Who's going to score points?

crazyhorse1 · Post by **crazyhorse1** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 3:40 pm

We have a question mark on the left side of the OT, a tendency to committ penalties, a maybe at QB, no outstanding receivers except a H-B, and questionable FG unit? Why is anyone even talking about drafting for D., at any position. We've already got great potential at CB, an excellent prospect as pass rusher at DE (as well as the return of LeVar and Daniels), as well as solid linemen on D (maybe a need for future because of age, but not pressing.
What we don't have are a killer WR, a fine TE, a viable backup and prospect at QB, and a reason not to need Dockery. We won't get Edwards or Williams. Let's trade down and go for Miller, Jones, McPherson or best available, best available OL. Williamson would be great if we could swing some deal and not lose Miller by failing to trade down. Trading Moss would suit me just fine, or even a future pick. We need a killer WR and a meaningful TE! Minimum! You guys who think Portis is going to grind us away to the playoffs better check your programs to see how much the dude weights.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 4:09 pm

Trade Moss for a future pick? So essentially lose Laverneous, take a 9 million cap hit, and then only get a future pick for him? I don't quite see how that helps our offense.

The NFL draft is not determined by only one round..I like Miller but, he is not the only good TE available. Just like Cool

ey was around in the 3rd, there is talent available outside of the 1st round.

We only have 1 pick in the 1st right now. That doesn't mean we only have 1 pick in the entire draft. We must improve as a team. That is a more important factor than Portis' weight IMO...

i do think we could use a good short yardage back, or sometimes give our full back the ball..whatever happened to the role of a Gerald Riggs in our offense? I don't remember us ever running the fullback last season.

I would be happy with drafting Heath Miller, but not with the 9 pick, only if we could trade down, but that is contingent on a lot of things beyond our control...

WshSkins22 · Post by **WshSkins22** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 5:53 pm

I agree with crazy horse 1, except we do have a good tight end (cooley) he is an hb but he is on the line and goes out for passes...we have a blocking tight end in royal, and qb is a little more than a maybe did u even watch fball at the end of the year he was clicking with an upset coles and 50-50...he didnt have much to work with not including an injuerd jansen and a 42 year old at tackle...that being said u are right that we need to use the number 9 for offense...jones is going to be a mismatch guy no corner will be able to stay with him...if u guys thihnk moss cuts is your in for a surprise that man had 45 catches last year

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 7:50 pm

I agree we defienetly need to use it on offense.

BurgundyandGoldfaith · Sun Apr 10, 2005 8:50 pm

Who is the DE??? as far as I'm concerned, we don't have a pass rusher other than Lavar. I think Dockery is fine and necessary for short yardage situations to have a guard over 310. I do think we could use Miller at TE but we already have a pass catching TE\HB in Cool

ey. We need a real blocking TE, a huge short yardage back, and if we can't get a "killer" #1 WR than we need a very solid third wideout. Rookie WR's generally don't come flying out the gate so maybe we can get lucky between the draft and June 1.

".if u guys thihnk moss cuts is your in for a surprise that man had 45 catches last year"

what does that mean??

The more D the better. Even if our offense improves to 15th overall, letting the D slip won't keep us in games. We were within a TD in many games last season and I would prefer that to losing games 35-24. Our game is clock management and the ground game. It's all hearsay, but my personal opinion is to trade down, draft a REAL pass rusher not a prospect, get secondary help in the third, a blocking TE and a Short yardage RB\FB with latter picks. I do agree that Matt Jones would be worth a gamble in our current situation.

BurgundyandGoldfaith · Sun Apr 10, 2005 8:53 pm

I also strongly believe we have a DEFINITE at QB. If not, what's your solution, draft one?

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 9:12 pm

The secret to scoring points the Gibbs way is being able to run the ball when everone in the stadium knows that you are going to run the ball. In the second half of last year we were passing on third and one, and near the goal line. I'm here to tell you that is definateley not Gibbs football and Joe Bugel must have been just sick, because plain and simple if the defense thought that we might run the ball the outcome was always, no gain!

Having Jansen back and the new center should help, but Samuals is not the best run blocking LT and Dockery blocks like a guy that weighs 240 not 340! Having an elite receiver (we have nothing close to resembling that on our team) would help, but we need a G. Riggs type RB to pick up the tough yards and keep the chains moving. We can get one of those in the later rounds, but I desperatley want us to trade down so that we have three or four picks on day one. It is realistic to think that you can get a starter on day one, and not too realistic on day two of the draft. It woud be nice to be able to draft a WR, CB, an DE on the first day. Besides, historically you have a better chance of getting a very good WR in the 2nd or 3rd round. Drafting a WR in the first round is almost as risky as drafting a QB. You have better odds winning big at the black jack tables in Vegas than hitting big on a WR in round 1. Usually if someone drafts a WR in outside the top five in the draft they are happy if they end up with a WR that produces as well as Gardner. More often then not they get F. Mitchell or Troy Edwards.

crazyhorse1 · Post by **crazyhorse1** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:20 am

In regard to my past comments, I didn't say trade Moss for a future pick. I said trade Moss, or a future pick. I think its important to put a great receiving WR, TE, and HB on the field at the same time. I'd like to see Williams or Jones, Heath Miller, Cool

ey and another fine WR on the field at the same time even if takes trading Moss OR a future pick.
Three more points, however. I remind any and all that this season is over if Ramsey goes down. We need a QB. Also, as I failed to mention, and everyone else has, we need a truly kick ass short yardage back. Please do not respond by bringing up the names of Rock or other current RB's. That'll only show you're in denial. Thirdly, again, forget the D!.
The D's Ok. It's the offense that's threatening to turn up DOA.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:35 am

I don't think anyone disagrees with your opinion to put great receiving WR, TE, and HB on the field, I just think that you must remain open to the idea that those players don't have to be obtained in the first round. It would be ideal, but reality is we currently have only one pick in the first.

We can definitely fill one of these needs with the 9 pick, or by a trade down...but any of that is speculation at this point.

gregory smith · Post by **gregory smith** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:12 pm

I assume by great potential at CB you are referring to Garnell Wilds. He may become a player, but we don't know that. Our other corners are old and have the reputation as being fragile. When healthy Springs and Harris can get the job done, but after that it gets dangerously thin. We need to draft a corner. As far as Matt Jones is concerned, drafting him would be a huge mistake. I've watched him for years at Arkansas. There are 2 posters that I know of from Arkansas. Me and Smithian. I've noticed he agrees with me on the Jones issue. He is Poison. Draft Pac-man.

BurgundyandGoldfaith · Mon Apr 11, 2005 7:38 pm

What happens to Indy if Manning goes down? There are dozens of teams that are in trouble if their starting QB goes down, that's why backups are ALL SECOND RATE. No good QB wants to back any one up. that's ridiculous