IF ONLY THE OFFENSE HAD THE HEART OF THE DEFENSE

[Beast of the East]

i don't really get involved in the discussions unless they get me going. i am a football coach and i am probably a little older than some of you..(not to say i am a genius) but ask yourselves this..what has Ramsey done? sure he has all of the potential in the world but so did Andre Ware...many of you forget how many times Ramsey broke our hearts with his BONE HEAD plays...throwing picks, running backwards 15yrds and then taking a sack, over-throwing sure touch downs, throwing into double coverage while a reciever was butt-naked down the sideline, fumbles at the worst time,(you can stop me whenever your ready), his DISABILITY when it comes to reading a defense, the team never rallied around him ect....i was there with you when you wanted to reach threw the T.V and choke the life out of Ramsey...just remember he hasn't proven SQUAT! so lets hope and pray but we can't annoint him the savior when he's F***ED us so many times.......He was just better than Brunell...but then again so is my Homer Simpson Chia Pet

[die cowboys die]

ramsey makes mistakes but so does peyton manning. every QB makes mistakes, every QB throws INTs, every QB gets sacked, every QB gives up fumbles. ramsey doesn't do a terribly inordinate amount of any of those things, especially compared to most 3rd year QBs. younger QBs make a few more mistakes than others. but you have to go through that process if they're going to get experience and improve and become a great long-term starter.

as for "the only thing that counts is ramsey's Win/Loss ratio", i wasn't aware that he was the only person on the team. you are going to blame ramsey for spurrier's poor offensive design, revolving door offensive line, and hopelessly disorganized defense in 2003?

[1niksder]

Ramsey has had his ups and downs since he became a pro.

1st year: came in late, and he was never comfortable on the GatorSkin go-round.......Bad year

2nd year: Steven knew it was do or die for his Fun & Gun in DC so he let Ramsey loose (almost got him killed and made him forget almost all he ever knew about progression)....Not a Bad year wasn't great either.....a OK year

3rd year: New Coach, actual schemes and reads... Ramsey was like a rookie all over again. By week nine he was on the feild(***anything before that can't be blamed on Ramsey)

Ramsey is lucky to be coached by the Coach of Superbowl Quarterbacks. (He keeps going back but takes a different QB each time) Patrick is smart, it only took him 8-9 game to take his spot back from Brunell.

Campbell who so many are ready to hang my hopes on won't come along as quickly. Gibbs system will be his 4th in five years, and the game will be quicker for him when he finally gets out there. Campbell's biggest problem to starting this year is twofold

Gibbs prefers vets (Brunell may have changed that a little)

Ramsey is playing for a contract

[batman2k5]

all the ramsey lovers all they do is stay home, thinking of exquses why its not ramseys fault lol

look people ramsey is not very good, all the qb,s from the 2002 class were not very good, ramsey might start for 2005. But in 2006 its all about Jason Campbell

[batman2k5]

I'm pulling for Ramsey to have a breakout year, but it seems to me that we are all hanging on to the hope that he could live up to the history behind his jersey number, which, up 'til now, he has not.

As for the offense having no heart, you are truly mistaken Batman. TRULY MISTAKEN!!!! Last year's team, both on offense and defense, showed more heart than we had seen in a long time. They kept fighting, despite the ineptitude, at times, of the offense and the mistakes, though few, of the defense.

Some might question the team's talent this year, but one thing that won't be an issue is the team's heart. The guys will bleed burgundy and gold.

i just feel like the offense has no leader. The defense had springs, washignton,arrington, But the offense who is leading the offense when things are going wrong who is the leader, Its not Ramsey, Jon Jansen is a o lineman.The offense needs a leader. i am sorry Ramsey is not a natural leader atleast not in the NFL. I remeber reading last year in practice the DB,s where saying Ramsey throws bad deep balls that can easily be picked off. The guy just has to many faults. Might as well cut your losses play him in 2005, moveon in 2006.

[Redskin in Canada]

Patrick Ramsey will show everybody this season that he is our franchise QB for several years to come. Only great performnances, leadership, victories and a winning record can shut the mouths of a few negative posters.

What a waste of time and hard drive space to spend doubting instead of supporting our team. Some f you should go to MDA (Manic Depressive Anonymous) for treatment real soon.

[SkinsJock]

Ramsey's the redskins QB and that is a very special "place" for a lot of us. IMO he deserves a little more time because I think he has not had a "decent" opportunity to really show how good he can be and that should be "decided" prior to 9/11 this year! Gibbs will get Ramsey "ready" - he is the best QB coach ever.

Yes there are QBs with a lot of talent that have proved how good they are with less "opportunity" than Ramsey's had but this is our QB and IMO he seems to have that little extra and I'm hoping that Joe can bring it out early this year.

One other thing - he is going to get that chance no matter what a lot of naysayers and doubters think.


by the way - welcome to the site Beast of the East!

[batman2k5]

Gibb,s doesnt even like Ramsey , Do you Ramsey fans think Gibbs has been sleeping under a rock for the last 10 years, Gibbs has watched redskins games his seen Ramsey. You cant foul Gibbs ,Gibbs is too wise, his seen every thing,. Gibbs has no confidence in ramsey cant you see it . The writen is on the wall, First he goes out and pays Brunell 38 Million and trades for him. Then doesnt even put Ramsey in there untill Brunell falls on his face in game 8. Then he says Ramsey is the starter but he drafts Campbell, and trades 2006 first , 2006 4th and 2004 3rd, just to get this guy. If you cant see that Gibbs doesnt liek Ramsey your blind sorry for my strong words,But the writen is on the wall for Ramsey if he doesnt have a DRew Bresse season his gone over end.Next..........

[runbillo]

Greetings from NYC: It in our best interests to start and support Patrick Ramsey this year. Joe will never turn the regins over to a rookie quaterback. Last season we were cheated twice by the ref's ( Green Bay and the Monday night Dallas game ) and made one bad defensive play ( 2nd Dallas game ) we should have been 9 and 7 and made the playoffs. Sit tight and enjoy whats about to happen.

[Redskin in Canada]

Gibbs has watched redskins games his seen Ramsey.

You cant foul Gibbs ,

his seen every thing,.

The writen is on the wall,

put Ramsey in there untill Brunell falls

If you cant see that Gibbs doesnt liek Ramsey your blind

But the writen is on the wall for Ramsey if he doesnt have a DRew Bresse season his gone over end.

Could you please do us all a favour and go back to school, elementary school, to finish grade 6, instead of wasting your time annoying grown ups in this board?

sorry for my strong words

Which ones, the uninformed judgments or the -crimes- against English as a civilised language???

[die cowboys die]

amen, redskins in canada.

[jamesward76]

Gibb,s doesnt even like Ramsey , Do you Ramsey fans think Gibbs has been sleeping under a rock for the last 10 years, Gibbs has watched redskins games his seen Ramsey. You cant foul Gibbs ,Gibbs is too wise, his seen every thing,. Gibbs has no confidence in ramsey cant you see it . The writen is on the wall, First he goes out and pays Brunell 38 Million and trades for him. Then doesnt even put Ramsey in there untill Brunell falls on his face in game 8. Then he says Ramsey is the starter but he drafts Campbell, and trades 2006 first , 2006 4th and 2004 3rd, just to get this guy. If you cant see that Gibbs doesnt liek Ramsey your blind sorry for my strong words,But the writen is on the wall for Ramsey if he doesnt have a DRew Bresse season his gone over end.Next..........

i read that in the wash post too. don't really believe it though.

[batman2k5]

batman, your opinions about ramsey are severely tainted, based on skewed situations. you constantly refer to the giants game in which he threw 3 interceptions. yet you don't seem to have processed the fact that he had not taken ANY reps in practice to be prepared for the start, and was then thrust into the game in the 3rd quarter, down by 2 touchdowns. the giants scored 20 points in the 2nd quarter and it looked like they were starting to run away with the game unless we put up some points fast. so yes, he tried to force too many things. but he had no practice and HAD to take some chances if we were going to come from behind.

i will remind you of the actual facts, the statistics- WHEN HE STARTS, RAMSEY HAS THROWN ABOUT 32% MORE TDs (22) THAN INTERCEPTIONS (15) over 2003-2004. so this junk about him being an interception machine is complete nonsense,



professed only by the ignorant.let's compare the 2 games vs the giants in 2004. in the 1st, as stated, ramsey was put in halfway through with no practice to bring the team back from 2 TDs behind. in the 2nd, he had a full week of practice as the starter (plus a few games beforehand, which he did not have before the 1st one).

1st GIANTS GAME:
18 attempts/9 completions
142 yards
1 TD
3 INT
QB rating: 55.6

2nd GIANTS GAME:
22 attempts/19 completions
174 yards
3 TDs
0 INTs
QB rating: 139.2


since i have summarily destroyed your "argument", please come up with some new [actual] reasons why you are against ramsey. otherwise you are just wasting everyone's time by spewing this uninformed garbage. thanks.

well if you look at that second giants game you would have seen that the giants where playing a lot of rookies,and back ups that games dones even count to me, i am looking at the bengels game where ramsey had a 55 qb rating, the second and first eagles games where ramsey stank up the joint. You see all you ramsey lovers always go back to the one good game he had vs back up rookies. please ramsey sucks and you will all see in 2005

[WshSkins22]

Batman...how did peyton do in his first few years in the nfl, not that great bud. Has Ramsey ever had the same offense 2 years in a row except spurrier??and spurriers offense got him killed. Seomthing you need to understand is that a quarterbacks psyche is very weak, and confidence can be crushed( that is why so many first round qbs fail) He had no protection under spurrier, and tell me what did Ramsey have to work with last year, a dead line with 2 stupid recievers and a good rb, I dont even think if you put Peyton in our offense last year he would put up pro bowl numbers. Developing a quarterback is a long process, and doesnt happen in 7 or 8 games for Ramsey last year, let the man learn the Offense the Gibbs Offense is complicated. Your opinion is very espn biased, I would like you to tell me what does Ramsey not have, hne is a bright, tough guy with a great arm, let his work some chemistry and he will be fine.

[batman2k5]

Batman...how did peyton do in his first few years in the nfl, not that great bud. Has Ramsey ever had the same offense 2 years in a row except spurrier??and spurriers offense got him killed. Seomthing you need to understand is that a quarterbacks psyche is very weak, and confidence can be crushed( that is why so many first round qbs fail) He had no protection under spurrier, and tell me what did Ramsey have to work with last year, a dead line with 2 stupid recievers and a good rb, I dont even think if you put Peyton in our offense last year he would put up pro bowl numbers. Developing a quarterback is a long process, and doesnt happen in 7 or 8 games for Ramsey last year, let the man learn the Offense the Gibbs Offense is complicated. Your opinion is very espn biased, I would like you to tell me what does Ramsey not have, hne is a bright, tough guy with a great arm, let his work some chemistry and he will be fine.

look i agree with you the o line was messed up , garnder droped a ton of catches and even coles too, and thrash. I believe Gibbs will give Rasmey a chance Gibbs is a very nice and loyal man and all that .But i just dont see Ramsey working out i am sorry. People act like gibbs system is like super super hard .
No its not, its basically Protect the QB, look for the open wr,s hit them in stride ,A lot of check downs, Maybe 3, 4 times a game go deep.And pass to the Hb and rb, like 16 times a game. Gibbs offense is like the QB job is to manage the offense.

Most of the yards are from the run game. Gibbs wants to run the ball. And another thing if Ramsey so good most of the time teams where focusing on Portis trying to stop him puting 9, 10 in the box why couldnt Ramsey hit the open wr,s i think ramsey is very inaccurate going down the filed. We all have a lot of questions and i believe 100% that in 2005 well answer our questions.

[die cowboys die]

...if Ramsey [is] so good most of the time teams where[sp] focusing on Portis trying to stop him puting[sp] 9, 10 in the box why couldn[']t Ramsey hit the open wr,s

i will answer your questions.

#1: teams were focusing on putting more people in the box to stop the running game because gibbs was only sending out 2 receivers. you don't need too many people back there to defend TWO receivers.

#2: ramsey couldn't hit the open receivers because there weren't any. gibbs only sent out two most of the time and one of them was rod gardner who has gotten open about 7 times in his entire career.

i would also like to the point out that your suggestion that opposing defenses were putting 9 and 10 people in the box proves that you have no idea what you are talking about, you know nothing about football. no defense is ever going to put TEN players up to stop the run! that would leave ONE defensive back to cover any possible pass. that is obviously ludicrous and ignorant.

[batman2k5]

have you ever heard of zero coverage???? yes or no

thats when the defense has zero people back in coverage or in simple words. Do not have any respect for your passing game. i saw the cowboys ,browns use that vs the redskins last year,

They would put all there linebackers in the box, and drop roy williams, and there other safty will move up and cover the slot wr, or the te . So theres no one in cover and there deering the offense to throw over them.

zero coverage it happens team use it vs the redskins because they know that ramsey and mark brunell can pass over it. they cant find the open guy if you have liek 7 guys jump on the line making ramsey feel pressure .Ramsey will probaly throw an int or get sacked.