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- The Baltimore Orioles are the interlopers. They belong in St Louis as the Browns.

- The Orioles came to their town -- which I never mistook for the District of Columbia, the capital of this entire country, home of America's (Football) Team -- after Clark Griffith gave permission. The Nats were here first.

- As a plain kid from Northeast (Bunker Hill Elementary School on Michigan Avenue) I learned that, after loyalty to the USA, one must be loyal to the Senators and the Redskins. No matter how bad either team was.

- As Josiah Royce put it, the only way to learn loyalty to a cause is to suffer defeat, and to remain loyal.

- I hated when Calvin (the racist) Griffith took the old Senators off to Minnesota. We cheered in 6th grade when the first Twins home game was snowed out. Served them right.

- I hated when Bob Short gutted the New Senators, and then took them to Dallas in 1971.

- I cheered when George Allen, the great George, said, "Baseball has insulted the capital of the free world. The Redskins have not made the playoffs in 25 years, but I promise that this year we're going to the playoffs! Our team will make up for what baseball did!" And the Redskins went to the playoffs that season, and they were always near the top of the league until Joe Gibbs retired more than 20 years later.

- I swore off major league baseball then and there. I cheer for the Yankees, but it's not the same.

- Hondo forever!

- Orioles, never!

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It will never happen, I'm afraid.

Had I experienced the Senators at some point in my life, it may be different, but I didn't. And now the Montreal Expos are now the Washington Nationals, doesn't make them any less the Expos to me.

Same as the Ravens will always be the Browns. Sure the Redskins used to be the Boston Braves, but that was also long before my time. They have always been the Redskins to me and will always maintain my loyalties, just like the Orioles. :up:
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Hey how bout Brad Wilkerson hitting for the cycle in the 2nd game?




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WOHOO! The Nats first win... and the O's are getting spanked... back to their usual ways...

It's a good night.. :up:
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BringThePain! wrote:WOHOO! The Nats first win... and the O's are getting spanked... back to their usual ways...

It's a good night.. :up:


Sweet! :twisted:

I'm sort of upset that the O's loss but these days an O's loss doesn't affect me as much as it used to.

Man, a cycle. I miss a lot at work. :(
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Jake wrote:
BringThePain! wrote:WOHOO! The Nats first win... and the O's are getting spanked... back to their usual ways...

It's a good night.. :up:


Sweet! :twisted:

I'm sort of upset that the O's loss but these days an O's loss doesn't affect me as much as it used to.

Man, a cycle. I miss a lot at work. :(

Oh no, don't worry about it. You missed absolutely nothing while at work. Angelos and that terrible TV deal that Bud Selig negotiated prevented Washington residents from being able to watch the game (Washington Post's Mike Wise talked about it a little in todays article). What made things even worse was that I couldn't watch the games online or on the baseball packages on cable because of blackout restrictions. Selig gave in to his friend Angelos, and now all fans of the Nats are losing out. I can't get one game on TV unless it is nationally televised because of this deal. Any games broadcast through Fox-5 doesn't do me any good 200 miles away, and the blackout restrictions hurt the situation even more.
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I know it wasn't televised in the area. I was talking about that I missed to information/updates on the game, period.

Even if it was televisd, I don't get DC's UPN 20. I have Baltimore's UPN 24. :(
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Oh. Sorry, I was kind of upset last night that I couldn't watch the game. I ended up watching the updates online, but seeing numbers change isn't quite like watching the actual games.
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Nats win, bottom of the 10th!!! They took the series from Philly!

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Redskins1974 wrote:Nats win, bottom of the 10th!!! They took the series from Philly!

Wooo hoooo!!


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Nats win, bottom of the 10th!!! They took the series from Philly!


I almost feel like repeating the quote!! :D :D :D
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2-1 :rock:

Dudes... we're leading our Division...WORLD SERIES OR BUST! I can feel it.... =P~
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Well.... tonight the D-Train was on... that's the one good/bad thing about baseball (pending on what side your teams on).... when the pitcher is on his game... there's not much you can do to stop him...
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Ohka allows three runs, but Willis blanks Washington
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Tomo Ohka allowed three runs over six innings in his first start of the season. (Alan Diaz/AP)
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MIAMI -- Left-hander Dontrelle Willis proved to be too much for the Nationals, who were blanked by the Marlins, 9-0, in front of 19,327 fans at Dolphins Stadium on Friday night.

Willis pitched his fifth career complete game and gave up just five hits. He struck out three and walked just one. The Nationals didn't have a player in scoring position the entire game. Willis improved his record against the Expos/Nationals franchise to 6-2 with a 2.38 ERA.

"He has good movement to his fastball, and he keeps the ball down in the zone," said center fielder Brad Wilkerson. "He throws strikes. We started to hit some balls hard in the end. We have to be aggressive against him."

Willis was able to handcuff a team that collected 40 hits during its first three games of the season. Manager Frank Robinson said that Willis kept the Nationals off balance when he was behind in the count.

"He has good stuff. He seems to have our number. He pitched one hell of a ballgame tonight," Robinson said. "I wanted to see what we would do against a guy that has been tough on us in the past. I was hoping we would put a little pressure on him, but we didn't get anything going tonight. Hopefully, we'll get back on track tomorrow."

Willis also helped himself with the bat by going 2-for-4 with two RBIs.

Nationals right-hander Tomo Ohka, who had one of the five hits, gave up three runs in six innings. Ohka's record dropped to 1-9 against the Marlins.

Robinson felt that Ohka was uncomfortable on the mound and that the right-hander was fortunate to pitch six innings.

"Ohka wasn't real good out there. He never did get in his groove," Robinson said. "Most of his pitches were up all night long. He never got the ball down. I'm surprised that he survived as long as he did."

Ohka needed to find a way to stop Juan Pierre, Luis Castillo and Miguel Cabrera, all of whom had a .385 career batting average or better against him. Ohka managed to contain Pierre and Castillo, but Cabrera did his damage against Ohka in the first inning.

On the first pitch, Cabrera hit his first home run of the season to make it 1-0.

The Marlins added to their lead in the next inning. After Castillo walked, he stole second and went to third on a throwing error by catcher Brian Schneider. It was Schneider's second error of the season. Last year, he didn't make his first error until Sept. 7.

"I probably shouldn't have thrown the ball," Schneider said. "I didn't have a good grip. But I've thrown many balls to second base without good grips. The last thing you want to do is be tentative. I'm just going to do my best."

Alex Gonzalez then singled to center to drive in Castillo.

In the sixth inning, Mike Lowell jumped on Ohka's first pitch -- a fastball -- and hit his first homer of the season to make it 3-0.

Antonio Osuna was on the mound in the bottom of the eighth inning when Cabrera hit his second home run of the game, a two-run shot over the left-field wall. Osuna recorded only one out in the inning. With the bases loaded, Gonzalez walked to force home Carlos Delgado.

Left-hander Joey Eischen came in and gave up a two-run single to the left-handed hitting Willis to make it 8-0. For his career, Willis is 11-for-22 (.500) with a home run and five RBIs against the Nationals.

"I don't know what it is, but he gets hits off us," Wilkerson said. "He had a great at-bat with the bases loaded when Joey came in. Dontrelle is a good hitter."

Pierre drove in the final run of the game by hitting a sacrifice fly to drive in Gonzalez. All six runs that inning were charged to Osuna. It was the most runs he had ever given up in his career.

"He couldn't get the ball down either," Robinson said. "I don't know what it is. Tonight, our pitchers had trouble getting the ball down in the zone."

The Nationals and Marlins are both now 2-2 this season.

Bill Ladson is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


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That was a close one against the Marlins last night... but we pulled it out.... I consider the Marlins a very good team.... and I think they've played them pretty well so far... You couldn't tell by the 9-0 shellacking we got handed the night before.... but most of that was the Nats RP blowing it....

They're playing pretty good baseball this opening week... let's hope they can keep it going...
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So the article is handy, here is the great Shirley Povich, sports writer for the Washington Post for more than 70 years -- yes, early '20s until he died about 1999 -- on the last Senators home, the last regular season game played by the Nats in Washington,

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The Senators' Final Game

By Shirley Povich
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Oct. 1, 1971

Everybody in Kennedy Stadium stood up at 7:30 p.m. because the voice on the loudspeaker said, "We ask you to join Robert Merrill in singing the National Anthem." The voice did not bother to explain that Merrill was on wax, and that Robert, baby, was not deserting the Metropolitan Opera stage for this occasion. It was merely one more of management's deceptions Senators' fans had long been taught to live with.

To those among the crowd who had come in sorrow, the Star Spangled Banner never before sounded so much like a dirge. Francis Scott Key, if he had taken another peek by the dawn's early light, would have seen that the flag ain't still there, and lyricized accordingly. It was captured and in transit to Arlington, Tex., which, to embittered Washington fans, is some jerk town with the single boast it is equidistant from Dallas and Fort Worth.

But the jocularity of so many among the 14,460 fans who were present challenged any belief that they had come to a death-bed scene. The Washington Senators, at the end of this game, would be no more after 71 years on earth. The deceased, actually, was a pretty good draw, pulling those who had come to give a last cheer for remembered heroes, or, perforce, to wipe away some tears in public.

But for every mourner who made it to the ball park, there were multiple empty seats to testify that 30,000 others had averted their eyes from the scene, shunning it either in indifference to the whole business or in reluctance to give chortling Bob Short one last handout at the highest admission prices in the league.

Those who were savoring this last, fond look at the Senators let it be known by their cheers that they absolved the athletes of all blame in the messy machinations that rooked the city of its major-league status. Even the .190 hitters heard the hearty farewells, and in the case of big Frank Howard it was thunderous when he came to the plate.

If there was no general wet-eyed melancholia in the stadium, there were still unmistakable pockets of bitterness. From the upper stands hung banners spelling out four-letter words in large design, all of them reviling club owner Bob Short for shanghaing the team to Texas.

Special police dispatched by management to remove the hanging vulgarities in the second inning drew the boos of the crowd, which was making no secret that its sentiments were pro-banners and anti-police. And then in the third inning, the six-letter word made its appearance in the left-field upper stands in a new, vertical banner that read "Short Stinks." There were new cheers for that little number, which had a life of approximately 10 minutes before police took it by storm.

In the stands, neighbor nudged neighbor in glee while pointing to the sprouting number of anti-Short graffiti in the the stadium. But in the sixth inning, with one swipe of his bat, Frank Howard redirected all attention, back to the ball game. He did it with No. 26, one of his super jobs.

It brought on a crowd delirium that for the next many minutes effaced any sadness the people had brought to the stadium on the supposedly sorrowful night. Howard responded with emotion of his own, tipping his hat to a cheering crowd for the first time in his seven years with the Washington club. After whirling his vatting helmet in the air as he rounded the bases, he flipped his soft playing cap into the stands as a fifth symbol of his gladness.

It was four-run inning that tied the score for the Senators at 5-5, and in the eighth they went in front, 7-5, but now, oddly, the temper of the crowd was changing. As if in sudden awareness that the end of major-league baseball in Washington was only one inning way, the mood hardened. "We want Bob Short!" was the cry that picked up in loud and angry chorus, and it was the baying-fury sound of a lynch mob.

Then a swarm of young kids, squirts who wouldn't know what it had meant to have a big-league team all these years, or what it would mean to lose one, flooded onto the field from all points of the stands. A public address announcement warned that the home team could forfeit the game unless the field was cleared, and pretty soon the game resumed.

It got as far as two out in the ninth, the Senators' 7-5 lead intact, no Yankee on base, when one young rebel from the stands set off again. He grabbed first base and ran off with it. Some unbelievers, undaunted by the warning of forfeit, cheered, and from out of the stands poured hundreds, maybe a couple of thousand fans. They took over the infield, the outfield, grabbed off every base as a souvenir, tried to get the numbers and lights from the scoreboard or anything else removable, and by their numbers left police and the four umpires helpless to intervene.

The mad scene on the field, with the athletes of both teams taking refuge in their dugouts, brought official announcement of Yankees 9, Senators 0, baseball's traditional forfeit count almost since Abner Doubleday notched the first baseball score on the handiest twig at Cooperstown. But by then the crowd-mood was philosophical, "So what?" Or more accurately, "So whatha hell?" The Senators were finished, even if the ball game wasn't.

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Now that we [finally!] have major league baseball back in Washington, it's time to proclaim once and for all that Baltimore is for the birds. As a young man growing up in D.C., Baltimore was strictly "second-city." After all, Washington had NATIONAL Airport. Baltimore had Friendship Airport. Our city was named after the man who won the Revolutionary War. Their city was named after a British Lord, and according to my Fairfax County Public Schools education, they're the ones who lost. My first trip into Baltimore was in 1964. I remember vividly the Baltimore City clock tower. It had black block letters across its face, and as I stared through the windshield of my Father's Buick Wildcat, the words became readable. "Bromo Seltzer." Bromo Seltzer?? "Dad," I began, "Why did Baltimore put 'Bromo Seltzer' on their city clock?" "Because," my Dad began, with that rich, reassuring voice that all fathers had in the early '60s, "It is a reminder to use that medicine because living Baltimore makes you sick."
Now, that's not why I disliked Baltimore. It was the Orioles. The Senators invited them to leave St. Louis and play in our back yard, and they repaid us by beating the snot out of us every time we played. The Orioles would trade for Frank Robinson and the Senators would trade for Greg Goosen [sigh]. In 1969, the Senators won 86 games and were competitive the entire year. The Orioles won twenty games more and went to the World Series. In baseball, Washington was the weak sister. When Robert Short did to Washington what he did to Minneapolis a dozen years earlier, I was crushed [bet you didn't know he was the Lakers owner who moved them to L.A. - that's why they are the "Lakers," because Minnesota is known as the "land of 10,000 lakes"]. But even Robert Short's "Texas Two-step" couldn't make me an Oriole fan. For five years, I rooted for the Redskins and the Bullets, and spent my summers at Ocean City. But things changed in 1976. Her name was Sharon.

Having dated many girls, Sharon was the first "woman" I had dated. She was an avid Oriole fan, and wanted to see a game in Baltimore. Hmmmm. Hatred of the Orioles vs. a vivacious redhead [actually, the decision was closer than you'd think]. Just a few days before our country's Bi-centennial, Sharon and I zipped down the parkway towards Baltimore in her bight red VW convertible. I had a great time until we pulled into the Memorial Stadium parking lot. I got kind of clammy. My stomach began to hurt. There before me was Memorial Stadium. It was nothing like RFK. RFK was [at this time] sleek and modern, and Memorial Stadium looked out of date, with its brick façade and 1930's brushed aluminum lettering. I kept muttering to myself, "vivacious redhead...vivacious redhead" as we walked into the stadium.

I still don't get it. Here, in the middle of a large urban city, sitting among 35,000 people, the loudspeakers blared John Denver's "Thank God I'm A Country Boy" after each inning. Didn't see a single country boy in the stands. And people from Baltimore must like the sun, because there was no roof on the stadium and I boiled like a crab from their harbor. Oh, and the game stunk. Reggie Jackson hit two homeruns and Doug DeCinces made a couple of good defensive plays, but the O's lost 14-6 to the Angels. But I couldn't watch the game. I just couldn't All around me were these giant Oriole bird faces with huge grins, staring right at me! They were laughing at me because Baltimore had a baseball team and I didn't. When we got home, the redhead wasn't feeling very vivacious because her team had lost, and she asked me to leave so she could "rest." Crap. The Orioles were even destroying my love life!

I had to get away from that stupid bird. I moved to Pocatello, Idaho 15 years ago, where I don't have to see that beaky bird mocking my misfortune. Alas, the wrongs of the world have been righted with baseball again being part of my life. This time, Washington has Frank Robinson, and the Orioles have the modern day equivalents of Greg Goosen and Jim French. Just as Sir Peter feared, the Orioles will be but a postscript in Washington history. Way back there, in the deep recesses of Washington's memory junkpile, next to the A, B & W Bus company, People's Drug Stores and Glen Echo Amusement Park, will be the faint odor of the Orioles.

Thirty years from now, a young boy will dig up an old picture of his dad wearing an Oriole's cap and, with tears in his eyes, ask "Why?" "Son," the dad will begin, using lyrics from a song that rocked D.C. the summer of the Senators greatest year, 'If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with.'" Baltimore, we were lonely. We're not lonely anymore. Deal with it.




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:lol: Good Stuff.... I hate them just as much...
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The Nats are doing better than I thought they would
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Yeah... They're are playing well... Winning today 11-4 against the Braves....

Winning the series with Atlanta, & Philly... & Taking one game from the Marlins... Facing a bunch of great pitchers (Lieber,Hampton,Hudson,Willis,Beckett)... and coming out 5-4, all on the road.....and tied for first place... I'd say we're doing real well...

Can't wait for tommorrow night... it's gonna be awesome... I'll be the one catching the first homer at home... :-"
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It's a darn shame the home opener is tonite and we can't even see it on TV - thanks Mr. Angelos....Arggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh !!
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SkinsChic wrote:It's a darn shame the home opener is tonite and we can't even see it on TV - thanks Mr. Angelos....Arggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh !!


You can see them. I watched them play the Braves a few nights ago. They are on channel 20.
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Woohoo!!! "The Redeemed One" will be at the game tonight!!! Go Nats! Everyone else who's going... have fun!!!
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