worst draft by Redskins ever.

PatrickRamsey · Post by **PatrickRamsey** » Sat May 28, 2005 7:05 pm

MIKE WILLIAMS COULB B ON THE REDSKINS!

I cant dare think about it. You can say we NEEDED a CB more then WR, and well, I don't agree.

Despite losing some defensive players this year, this team was still 2nd or 3rd in defense last year, while the offense was among the worst in the league.

Plus, Mike Williams could of changed this team so much, and fast.

Carlos Rodgers is a great player, and probobly is the best CB in the draft, but MIKE WILLIAMS WAS ARGUEBLY THE BEST PLAYER IN THE DRAFT, AND WR WAS A WEAKNESS FOR THE REDSKINS.

then with the 15th, WE SHOULD OF GOTTEN A WR, but no we get Campbell, a QB who may fail or who may b the suprise of the draft, and almost most defiantly will take a few years to develop, and the redskins are patient and theyyll jsut release him, end of story- also we have patrick ramsey who shoukd start, and better start, and has the skills to start.

does anyone remember his first year in spurrier offense? he was horrible, he played a lil, then next year he played alot and played well, yes he played well. So now two years with gibbs offense and i think he is ready and understands the playbook, and has had time to develop.

its hard for a young guy to be told something from a guy like spurrier then a guy like Gibbs, its verry hard.

thats my opinion, what u guys think?

unter13 · Post by **unter13** » Sat May 28, 2005 8:23 pm

I'm sorry you feel that way Billy.

P.S. It was the 25th pick were the skins got Campbell.

air_hog · Post by **air_hog** » Sat May 28, 2005 8:26 pm

Welcome to THN,

I disagree, yes on draft day I was very sad that we missed out on Williams. But is WR really a weakness, or is the weakness the QB not getting the WR the ball.

Think about it, last year Coles, Gardner, Thrash, Cool

ey, Jacobs, McCants... might have been one of the best WR combinations in the league. This year we have Moss, Patten, Jacobs, Thrash, McCants, Cool

ey, Royal which is still a great group of guys. And if you add Williams, Jacobs or McCants would loose out on playing time even though they are both great players.

Now with the CB, withough Rogers we would have Springs, Harris, Wilds, and sadly Jimoh. That's a nice group, but not much depth. But when you add Rogers, it moves Harris from a starter to a nickel back with good depth with Wilds.

So yes, after it happend I was sad, but now I realized the staff new what they were doing so I think Rogers was the right move.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sat May 28, 2005 8:38 pm

I think Mike Williams would have made a nice pick if we hadn't picked Rodgers. What he could have done or would have done doesn't really matter because we will never know.

We shipped out Coles, Gardner is already packed and brought in Moss and Patten. Maybe that was enough turnover at 1 position for Mr. Gibbs and Mr. Ramsey.

At worst Campbell was the no. 3 QB in the draft. I think it shows great foresight to realize that he would be on the board late in the 1st, make the trade to be able to pick him, and still get him after Fat Lenny opened his mouth.

I don't think Campbell was drafted to replace Ramsey, I think he was drafted to be in the same spot Ramsey is in now if Ramsey leaves next year.

Campbell will have a year in Gibbs system going into next offseason, and this will some how figure into Ramsey's contract negotiations

SkinsLaVar · Post by **SkinsLaVar** » Sat May 28, 2005 10:14 pm

Gibbs plans to trade Ramsey for a 1st round draft pick in next year's draft :twisted:

IMO

We'll see how Ramsey does.....u never know redskinsmiley

JPM36 · Post by **JPM36** » Sun May 29, 2005 12:24 am

I think we got a future Pro Bowl CB, a franchise QB, and a potential leader on defense and special teams in McCune.

Hardly the "worst draft ever"

air_hog · Post by **air_hog** » Sun May 29, 2005 1:49 am

SkinsLaVar wrote:We'll see how Ramsey does.....u never know

cough cough Drew Brees.

But this is how I see it. Ramsey is the starter this whole season, and if we go like 6-10 or 7-9, I dont think we will pick him back up and then in 2006 Campbell will start.

However if Ramsey has career year (cough cough Drew Brees), and we go to the playoffs, we see if he wants monster numbers and if he does we let him go (like Pierce and Smoot) or he can stay and we will have 2 good QB.

I hope Campbell on the roster will just push Ramsey to perform to his fullest, not just on the field, but in the weightroom and film study too.

batman2k5 · Post by **batman2k5** » Sun May 29, 2005 12:22 pm

worst redskins draft, 2003.

1.ramsey =bust

3.bauman=bust

3.cliff russel=bust

6 and round 7 bust tooo

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Sun May 29, 2005 12:45 pm

batman2k5 wrote:worst redskins draft, 2003.

1.ramsey =bust

3.bauman=bust

3.cliff russel=bust

6 and round 7 bust tooo

Wow, where do I start?

The 2003 draft consisted of just 3 picks:
2nd round: Taylor Jacobs, WR, Florida
3rd round: Derrick Dockery, G, Texas
7th round: Gibran Hamdan, QB, Indiana

So I guess you mean the 2002 draft.

Secondly, your tainted view of Patrick Ramsey aside, he has started a lot of games and can hardly be considered a bust simply for having doing so. 'Busts' don't ever step on to the field let alone start 23 games at QB... not bad for the last pick in the first actually... especially when we moved down twice and picked up extra picks in the process... it was actually a pretty good bit of work by the war room.

In the second round we drafted Ladell Betts... while he hasn't lit the league on fire, he has also seen a fair bit of playing time, and were it not for injuries, would have seen a good deal more. Every reason to believe he will be the back-up again this year and put in some heavy ST duties... not a steal or anything, but most certainly not a bust.

Maybe you just stopped listing picks because you realized how inane your post was becoming. Because in that same draft, we also drafted the following players in later rounds that are still with the team... Andre Lott(5th), Robert Royal (5th), and Rock Cartwright(7th). Any time you can pick up 3 guys on the second day of your draft that will still be with the team in three years... you've done well... drafting 5 guys in a year that still start or play roles on your team is definitely not a bust. It may not have been glamorous, but it hardly qualifies as the worst draft ever.

batman2k5 · Post by **batman2k5** » Sun May 29, 2005 4:11 pm

dude the 49ers started ken dorsey for 12 games so what tim rattay started liek 2 years for the 49ers so what . Its hard to find a good qb forget franchise qb.

Alot of qb,s bust, ramsey ,joey harrington,if your drafted in the first round you have to be able to in your thrid year show great improvement. ramsey , harrington did not.

JCaptMorgan12 · Post by **JCaptMorgan12** » Sun May 29, 2005 4:18 pm

I have to echo what most say. On Draft Day 2005, I dreamed of getting Mike Williams on this team, without a doubt, I believe he will be a game-breaking player, but only time will tell. When they picked Rogers over him, I stared at the TV in amazement. I couldn't believe that they picked a CB over Williams, but now that I look back at it, it was definately a better pick. Williams seems like a "it's all about me" type of guy, I mean after his sopohmore year, he left his team (who turn out to be National Champions w/out him) to try and make it big in the NFL, where there was already rules and guidelines stating he wouldn't be allowed, but he wanted to challenge that rule, and he lost, which to me, showed selfishness.

I also find it ironic, that there was no "media uprising" of critics to speak out when the Redskins chose Rogers. I can imagine if they chose Williams, what it would have been like, I guarantee critics of the Skins already had their articles written and edited, ready to be printed the day after, since they thought, once again, the Redskins would go for the BIGGEST name in the draft, but what that draft showed was the discipline and leadership that Gibbs has enstilled in this organization, that he wants to win, and to do so, you need to get team players, and fill your needs, rather than always going for the biggest name out there, like we had in years past. If we chose Williams, that would be one more cut at WR, in which Gibbs and the team feel they have the necessary group of players, both at the talent and character level.

I am going to say that Rogers was the best pick without a doubt, I believe he is better than Pac Man and Rolle. Pac Man is hyped up because of his all-around athleticsm, which it large part thanks to his punt-return capability. Rolle has that "Miami chip" on his shoulder, and I would be afraid to see what the off-seasons would be like with Rolle and Taylor as teammates. But when you look at all three, I believe that Rogers is the best pick. And in comparison to Smoot, I say by his 2nd year, that he will already replace Smoot on the field, w/out a doubt, largely because he is bigger, can cover just as well from what we've seen, and HE RAPS UP PLAYERS WHEN HE TACKLES THEM, rather than throwing his body at them like Smoot did, and only was successful about 70% of the time, if even. But don't get me wrong, I did like Smoot as a person and player, but his mentor was Deion, and he couldn't tackle either. I think the combination of Taylor, Rogers, and Springs, who all love to hit, will make a lot of WR think while crossing the middle of the field.

JPM36 · Post by **JPM36** » Sun May 29, 2005 7:02 pm

Don't forget about Matt Bowen who, while not as skilled as Taylor, Springs, and Rogers, is also a guy who loves to hit.

We will have the hardest hitting secondary in the NFL this year.

General Failure · Post by **General Failure** » Sun May 29, 2005 9:36 pm

JPM36 wrote:We will have the hardest hitting secondary in the NFL this year.

Everyone take a drink!

SkinsLaVar · Post by **SkinsLaVar** » Sun May 29, 2005 10:49 pm

yeh GF u better watch out....nobody survives our defense!! BAAAAM.....no more McNabb!

General Failure · Post by **General Failure** » Sun May 29, 2005 11:12 pm

Refresh my memory. Did someone get knocked out during an Eagles/Skins game last year? I seem to forget.

Clinton Portis · Post by **Clinton Portis** » Sun May 29, 2005 11:29 pm

batman2k5 wrote:dude the 49ers started ken dorsey for 12 games so what tim rattay started liek 2 years for the 49ers so what . Its hard to find a good qb forget franchise qb.

Alot of qb,s bust, ramsey ,joey harrington,if your drafted in the first round you have to be able to in your thrid year show great improvement. ramsey , harrington did not.

Who made that rule again? It took Drew Brees 4 years to develop.

Um,and Rattay started because he was the only QB they had that they could currently start, AND the FO was too cheap to get a real QB.

ToxicSkin · Post by **ToxicSkin** » Mon May 30, 2005 5:00 pm

Is it me or is Batman 2k5 trolling for no reason?

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Mon May 30, 2005 6:46 pm

General Failure wrote:Refresh my memory. Did someone get knocked out during an Eagles/Skins game last year? I seem to forget.

But it could have happened ROTFALMAO

http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=Week ... sFootsteps

General Failure · Post by **General Failure** » Mon May 30, 2005 8:25 pm

How's Springs doing, by the way?

SkinsLaVar · Post by **SkinsLaVar** » Mon May 30, 2005 9:55 pm

Thank God, Springs is doing well.

Clinton Portis · Post by **Clinton Portis** » Mon May 30, 2005 10:38 pm

General Failure wrote:How's Springs doing, by the way?

I forget, did Todd Pinkston Recently Grow Arms?

I don't know if he has hands, because he's got those Alligator Arms.

I heard at camp, Donovan McNabb got mad at Pinkston for short -arming a catch. Its because he swears he saw Sean Taylor's shadow in the sunlight.

General Failure · Post by **General Failure** » Mon May 30, 2005 10:55 pm

So what you're saying is no Eagle has been knocked out playing the Redskins.

Clinton Portis · Post by **Clinton Portis** » Mon May 30, 2005 10:58 pm

No..

But But...

Their Scared to! :shock:

General Failure · Post by **General Failure** » Tue May 31, 2005 12:06 am

Of course they are, son. *pat-pat* Of course they are.

SkinsLaVar · Post by **SkinsLaVar** » Tue May 31, 2005 12:12 am