Here's my take on CBs and the draft: Say the Redskins take a CB with their first pick in the draft.
Either A) The player turns out to be marginal or a dud...or maybe even a good player, but not anything worth the value of a first round pick - a #9 overall pick even. Smoot remember was grabbed in the second round.
Or best case scenario: B) The player turns out to be great. In which case 3, 4, 5, however many years from now when the player reaches their peak, the Redskins would have to pay out their noses to keep the player. Is Cornerback not now the highest paid position in the NFL or at least a close second? In my opinion they are important - but good defenses can compensate for CB deficiencies: Such as....the Patriots. Ty Law wants a zillion dollar contract? Sorry, not happening. The position was so critical to the Patriots success that they simply converted a WR to a starting CB. I'm not saying CBs aren't important, they are, but you have to consider things in the big picture...and I suspect that more than likely the Redskins won't even be taking a CB in the first round.
This is a worthwhile observation. CB are still the highest paid positions. We do need more depth in the secondary however. And having good cover corners allows us to blitz more often and more creatively.
It seems to me that to be a dominant defense you either need a dominant line or a dominant secondary.
We should seriously think about getting ARolle is MWilliams is not there.
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chaddukes wrote:This is a worthwhile observation. CB are still the highest paid positions. We do need more depth in the secondary however. And having good cover corners allows us to blitz more often and more creatively.
It seems to me that to be a dominant defense you either need a dominant line or a dominant secondary.
Chad
Going by what you said then we need to go with a dominant line. Linemen are cheaper.
I don’t care what anyone says, we could have the best CB's in the league on our team and if we don’t have a pass rush they'll get burnt. Look wut happened when we had Champ and Smoot. Champ "the best in the league", Smoot the guy everyone wanted to keep cus he's a core skin got their butts whopped. It wasn't their fault entirely. The success of our 2ndary wasn't due to our CB's last year, it was the scheme. I guarantee that having Springs and Smoot in the defense before Gregg cam here, they would have gotten beat a lot too.
Lets look under a rock and get a great pass rushing DE! No LAVAR IS NOT THE ANSWER! Why? Because he's not a DE, he can't play that role on every down. He'll be less effective. Lavar will be the beast everyone sings about IF we have a decent pass rush WITHOUT HIM! Then! Then when he does rush he'll get to the QB UNSCATHED, along with Bowen, and Springs. That will be bliss. I don’t want to see Lavar get picked up on every blitz. A lot of our blitzes got picked up last year because the o-line could man-up on our dline and they couldn't pressure the QB. We need a linemen who COMMANDS a doubleteam, and leaves a backdoor for Lavar to run through.
If the Browns get a QB, then we should land at least Pac Man or Antrell
EX:
SF: Toss up... Rodgers
Mia: Top RB... say Brown
CLE: if they get a QB, we are set so... Smith
Chi: Edwards
TB: M.Williams
Ten: Antrell or Pac Man
Min: best available player, maybe RB or LB Johnson so lets say DJ
Ari: Green likes Offense so probably top RB, either Benson or Cadillac
Was: whoever Tenn. doesnt get, we do (Antrell or PacMan, preferably Antrell)
I just see the draft shaping out in that sort of structure...
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air_hog wrote:I believe our pick all falls on the Browns.
If the Browns get a QB, then we should land at least Pac Man or Antrell
EX:
SF: Toss up... Rodgers Mia: Top RB... say Brown CLE: if they get a QB, we are set so... Smith Chi: Edwards TB: M.Williams Ten: Antrell or Pac Man Min: best available player, maybe RB or LB Johnson so lets say DJ Ari: Green likes Offense so probably top RB, either Benson or Cadillac Was: whoever Tenn. doesnt get, we do (Antrell or PacMan, preferably Antrell)
I just see the draft shaping out in that sort of structure...
I just am not impressed with Rolle or Pac Man. I've seen Rolle as far down as #21 in some mock drafts. He isn't even listed in some top 30 list.
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Chris Luva Luva wrote: Going by what you said then we need to go with a dominant line. Linemen are cheaper.
I agree. I'd much rather have a dominant line. If you can get pressure with just four guys then you can do so much with your back seven. I'd much rather have a strong D-line. Look at Pittsburgh. Outside of Troy Polamalu they have no one in thier secondary and they seem to do just fine on defense.
My ideal draft scenario would be to get Shawn Merriman in the first and a CB in the 3rd. We dont need a beastly CB but a solid one for depth. We don't want to be in a another situation like last years Dallas game when we couldn't even put a nickel package on the field casue we only had four active DB's.
ATV wrote:Here's my take on CBs and the draft: Say the Redskins take a CB with their first pick in the draft.
Either A) The player turns out to be marginal or a dud...or maybe even a good player, but not anything worth the value of a first round pick - a #9 overall pick even. Smoot remember was grabbed in the second round.
Or best case scenario: B) The player turns out to be great. In which case 3, 4, 5, however many years from now when the player reaches their peak, the Redskins would have to pay out their noses to keep the player. Is Cornerback not now the highest paid position in the NFL or at least a close second? In my opinion they are important - but good defenses can compensate for CB deficiencies: Such as....the Patriots. Ty Law wants a zillion dollar contract? Sorry, not happening. The position was so critical to the Patriots success that they simply converted a WR to a starting CB. I'm not saying CBs aren't important, they are, but you have to consider things in the big picture...and I suspect that more than likely the Redskins won't even be taking a CB in the first round.
Very good observation. This is exactly how I feel. In this day in age we need solid players but not 'superstars' The superstar players demand too much money. I want to trade down from this pick as well get the best DE and then grab the best CB with the pick we pick up.
History shows that the most successful position pick in the first round is CB. First round CB typically perform to a starter's level. I am hopefull for Pac Man, Rolle partnered with Sean Taylor worries me off the field more then on the field.
air_hog wrote:I believe our pick all falls on the Browns.
If the Browns get a QB, then we should land at least Pac Man or Antrell
EX:
SF: Toss up... Rodgers Mia: Top RB... say Brown CLE: if they get a QB, we are set so... Smith Chi: Edwards TB: M.Williams Ten: Antrell or Pac Man Min: best available player, maybe RB or LB Johnson so lets say DJ Ari: Green likes Offense so probably top RB, either Benson or Cadillac Was: whoever Tenn. doesnt get, we do (Antrell or PacMan, preferably Antrell)
I just see the draft shaping out in that sort of structure...
I just am not impressed with Rolle or Pac Man. I've seen Rolle as far down as #21 in some mock drafts. He isn't even listed in some top 30 list.
The kid from Auburn (Rogers) is the best of the three. Fast, good awareness, and a great tackler.
Chad said that we need depth at secondary..do you think we gona use a 9 pick on depth...we need a impact player with a pick like that
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WshSkins22 wrote:Chad said that we need depth at secondary..do you think we gona use a 9 pick on depth...we need a impact player with a pick like that
I also said that my ideal scenario would be us taking Shawn Merriman in the first and getting a CB in the third.
If we were to draft a CB in the first round he would either displace Harris as the 2nd starter of Wilds as the nickel guy. When those guys move down on the depth chart we have created more depth in our secondary.
chaddukes wrote:I also said that my ideal scenario would be us taking Shawn Merriman in the first and getting a CB in the third.
I was going to add my thoughts, but Chad already added them for me....thanks man.
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