what WAR CRIMES?

[skins#1fan]

How do you call what we're doing a war crime. I here all these crazy libs up and down this site say the US is commiting war crimes. The geneva convention only protects a uniformed soldiers...u know from like a country. It doesnt protect these cowards that run around with car bombs. And if you saw the news I think I saw them being issued food and their Koran. Do you think we would ever get that kind of treatment? no we're caught and our death is on a videotape. Second im sick of you guys making our military look bad. I have seen a few guys on here that have served and they all say they werent taught to shoot right away and for you to say our guys are gunning down innocent people on purpose is crazy. But then again most of you libs arent totaly with it anyways.

[Gibbs' Hog]

I don't know why you keep making these pointless threads.

Did you serve in the military? I'm sure some of those that did may agree with you, but you cannot make assumptions geared to encompass everyone.

And some of us "libs" are extremely more informed than you are. Not because we are told what to think, but because we take the time to research the issues. You think all of us "libs" don't support the military? Well, your wrong. In fact, I'm willing to bet an overwhelming amount of "libs" fully support our armed forces - it's the instructions given to them by our government that sometimes come into question.

Have you been to Gitmo?
Because the prisoners are given food and their Qur'an, that automatically means that they are being treated well?

Dude, you need to open your mind up a little - I may not agree with, but at least respect, the difference in opinion from an educated republican. In turn, I would hope that I can gain some respect as well; and have an intelligent conversation about why we disagree.

Your naive determination that all "libs" have no clue about anything, paired with your ingorant support for anything Sean Hannity throws at you is utterly repulsive. These new threads that include the same garble that everyone has heard a thousand times just wastes people's time.

[Fios]

The geneva convention only protects a uniformed soldiers...u know from like a country.

Where is "like a country"? Isn't it a little unfair that only the like a country-icans (is that right?) soldiers are protected?

I am outraged!

[skins#1fan]

I never said you guys dont support our military or country. If I did I meant politicaly as far as funding and voting to keep certain bombs and missles we need and us. Many liberals/democrats/republicans ect have all served for our country and I appreciate every single one of them. I even said I appreciate what Kerry did no matter how long he served. Everyone knows 95% of American troops dont randomly target innocent people, and to never here any of u guys defend that point makes me mad. I dont appreciate how u guys never mention what happens to us over there. And I do believe that majority of the prisoners are being treated properly. I doubt they have a bible and a meal waiting for us. All they have is a damn saw or guns to our head and a videocamera.

[skins#1fan]

[quote]Where is "like a country"? Isn't it a little unfair that only the like a country-icans (is that right?) soldiers are protected?


Im saying that these terrorist arent protected one bit under the convention. And thats the way it should be. There not defending anything at all. They just want to kill as many innocent people as possible. But unlike them we dont stoop to that level and show tapes of us killing them or anything.

[Gibbs' Hog]

I never said you guys dont support our military or country. If I did I meant politicaly as far as funding and voting to keep certain bombs and missles we need and us. Many liberals/democrats/republicans ect have all served for our country and I appreciate every single one of them. I even said I appreciate what Kerry did no matter how long he served. Everyone knows 95% of American troops dont randomly target innocent people, and to never here any of u guys defend that point makes me mad. I dont appreciate how u guys never mention what happens to us over there. And I do believe that majority of the prisoners are being treated properly. I doubt they have a bible and a meal waiting for us. All they have is a damn saw or guns to our head and a videocamera.

Thank you for finally posting a reasonable response.

My reaction:
Many anti-democrats tend to frequently say, "you don't support our military..." This is very unsettling to the majority of dems that do support the military. But you hit it on the nose by retracting that statement, and re-phrasing it to involve the political decision-making that instructs the military what to do. If more republicans could view this issue in that light, then I would not get so heated over someone suggesting that I am anti-military.


Regarding your perceptions of the mistreatment of prisoners, you are correct. Our country does offer better treatment for POWs than some other countries. But there are a few things to understand.

First - the insurgents/terrorists responsible for kidnapping and murduring U.S. soldiers are not part of an organized national army. They have no rules - other than those provided by their 'leader'. It is absolutely horrific to see our brave soldiers succumb to this type of abuse - but the problem is that there is no governing factor involved in the enemy's actions.

Second - the U.S. is, in part, such a great country because we protect civil liberties. That's not to say that some people don't deserve punishment; but there is no reason for the U.S. to act the same way as say, Iraq. The prisoners at Gitmo don't need to be baby-fed or given plasma tv's, but we can still give them some dignity - at least until they are convicted of any crimes they have committed.


But thank you, skins#1fan, for putting some thought into your response - this is what I'm talking about - there is no need to fight. A little respect delivered both ways can serve a much better purpose than back-and-forth bantering.





On a sidenote: this discussion actually reminds me of the capital punishment issue. How can an evangelical president oppose abortion, but support capital punishment? Thou shalt not kill. . . . . .

[skins#1fan]

nice response also. I am not some rightwing extremest by any means. I am only a 20 year old guy who likes to have fun and wath my Redskins. I dont dislike anything. Well I hate the cowboys. That organization pisses me off and there fans suck! The refs always gives them the calls they need to win games and u can credit there receiver Irvin for creating the "push off". Sorry had to let off some steam there. Anyways its good to here that we can agree on some things.

[Gibbs' Hog]

Trust me, I'm no expert. I'm only a 25 year-old that has very strong opinions; and happens to follow politics addictively. Probably the only useful thing I learned in my first year of college (that was the partay year ) was to be accepting of all people's views, and treat a debate with the kind of respect I would appreciate in return.

It really bugs me that many people around this country just don't seem to educate themselves enough before jumping full-steam ahead into a sensitive issue. I was not a very political person until the 2000 election (when I was 20), but something about that dang Florida recount got something fired up inside me.

Many people disagree with each other on a lot of issues. My own "key to life" is to educate myself as much as possible on an issue before debating it, treat others with respect (of course, that option runs out on occasion), and overall, always keep a sense of humor.

Low stress = no heart attack

And oh yeah, I hate the Cowboys.