Alex Smith..The Biggest

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Alex Smith..The Biggest

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Bust of this draft. Anyone else think Alex Smith is going to be a serious bust?

I have not seen anything out of him personally that would say he is the best player in this draft. The number one pick doesn't seem to go to the best player available, but rather the best QB available. Were Leinart coming out..sure...he is the best player. But Smith.? He ran an option style offense, is very undersized and is not the most experienced at his position.

I don't normally speculate...but Im willing to go on record and risk looking foolish to say that Smith is going to be a BUST.
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He's only going to be a bust because he goes #1 to a crappy team that really shouldn't be picking him in the first place. Let's face it, this draft lacks the big name we always get accustomed to seeing. SF should draft Braylon Edwards, Ronnie Brown, or trade down to nab Mike Williams, THEN select Adrian McPherson (Yes, him)...ride out another down year, and take Matt Lienart next season.

But they won't.
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I don't know why teams don't learn the lesson...If your team is bad enough to have the #1 overall pick...YOU NEED MORE THAN A QB" A rookie quarterback on a team that has no offensive line, no running game, and no defense spells disaster.

The quickest turnaround for a team that bad is on defense and ball control. I my opinion they should take Ronnie Brown and select a receiver later to play opposite Brandon Lloyd.

They should shore up their defense through FA and the remainder of the draft...Alex Smith will have to change his name to "Man on Fire"...
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I dont think either of the top 2 QB have any franchise talent.

If I was piking first I'd get Mike Williams, then draft to QB who do have a future, Adrian McPhearson or Jason Campbell.
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The Hogster wrote:Bust of this draft. Anyone else think Alex Smith is going to be a serious bust?

I have not seen anything out of him personally that would say he is the best player in this draft. The number one pick doesn't seem to go to the best player available, but rather the best QB available. Were Leinart coming out..sure...he is the best player. But Smith.? He ran an option style offense, is very undersized and is not the most experienced at his position.

I don't normally speculate...but Im willing to go on record and risk looking foolish to say that Smith is going to be a BUST.

You couldn't be more wrong, he is very accurate 6'4 and the most intellegent Qb in the draft. His arm isn't weak ethier. He is also fast, just because he dosen't look to run every play doesn't mean he is not fast.
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He didn't play in a option offense, he played in a spread offense, featuring the shot gun.
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John Manfreda wrote:He didn't play in a option offense, he played in a spread offense, featuring the shot gun.


Yeah...Its called the Spread Option offense John..and the reason I point to that is that no team in the NFL runs this type of offense.
It is precisely an option offense run out of the shotgun. See the following article which explains Urban Meyer's spread option offense http://www.sportingnews.com/exclusives/ ... 77002.html

Anyway, it is not a Wing Tee Option offense or anything, but it is definitely a system that is inoperable in the NFL.

I guess I should have said "slight' as opposed to undersized. He is 6'4 and weighs 212...that is decent size, but it seems like he could stand to bulk his frame, but Im being overly critical there i admit.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but Smith's most impressive credential in my opinion is leading Utah to an undefeated season. He is certainly accurate completing 66 percent of his passes, however, the signature play of the spread option offense are hot reads to the Tight End and WR when the option is not there...which leads to a lot of 2 yard stretch patterns to hot read receivers...and a high comp. %. As far as not looking to run every play, that is one of the fundamental reads of the spread option offense. The quarterback boots to weak side, or keeps inside depending on which Tackle is uncovered. So, not to contradict you, but he does look to run on a lot more frequent basis than does a quarterback in a reagular offense.

I think he is talented, but definitely not the best player in this draft...and going to the 49ers there is a very low likelihood he will be able to prove his worth as a rookie QB, under center, on a terrible team with no running game.
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He isn't the most talented, but he is a great leader. At Qb I think that's as important as talent. The offense, okay you got me their. He still threw a lot and threw long passes. I don't have any numbers but I remember watching him a couple of times and he had some long throws. He isn't the most talented but he has talent, but talent isn't everything. There's heart, smarts, work ethic, and leadership that are also as important as talent. You got to take in postional importance also. If you could take the best player in the league at any position who would you pick? It would be the Quarterback right. If it isn't I want to know what position it would be. You got to also take into consideration that Smith will probably sit out at least a year and they will get instant help with the other rounds picks. Than next year they will get more talent to surrond him with when he starts.
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The Colts drafted high on a Qb, I think they turned out allright. So did the Eagles and Vikings. There are some bust, but there also some superstars.
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Oh I most certainly agree, but the only way i would pick a qb is if he were a difference maker like Leinart, Peyton, even McNabb and Culpepper were not #1's.

My only point is that if a team is bad enough to have the 1st pick...meaning the worst in the league...then a rookie qb is not going to be your answer.. Who would I take?

This year I would say..go with Ronnie Brown, or Braylon Edwards. Then pick up a Quarterback later, like Orton, Frye, Campbell, or McPherson. I would also acquire a veteran quarterback to start immediately and bring the rookie along.

Bottom line, I think that you can't take a QB for the sake of taking one at #1, and expect him to make the difference when the rest of your team is terrible...you are setting him up for failure.

For every Peyton Manning, there are several Ryan Leafs, Heath Schulers, Dave Ragone's, Akili Smiths, Brian Greises. Peyton is Hall of Fame bound...but so is Tom Brady. :up:
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The Hogster wrote:Bust of this draft. Anyone else think Alex Smith is going to be a serious bust?

I have not seen anything out of him personally that would say he is the best player in this draft. The number one pick doesn't seem to go to the best player available, but rather the best QB available. Were Leinart coming out..sure...he is the best player. But Smith.? He ran an option style offense, is very undersized and is not the most experienced at his position.

I don't normally speculate...but Im willing to go on record and risk looking foolish to say that Smith is going to be a BUST.


I'll bite.

I actually think he'll be fine; worthy of a number 1 or 2 in this years draft.
You don't need the strongest arm to succeed, you just need to be smart and accurate and mobile ala Chad Pennington.

The spread offense is run from the shotgun, but he won't be the first qb to have to adapt to taking snaps from under center. He can learn.

The spread is not used by any NFL teams, but it does have one aspect going for it. Multiple options. Even the link you provided describes the necessity of the qb to make an immediate read of the DE on the weakside. Any offense where the qb is forced to use his head will prepare him that much more for the light years ahead complexity of the nfl compared to college.

He's a smart player and leads a team well. Because of his brain, accuracy, mobility and leadership skills I say no bust.
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