. The collective bargaining agreement forbids "live contact drills between offensive and defensive linemen" during the practices.

Of course, "live contact" can be open to interpretation. Asked to describe the one-on-one drills, tackle Chris Samuels said: "We're locking up, just working our hand placement and technique, but we're not, like, finishing guys or driving guys to the ground."

NFLPA spokesman Carl Francis said the team shouldn't be doing one-on-one drills in the first place.

"The only thing that is allowed at OTAs is 7-on-7, 9-on-7 and 11-on-11," Francis said.

Gibbs said he thinks the Redskins are "well within the rules." He said his interpretation is that one-on-one drills are allowed for teaching pass rushing techniques and that the drills are not too physical.

"What they don't want is one-on-one physical stuff, competitive, where you wind up with players on the ground getting injured," Gibbs said.

Assistant coach Joe Bugel defended the drills by saying that their "physical contact bears no resemblance to that experienced in a regular-season practice or game."

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello confirmed that the league is looking into the matter. Neither Francis nor Aiello offered a timetable for a decision.

This is the second time since his return from retirement that Gibbs has drawn the attention of league officials for possible transgressions during practice. Last year, during the regular season, the coach tried to flaunt the rules by using an extra practice squad player until the league told him to stop.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/WAS/8545191

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

Ouch, that hammer hurts when it falls.

NFL Penalizes Redskins Over Workouts
By Associated Press

ASHBURN, Va. -- The NFL has docked the Washington Redskins three days of offseason practices for conducting workouts that were too physical.

The team will lose its "organized team activities" -- essentially practices without pads -- scheduled for Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. In addition, there can be no player meetings or conditioning sessions at Redskins Park from Friday through Wednesday. The team's mandatory three-day minicamp begins June 17.

Read the rest here.

[hatsOFF2gibbs]

Redeemed, you have to be a member to read what is in your link.

Redskins Lose Three OTA Days
By Gary Fitzgerald
Redskins.com
June 9, 2005



With the completion of this week's OTA practices, Redskins players will have off until June 16, head coach Joe Gibbs said on Thursday. The team has lost three OTA days as the NFL has deemed some recent practices to be too physical.
"They found that our offensive lineman and defensive lineman drills were too physical," Gibbs said. "We'll not have work here of any kind other than treatment. Next Thursday, we'll resume our workouts with an OTA day, which will lead right into mini-camp."

The NFL and the NFL Players Association issued the following statement:

"The NFL Management Council and the NFL Players Association have resolved a complaint by the Players Association against the Washington Redskins concerning violations of the Collective Bargaining Agreement's off-season workout rules.

NFL Executive Vice President Harold Henderson and Players Association Executive Director Gene Upshaw have determined that the Redskins violated the rules concerning the intensity and tempo of drills conducted on the club's organized team activity days (OTA days).

As a result, the Redskins will forfeit three days of their off-season program (June 13-15, 2005). Redskins' players are not permitted to be at the facility on those days, but will be paid for the sessions."

The ruling came after an employee of the NFLPA viewed video from Redskins.com and notified the league of their concern that the line work was too physical. League officials contacted the team and required officials to forward video of relative portions of practice for review.

Gibbs said team officials and coaches believed they were operating under the guidelines of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

"What's important to me is our players," Gibbs said. "We always want to have a great relationship with the player's union. Obviously we want to be within the rules and we want to stay within the rules. The rules specifically state that you can have offensive lineman versus defensive lineman. But it can't rise to the point of being full-go. You can't have bull-rushes. After we turned the film, in they felt like our [drills] were too physical."

The Redskins were initially scheduled for OTA work from Monday-Wednesday next week, with Thursday an off day. Now the team will hold an OTA session on Thursday when players return from the break.

The Redskins will host their only full-squad mini-camp starting on Friday, June 17 and culminating Sunday, June 19.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=7485

This pisses me off. Just because we're working hard and preparing for the season the NFL has to fine us. Why can't they just sit back and let the coaches coach?? It's not like we're killing our players! JGibbs is doing this to HELP his team not HARM. The NFL does not have to get into this!

[Deadskins]

What gets me is that Joe went to the player reps on the team and they all agreed that the practices were ok. It's not like the players were complaining like last year with the G-spots.

[gay4pacman]

i like that we're getting physical. We're motivated this year.

[BossHog]

http://www.the-hogs.net/content/story.php?id=483

[SKINZ_DOMIN8]

not a big deal whatsoever.

[Gibbs4Life]

Why is the nflpa picking on my 6-10 redskins who were only running teaching drills which is allowed under league rules. This action t's me off as a fan of a club that NEEDS THE WORK DESPERATELY, the redskins will miss 6 days (from fri-thurs)not 3 of needed conditioning and mental work before mini- camp. The league says the ota's were 2physical TOO PHYSICAL GIVE ME A BREAK THE PLAYERS ARE ON THE FIELD NO MORE THAN 2 HOURS! I think these "rules" have been applied out of context and were never intended to punish teams for working hard like Gibbs and staff were.