A Sad Day for Me

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 7:06 pm

Welcome to the board all of you newbies.

Today is one of our most controversial days in recent years. You picked a good time to get to know many people.

OCSkins · Post by **OCSkins** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 7:17 pm

I can't believe you Gibbs haters. I was embarrassed to be a fan when Norv ran the team, I was embarrassed by Steve Spurrier. If we had drafted Williams you would have complained that we didn't get a CB, if we had drafted white, you would have cried because he was from C-USA and not the SEC. Do I regret not getting a DE yes I do I wanted Pollack with the 25th pick, but I'm happy with Campbell. It's ridiculous that people can slam on Gibbs like they do. Our alternative was Ray Rhodes. Under Spurrier we would have drafted Winslow and the head case would still be holding out. Who's gone under Gibbs? Laverneous Coles-good riddance he didn't want to get surgery and having 90 passes thrown his way wasn't enough *boo-hoo* Fred Smoot hey uh Fred you're a system corner, ask Chump how he's doing in Denver. Antonio Pierce? he was about the $$$$ the Giants threw it at him and he took it. We got David Patten who has someting no other player on the Skins has (a Super Bowl Ring), we got a Center who won't get pushed around, we got a great CB in the draft, the best guy with a good attitude like Pac-Man and size like Rolle, and we got depth at QB something we haven't has since 1991, and don't tell me Schuler/Frerotte = depth at QB, I mean you needed high boots to walk through them and you needed a shovel. So if you're embarrassed by Gibbs go jump on the Egle/Giant/Cowfart bandwagon

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 7:40 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:
pxalpha97 wrote:In all my years of being a Redskins fan (since 1976), ...
I share your frustration but not your comments. BTP brought a whole thread praising Snyder recently. So, you can understand his views.

Results are results and they are bad, very bad. Snyder has brought nothing else but pain and frustration to the Redskins and his fans over his entire ownership. It is sad to see a team do waste a draft. But that team happens to be the Skins, it is a tragedy for us fans.

We should have known when the trade with Denver took place that NOTHING good would come out of this.

Welcome to the board.

RIC... do you honestly believe this was Snyders decision? Drafting a CB and a back-up QB, sure doesn't sound like a splashy Snyder decision to me.... I guess you didn't read the pointing finger thread close enough.... maybe in one ear and out the other, eh?

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 8:14 pm

BringThePain! wrote: I guess you didn't read the pointing finger thread close enough.... maybe in one ear and out the other, eh?

The fact that I ignored your thread does not make it right. Mr. Snyder is responsible for having hired Vinny Cerrato. The most important decision of a leader is the selection of the people around him/her.

Mr. Snyder is responsible for Vinny and all the mayhem this man has brought on to us. That is what your "kiss Dan's behind" thread is worth to me. :puke:

bags · Post by **bags** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 9:23 pm

If we trade PRam for a next year number one or for Darren Howard this move (Denver trade and all). Comes out looking sweet. PRams tough has hell and has a bullet arm, but he did always have accuracy problems. We don't have big target recievers (at least one sans butterfingers) so haveing an accurate passer may be better than a high velocity one. Who would you rather have Brett Farve and his erratic bullets or Tom Brady and his catchable balls? Its an argument that I can see either side of but the supporting cast has to be there. And the Green Bay weather has helped BF interception ratio a bit, Imagine guys with no hands (CB) trying to catch lasers in the cold. If we come out of this draft with a QB, CB and a DE I think we are sitting way better than I could ever imagine.

Wish we could have gotten Matt Jones though

ii7-V7 · Post by **ii7-V7** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 9:44 pm

BringThePain! wrote:Welcome to the board...

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out....

I couldn't have said it better myself!

Skinsfan55 wrote:Joe Gibbs had SERIOUS reservations about Ramsey, that's why he brought Mark Brunell aboard... then he saw Jason Campbell work out, interviewed him, watched his game tape and fell in love with this excellent young quarterback...

What's wrong with you guys?

"Joe Gibbs is a football God! He knows what he's doing, unless he makes a decision that I don't like!"

Jason Campbell is the future of the franchise now.

I think this may be the only time that I have ever agreed with you.

Warmother · Post by **Warmother** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 10:03 pm

Time will tell if drafting Campbell was worth it. If he developes into the starter and leads us to the SB it was a great trade. If he doesn't then the trade wasn't worth it. We will know in 2-3 years.

Scottskins · Post by **Scottskins** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 10:13 pm

Warmother wrote:Time will tell if drafting Campbell was worth it. If he developes into the starter and leads us to the SB it was a great trade. If he doesn't then the trade wasn't worth it. We will know in 2-3 years.

Just wanted to add to that. If Ramsey plays top 5 football this season, it was also worth it.

I think this pick was just as much about pushing Ramsey as it was about getting a good guy for the future.

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 10:20 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:
BringThePain! wrote: I guess you didn't read the pointing finger thread close enough.... maybe in one ear and out the other, eh?
The fact that I ignored your thread does not make it right. Mr. Snyder is responsible for having hired Vinny Cerrato. The most important decision of a leader is the selection of the people around him/her.

Mr. Snyder is responsible for Vinny and all the mayhem this man has brought on to us. That is what your "kiss Dan's behind" thread is worth to me.

Sorry... I forgot you like to dance around things.... let me rephrase it.... Do you believe Dan Snyder is responsible for the picks of Carlos Rodgers & Jason Campbell? Do you believe he went to Joe and said... "Joe, We're taking Rodgers & Campbell whether you like it or not!"

Better?

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 11:56 pm

No dancing around anything. I am shooting straight.

BringThePain! wrote:Do you believe he went to Joe and said... "Joe, We're taking Rodgers & Campbell whether you like it or not!"

No, I do not believe that Joe Gibbs would put up with such a preposterous bunch of cr@p fantasy.

I am saying that a person that helps manage the cap, and the scouting and drafting of players would be of great assistance to the Team. Vinny has been a liability to this team and the only person responsible for it is Dan Snyder.

Primetime42 · Post by **Primetime42** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 1:35 am

In all honesty, an outsider's opinion: step back and take a look at yourselves.

On one side of the room you have the chicken littles.

On the other side you have 'faithful' who feel Gibbs can do no wrong.

Only a select few are actually THINKING here. I mean geez, it wasn't even this bad on OUR side last year when we passed on Jackson.

But that worked out didn't it?

Trust your coach, but take it with a grain of salt.

You may now resume your pointless argument. <gets off soapbox>

die cowboys die · Post by **die cowboys die** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 3:04 am

i don't think you can say that passing on jackson actually worked out until julius jones makes it through the season without getting hurt. your entire 2004 season was ruined by his injury.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 3:15 am

Primetime42 wrote:In all honesty, an outsider's opinion: step back and take a look at yourselves.

On one side of the room you have the chicken littles.

On the other side you have 'faithful' who feel Gibbs can do no wrong.

Only a select few are actually THINKING here. I mean geez, it wasn't even this bad on OUR side last year when we passed on Jackson.

But that worked out didn't it?

Trust your coach, but take it with a grain of salt.

You may now resume your pointless argument. <gets off soapbox>

This is the voice of reason :?:

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 8:35 am

Redskin in Canada wrote:No dancing around anything. I am shooting straight.

BringThePain! wrote:Do you believe he went to Joe and said... "Joe, We're taking Rodgers & Campbell whether you like it or not!"
No, I do not believe that Joe Gibbs would put up with such a preposterous bunch of cr@p fantasy.

I am saying that a person that helps manage the cap, and the scouting and drafting of players would be of great assistance to the Team. Vinny has been a liability to this team and the only person responsible for it is Dan Snyder.

again... you never answer anything straight.... who made the pick? one name? Snyder or Gibbs?... Vinny can't make picks, maybe opinions but he can't make picks.... he's got control over nothing.... so answer the question.... who made the pick?

this will be attempt number 3 to try and get a straight answer out of you... it's not that hard a question...

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 8:42 am

Primetime42 wrote:In all honesty, an outsider's opinion: step back and take a look at yourselves.

On one side of the room you have the chicken littles.

On the other side you have 'faithful' who feel Gibbs can do no wrong.

Only a select few are actually THINKING here. I mean geez, it wasn't even this bad on OUR side last year when we passed on Jackson.

But that worked out didn't it?

Trust your coach, but take it with a grain of salt.

You may now resume your pointless argument. <gets off soapbox>

<sees Primetime42 jumping off soapbox.... BTP! runs over and gives him a swiff kick in the :lowblow:

>

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 11:14 am

BringThePain! wrote: Vinny can't make picks, maybe opinions but he can't make picks.... he's got control over nothing.... so answer the question.... who made the pick?

THIS is the WHOLE point. In the current Redskins draft room, Vinny provides an important input. A number of people score players based on need and talent. But the strength of the position of Vinny is not only based on his score and vote in front of everybody. His position allows him to speak to Gibbs and offer alternative options.

So, I do not care if the final decision is made by Gibbs or the whole bunch of YES people. There has to be a knowledgeable person to REMIND Joe, as he was reminded several times in the past, that he was not picking the right guy. Dave Butz as a good player who Joe originally opposed and Desmond Howard as a bad player that he picked are two prime examples of what can go wrong.

Yes, I miss B. Beathard and J.K. Cooke. So you can go back now to your "kiss Dan's behind" thread and sing his praises. He might even give you a season ticket in the "partially" blocked view seats in return for your "support". But you are going to have to do better than that if you want to match Vinny Cerrato's way of kissing up.

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 11:42 am

anybody else notice that I asked him 3 times one simple question... and 3 times, he can't give me a straight answer... all he has to do is say one name... it's like talking to a child... when you ask them why they did something and they start going off in 15 different directions...

nobody's kissing anybody's behind RIC... I was just trying to have a simple back and forth conversation... something you have a hard time doing... so I concede... and will waste my posts on someone else... good day..

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 11:47 am

BringThePain! wrote:so I concede... and will waste my posts on someone else... good day..

You do that and have a nice day in the process too.

crazyhorse1 · Post by **crazyhorse1** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 3:02 pm

I've been a Redskin fan for over fifty years--that's right, over fifty. Maybe I've missed ten games. And I plan on being a Skins fan for as long as I'm on the planet. Still, I'm telling you, this whole off-season, capped by this draft, is the dumbest damn thing the Skins have done since Preston Marshall refused to hire blacks. The second dumbest was hiring Brunell. The third was starting Kilmer over Jurgensen, which cost that idiot George Allen a championship or two. Gibbs has made two of the four dumbest Redskin moves in memory.
He's also the best coach in Redskin history.
Go figure.

Fios · Post by **Fios** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:40 pm

In all my years of being a Redskins fan (since 1976), I can't remember seeing a team, coaches and owner less dedicated to winning than this group.

I'm late to the game on this one, however: Does this mean you've seen other Redskins FOs dedicated to losing? How would you rank them? Does being completely dedicated to losing have any value? Do you think Dan and Joe (as you're on a first-name basis) have "Losing Is Our Passion" motivational posters? Do players who aid the losing effort get game balls? How is that determined? What kind of motivational speaker would a group of people not dedicated to winning hire?

thaiphoon · Post by **thaiphoon** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:34 pm

I'm not less of a fan just because I won't lie to myself about how they've done recently.

/ Agreed ... I LOVE Joe Gibbs the coach. Joe Gibbs the personnel guy leaves ALOT to be desired. It does not make me less fo a fan to point out that the emporer has no clothes when it comes to drafting (Desmond Howard anyone ??). This is why we still need a decent GM ( oh God not Cerrato please) back with the 'skins. I wonder of Charlie Casserly or Beathard would ever return ... hmmmmm ...

Punu · Post by **Punu** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 11:55 am

Manfreda, what is up with you? Are you just mad or are you a fan of another NFC east team and just having fun on this site?

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 8:04 pm

crazyhorse1 wrote:And I plan on being a Skins fan for as long as I'm on the planet.

Any inter-galactic travel plans in the future? There is a sale on space travel tickets on E-Bay.

The Skins are a package. Love it or hate it.

JPM36 · Post by **JPM36** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 8:59 pm

I dont like it when people say Joe Gibbs doesnt know personnel and then they cite one guy (ie Desmond Howard)

Every personnel guy has made ONE mistake at some point. Granted that was a major one, but no one is perfect. Gibbs knows football players. He knew football players well enough to be part of a group that put together 3 Super Bowl championship teams.

Have a little faith.

sch1977 · Post by **sch1977** » Sun May 01, 2005 11:26 pm

How can you pass judgment on this draft already? I mean hell, Campbell hasnt played a game yet. Let's suppose for the sake of argument that Campbell plays this year, and has a Roethlisberger type season, then what? Are you same naysayers going to suddenly jump back on the band wagon? If you dont want to be a skins fan because they "possibly" made a bad draft pick, then you were never a true fan to begin with! I am tired of losing as well, but I think our biggest problem over the last decade has been inconsistency. New coaches and coordinaters every other year, etc.. It is going to take Gibbs time, but he WILL return us to glory. Hell, he won a Superbowl with Mark Rypien for crying out loud. I will not abandon my team now, or in the future. So if you want to dissassociate yourselves from the franchise, so be it! We dont need "fans" like you anyway.

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