Some Info on Carlos Rodgers?

WshSkins22 · Post by **WshSkins22** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:59 pm

Im really not sold on this guy...havent seen him play yet and dont know much about him. If anyone can find a highlight video or something let me know

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:02 pm

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/rogers_carlos

I Cant find any video and just to lazy to look.

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:02 pm

http://www.the-hogs.net/Draft/Database/p ... php?id=495

He was the corner at undefeated Auburn in a very tough conference. He's definitely a good player IMO.

Scottskins · Post by **Scottskins** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:04 pm

Carlos Rogers
CB | (6'0", 196, 4.48) | AUBURN

Scouts Grade: 93 Selected by: Washington Redskins
Round: 1
Pick (Overall): 9(9)
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(CB) Carlos Rogers - AUBURNStrengths: Has adequate-to-good size. Is well-built, strong and powerful for a DC. Is physical and tough. Confidence has improved immensely. Is at his best when challenging WR's at the LOS. Has a solid press-technique. Shows good hand placement and footwork. Is fluid and has excellent body control. Shows the COD skills to mirror quicker WR's on double-move. Is very good in man-to-man coverage. Better than average ball skills. Is physical in coverage and in run support. Wasn't used much as a return man in college but he has very good potential in that role if given an opportunity in the NFL.

Weaknesses: Focus and recognition skills are inconsistent. Play was up-and-down throughout collegiate career. Has adequate-to-good speed but not elite speed. May struggle to recover if he makes mistakes against upper-echelon speed receivers in the NFL. Is much improved as a tackler but still needs to be more consistent. Thumb injuries cost him several games throughout his collegiate career.

Overall: Rogers attended Hargrave Military Academy in 2000. He was named All-SEC Freshman team in 2001 after starting 10-of-12 games. He missed time in 2002 (four games) and 2003 (one game) because of thumb injuries but was a four-year starter at Auburn. His production dipped during his sophomore and junior seasons (2002-'03) but he made huge strides as a senior in 2004, when he started all 13 games and finished with 47 total tackles, two interceptions and eight passes broken up. The biggest difference between Rogers from 2004 compared to 2003 was his improved confidence. He was asked to hold up in mostly man-to-man coverage and did a better job than ever anticipated. Rogers was giving a lot of cushion and playing "soft" as a junior because he feared giving up the big play. Now that he believes in his ability he challenges receivers a lot more aggressively and physically, which allows him to maximize his good combination of size and speed. Rogers still has room to improve and he lacks elite physical tools, but we still think he has the potential to develop into a solid starting cornerback in the NFL. As a result, Rogers is a late-first round draft prospect.

I also read that if not for his thumb injuries, he'd have been rated the same as the other two CBs if not better.

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:24 pm

They passed on Mike Williams for this piece of crap, this guy better be another Darrel Green

Scottskins · Post by **Scottskins** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:30 pm

John Manfreda wrote:They passed on Mike Williams for this piece of crap, this guy better be another Darrel Green

He just might be. Williams is the one that will likely turn out to be a piece of .....

nice attitude btw

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:32 pm

John Manfreda wrote:They passed on Mike Williams for this piece of crap, this guy better be another Darrel Green

What makes him a piece of crap... I'm dying to know what your stunning insight holds for us.

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:42 pm

BossHog wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:They passed on Mike Williams for this piece of crap, this guy better be another Darrel Green

What makes him a piece of crap... I'm dying to know what your stunning insight holds for us.

He is not quick, fast but not quick, played in the Sec but had a weak out of confrence schedule. With Brown and Williams he hardely ever saw the field, becuase they were always running the ball. Doesn't have good recovery speed, he won't be able to cover the elite recievers in the NFL like To and Randy because he is too little. Those big recievers that can get downfield he won't be able to cover. He would be a good mid first round pick or late, but not at the No.9. He is also inconsistent. They should have drafted Williams. Plain and simple.

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:44 pm

Potential to be a solid corner. You don't pick solid players with the 9th pick in the draft you pick fantastic players.

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:44 pm

in that case... it's a good thing we didn't go with Williams.. :-"

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:09 pm

John Manfreda wrote:
He is not quick, fast but not quick, played in the Sec but had a weak out of confrence schedule.

With Brown and Williams he hardely ever saw the field, becuase they were always running the ball. Doesn't have good recovery speed, he won't be able to cover the elite recievers in the NFL like To and Randy because he is too little. Those big recievers that can get downfield he won't be able to cover. He would be a good mid first round pick or late, but not at the No.9. He is also inconsistent. They should have drafted Williams. Plain and simple.

So you think they should have drafted Williams, I get it.
All you cited was venom for the Redskins not taking a player you thought they should have... probably that a lot of players thought that they should have taken. fair enough.

.... it doesn't make Rogers a piece of crap.

He played corner for an undefeated team... it doesn't make him a lock to be a star, but I don't think that it changes the fact that the Redskins shored up a position that many were moaning about now being an issue. And while Williams would have definitley improved our offense, there are still quite a few guys available that can help this offense at #25. I don't think we could have addressed CB as effectively at 25.

(d)oink · Post by **(d)oink** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:19 pm

BossHog wrote: And while Williams would have definitley improved our offense, there are still quite a few guys available that can help this offense at #25. I don't think we could have addressed CB as effectively at 25.

Well said.

We'll know more at #25.....er.....we'll know more after the weekend...er.....we'll know once the season starts...er.....we'll know a few games in....er we'll know in a year....or two??

Time will tell.

Can't wait for #25 though!

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:33 pm

BossHog wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:
He is not quick, fast but not quick, played in the Sec but had a weak out of confrence schedule.

With Brown and Williams he hardely ever saw the field, becuase they were always running the ball. Doesn't have good recovery speed, he won't be able to cover the elite recievers in the NFL like To and Randy because he is too little. Those big recievers that can get downfield he won't be able to cover. He would be a good mid first round pick or late, but not at the No.9. He is also inconsistent. They should have drafted Williams. Plain and simple.

So you think they should have drafted Williams, I get it.
All you cited was venom for the Redskins not taking a player you thought they should have... probably that a lot of players thought that they should have taken. fair enough.

.... it doesn't make Rogers a piece of crap.

He played corner for an undefeated team... it doesn't make him a lock to be a star, but I don't think that it changes the fact that the Redskins shored up a position that many were moaning about now being an issue. And while Williams would have definitley improved our offense, there are still quite a few guys available that can help this offense at #25. I don't think we could have addressed CB as effectively at 25.

We don't need to our D was no.2 or 3. We could have with Fabian Washington. I am a Husker fan but he as good if not better than Rogers. He had no pass rush and was on the field all the time. He is faster to bout. What great corners did the Pats have Pittsburg, Falcons, Jets, Chargers, Colts, just about every team in the playoffs except the Egales and Broncos. Cornerback is a overrated position. We need a Te more than a corner. I wouldn't have been as mad if we draft Merriman or James there going to be a hell of a pass rusher. But a corner is a wasted pick.

brain71 · Post by **brain71** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:35 pm

I agree. The Skins got a good corner at 9 and still could end up with a good wr at 25. It wouldn't have worked the other way.
We needed a CB to help keep the defense at the top of the league.
I have a feeling Mike Williams biggest contribution is going to be pulling pass interference calls against shorter CBs.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 6:22 pm

I'm excited about Rogers, he's not little... how is approx. 6 foot, 200 pounds little? He's very big for a CB, has a great vertical jump, is a tremendous leader on the field, very coachable and what's more... HE LOVES THAT THE REDSKINS DRAFTED HIM!

He's been quoted as saying that he was blown away by the Redskins treatment of him and their coaching staff's credentials and how he hoped that we'd draft him. He's going to be an excellent player, probably better than a vintage Shawn Springs IMO.

gregory smith · Post by **gregory smith** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 7:09 pm

Mr. Manfreda, please just go be a fan of some other team. We will all be much happier.

ii7-V7 · Post by **ii7-V7** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 10:01 pm

Our Defense was....was....number 3....

But it was that way because we had one of the best Secondaries in the league. We could rush seven because our Corners and Safeties were able to stay man-to-man with the likes of TO and Moss. Rogers scouting sheet coming out of college looks much better than Smoots. You wouldn't call Smoot a piece of crap would you?

Well, Smoot is gone and we are very thin and Old at CB. So if you want to continue to have the number 3 defense then you better start learning to like Carlos Rogers....who is more NFL ready than Rolle or Jones...even if he doesn't quite have the upside.

Besides you should know better than simply relying on a Scouting report! They also said that T.O. wasn't that good when he came out!

Chad

skinsfano28 · Post by **skinsfano28** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 10:29 pm

i agree on two things:

manfreda--leave us alone

and chaddukes is a genius: TO was drafted in what the third round out of tennessee chattanooga? the scouting report said he was brash and didn't run good routes, but in his first 8 years in the league he has become one of the most prolific receivers in the NFL. Fred Smoot, another guy mentioned by chaddukes is a great example. everyone is crying about smoot leaving, but the truth is, this guy is better than smoot. in his first three years, smoot refused to make an open field tackle, much like another guy who wore 21 for the skins (deion, anyone?) carlos rogers was out there stopping running backs and making open field tackles against guys twice his size. this kid is tough, and i think he will be a solid player in his first two years, and a perennial pro-bowler after that. tuberville not only coaches his players, but he instills value of character in them, and its no wonder that four of them went in the first round. stop complaining and welcome the fact that we brought in a better player than we let go.

skinsfano28 · Post by **skinsfano28** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 10:30 pm

i agree on two things:

manfreda--leave us alone

and chaddukes is a genius: TO was drafted in what the third round out of tennessee chattanooga? the scouting report said he was brash and didn't run good routes, but in his first 8 years in the league he has become one of the most prolific receivers in the NFL. Fred Smoot, another guy mentioned by chaddukes is a great example. everyone is crying about smoot leaving, but the truth is, this guy is better than smoot. in his first three years, smoot refused to make an open field tackle, much like another guy who wore 21 for the skins (deion, anyone?) carlos rogers was out there stopping running backs and making open field tackles against guys twice his size. this kid is tough, and i think he will be a solid player in his first two years, and a perennial pro-bowler after that. tuberville not only coaches his players, but he instills value of character in them, and its no wonder that four of them went in the first round. stop complaining and welcome the fact that we brought in a better player than we let go.

skinsfano28 · Post by **skinsfano28** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 10:31 pm

i agree on two things:

manfreda--leave us alone

and chaddukes is a genius: TO was drafted in what the third round out of tennessee chattanooga? the scouting report said he was brash and didn't run good routes, but in his first 8 years in the league he has become one of the most prolific receivers in the NFL. Fred Smoot, another guy mentioned by chaddukes is a great example. everyone is crying about smoot leaving, but the truth is, this guy is better than smoot. in his first three years, smoot refused to make an open field tackle, much like another guy who wore 21 for the skins (deion, anyone?) carlos rogers was out there stopping running backs and making open field tackles against guys twice his size. this kid is tough, and i think he will be a solid player in his first two years, and a perennial pro-bowler after that. tuberville not only coaches his players, but he instills value of character in them, and its no wonder that four of them went in the first round. stop complaining and welcome the fact that we brought in a better player than we let go.

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 10:57 pm

I think the scouting report says it all:

As a result, Rogers is a late-first round draft prospect.

I like Rogers a lot but I think we overreached by taking him at #9. You don't take the third rated corner with the 9th pick overall.

OCSkins · Post by **OCSkins** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 11:39 pm

First off, i did not want Antrelle Rolle, because of the U of Miami headcase issue, and I thought PacMan was undersized. He's going to get abused by bigger receivers this year. That being said, Rogers gives us depth at CB and on Special Teams. He's an impact player and I like this secondary: Shawn Springs, Sean Taylor, Matt Bowen, and Carlos Rogers with Walt Harris as a nickel back. I love it. Our defense will be number 1 this year!

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 11:42 pm

Our defense will be number 1 this year!

And our offense will still be 30th

Scottskins · Post by **Scottskins** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 7:18 am

SkinzCanes wrote:I think the scouting report says it all:
As a result, Rogers is a late-first round draft prospect.

I like Rogers a lot but I think we overreached by taking him at #9. You don't take the third rated corner with the 9th pick overall.

The only reason for that is his thumb injuries.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=c ... type=story

Four-year starter who has grown more confident as he has gained experience. As a freshman he earned All-SEC freshman honors in 2001, but regressed as a sophomore and junior due to two thumb injuries and a lack of confidence. As a senior he completely turned his game around, succeeding in either man-to-man or zone defenses. He is a superb athlete who has really only tapped part of his amazing potential. He is big, physical and very tough. One worth keeping an eye on as the draft draws nearer.

Draft Projection-

Top 10 talent, but will likely fall into the 15-20 range. His abilities alone put him in the class of Rolle and Jones, but his inconsistency until his senior season dropped him down a notch below those two. Kansas City, Arizona, Washington and Detroit are all in the market for corners and they will be Rogers' likely suitors. If not those four, then the next teams that will give him a long look are New Orleans at 16 and Jacksonville at 21.

Final Analysis-

Rogers' stock really soared after his Pro Day workout at Auburn and he has done nothing to diminish the buzz surrounding his name. With above-average speed and height he is a coveted player and with his return abilities he is clearly the third best corner available in the draft. His potential is unlimited and he will be a steal for the team that takes him, if he last into the latter part of round one.

Rogers will end up being better than Rolle and Pacman...

Scottskins · Post by **Scottskins** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 7:19 am

SkinzCanes wrote:
Our defense will be number 1 this year!

And our offense will still be 30th

Our offense will be at least 15th :wink: