Draft Scenario

portis26 · Post by **portis26** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:24 am

Dream Draft:
Rd 1- Trade down and take best CB available, Carlos Rodgers if he's there or Fabian Washington – ran a 4.25
Rd 2- From trading down and get Matt Jones – big playmaker, great speed and hands
Rd 3- Jovan Haye or Chris Canty – speed rushers
Rd 4- From trading Rod Gardner, Robert McCune – very fast MLB, will find his way on the field very quickly
Rd 4- Kay-Jay Harris – power running back, help us in short yardage situations and added depth in case portis gets banged up
Rd 6- Alex Holmes – Blocking TE, we all know we need some more depth at this position
Rd 7- Bryan Randall – great value and has a lot of potential. Brunell will be gone soon and Hasselback reportedly might want out. Plus, if he doesn't make the squad so what.

All of these picks fill needs and in my opinion are not reaches given where these guys are projected to go. If we are wise with our draft picks, we can drastically improve the quality of our team.

USAFSkinFan · Post by **USAFSkinFan** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:48 am

I like your board... I love that you mentioned Bryan Randall... the guy is a super athlete, hard worker, and he accomplished 100 times more than everybody's darling, Matt Jones, ever did... (I know, I know, don't scream... I like Matt Jones too, but not as a developmental back-up QB)

Jeff Rhodes · Post by **Jeff Rhodes** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:57 am

I've had the opportunity to watch Kay-Jay Harris a number of times the past couple of seasons and, while I think he's a talented player, I don't know that he fits the profile of a short-yardage guy. He's got the size, but he's also got some speed and wiggle. More importantly, he doesn't see himself as a between the tackles kind of runner. Like Stephen Davis, it's possible he could develop that ability but it's going to take a couple of seasons. In the meantime you still have problems picking up third and one.

Again, I'm not saying he's not a good player, but at this point in his career he's essentially a younger Ladell Betts -- and we already have one of those.

vife · Post by **vife** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:24 am

We dont' need another running back. We might as well take another position

USAFSkinFan · Post by **USAFSkinFan** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:40 am

Jeff Rhodes wrote:I've had the opportunity to watch Kay-Jay Harris a number of times the past couple of seasons and, while I think he's a talented player, I don't know that he fits the profile of a short-yardage guy. He's got the size, but he's also got some speed and wiggle. More importantly, he doesn't see himself as a between the tackles kind of runner. Like Stephen Davis, it's possible he could develop that ability but it's going to take a couple of seasons. In the meantime you still have problems picking up third and one.

Again, I'm not saying he's not a good player, but at this point in his career he's essentially a younger Ladell Betts -- and we already have one of those.

You know Joe would love to have a short yardage/goal line guy though... you could see those situations drove him nuts last year...

Pudgeman37 · Post by **Pudgeman37** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:02 pm

I love your reasoning, probably that is the scenario we could face. I do not think we are going to get a RB. We are set in that position. In the later rounds, expect to go O-line for some reason other than depth. So, I think we should focus on SD and get their last two picks, if the rumor is true that SD is trading Rivers. The Redskins, could get more draft picks and continue to trigger down. This could be a deal-maker.

portis26 · Post by **portis26** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:43 pm

How are we set at RB? We couldn't convert any short yardage situations last year and gibbs' system takes its toll on a smaller back like Portis as the season goes on. Betts is our only other option. I think it would be smart to add depth and have a guy who can come in and get that tough yar.

doctordrew · Post by **doctordrew** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:38 pm

portis26 wrote: "How are we set at RB?"

We are set a RB with respect to all other positions. We are very deep here. Betts is a very strong backup who runs hard. We also have Cartwright who proved himseld two years ago. Chad Morton is there for a speed/3rd and long back. And John Simon is very good for a 4th string back. We couldn't convert on 3rd and short last year in a large part due to our offensive line. Friedman and Raymer couldn't get a solid push off in the center.

vife · Post by **vife** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:40 pm

We have lots of running backs as the doctor says. We just resigned john simons this year too. Betts had a strong showing last year and portis should be better after a year of learning gibb's system. morton, even though i don't like him as a running back, is another option too.

Jeff Rhodes · Post by **Jeff Rhodes** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:51 pm

I'm OK with Portis backed up by Bettis, and Simon and Morton are serviceable third-down backs who offer something on special teams. Cartwright showed a big heart two seasons ago but contributed very little last year. If you could find a one-dimensional fullback in the late rounds to carry the ball in short-yardage situations, I'd support replacing Rock.

The fourth round is a little early for someone like that, though and, getting back to the original thread, Kay-Jay Harris isn't cut out for that role anyway.

vife · Post by **vife** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:05 pm

I like Cartwright. I think he just needs a chance. Alot better than Trung could ever be.

Hog Heaven · Post by **Hog Heaven** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:41 pm

I love Rock, but he doesnt fit in our system. He can't play H-back because of his size. As a RB, we have so many others, that he'd never see the field... and he definately wont be the big bruser ya'll are looking for for short yardage. I'd say keep him around as a special teams player/ 4th RB and let Simon go. Whatever we do with Rock, we do need a short yardage guy.

As for the rest of the draft board, I love the Randal pick =D>

! I've been hoping we would look at taking him. I don't know that we can trade down to get a #2, but we may still get a 2 or 3 for Gardner [-o<

. I'd like to get matt jones, but not with a #2. Thats to high for someone who has not proven himself at his projected position. And the idea of a spped rusher is a waste. We have lots of young guys at DE who are situational players. We need an everydown DE. I doubt one will be available this late, but if so take him. If not, lets look at a possesion WR.

Skins_fan_for_life · Post by **Skins_fan_for_life** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:43 am

Well, this is my firt post.

So, looking at Mel Kiper's draft scenario - I like it a lot. Although I know we need a corner, I think this will suit us better on offense:

1. SF: Alex Smith
2. Miami: Ronnie Brown
3. Browns: Aaron Rodgers
4. Bears: Cedric Benson
5. Bucs: Carnell Williams
6. Titans: PacMan Jones
7. Vikings: Braylon Edwards
8. Cardinals: Derrick Johnson
9. Skins: Mike Williams

fredp45 · Post by **fredp45** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:21 pm

Portis --

Everyone went off on the RB thing...while I like what Matt Jones can offer, I don't believe I'd draft him in the 2nd round. I would take him with a 3rd round pick. A guy switching positions is very risky...I don't believe we go risky in the 2nd round. If we trade down as you indicated, we must get 2 guys that will play.

How about TE Alex Smith 6'5" 255 from Stanford in the 2nd round instead? He was a TE in college so he isn't as risky. If we don't take a TE in the 2nd, see if we can get Jones as a 3rd rounder.

I wonder if we'd be better off with a DE in the first round (after trade down), a cb in the second and a WR in the 3rd...because -- the draft is very deep in CBs and not as deep in DE's this year.

portis26 · Post by **portis26** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:30 pm

I think Matt Jones would be a bigger weapon outside as a WR more so than he would be inside as a TE. Imagine a 6'6 and 1/4" WR with 4.39 speed up against 5'10" CB. Plus, this guy can catch. Just throw it up to him he would win the jump ball everytime. Thats what this offense needs!!!

94heritagesofttail · Post by **94heritagesofttail** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:08 pm

i agree the draft is much deeper at corner than de. in this senario, i would like de first, reciever second, cb third, mlb fourth, guard fourth, c and dt for 6 and 7 rounds.
sick of our lines being ignored, dl should be a priority the next 3 years, offensive line the next 2 years.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:13 pm

portis26 wrote:I think Matt Jones would be a bigger weapon outside as a WR more so than he would be inside as a TE. Imagine a 6'6 and 1/4" WR with 4.39 speed up against 5'10" CB. Plus, this guy can catch. Just throw it up to him he would win the jump ball everytime. Thats what this offense needs!!!

The more I read on Jones the more I love the kid! I think that he is going to be something special and Chris Mortensen seams to agree. Mort just raves on Jones in this artical:
http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/draft05/co ... id=2025109
See I'm learning, no new post. Now let's see if anyone reads this!

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:18 pm

The only problem with Jones, is how do we really know he catches everything?

He played receiver in high school and then at the Senior Bowl and then whatever pass catching he does in workouts.....not sure you can say he is a lock, stock and barrell dominent wide receiver.

He has played receiver for scouts in venues in which he was there trying to impress scouts. Just curious if he can do it with consistency once the scouts have been impressed. Otherwise we got a big, fast decoy.

Hog Heaven · Post by **Hog Heaven** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:38 am

94heritagesofttail wrote:i agree the draft is much deeper at corner than de. in this senario, i would like de first, reciever second, cb third, mlb fourth, guard fourth, c and dt for 6 and 7 rounds.
sick of our lines being ignored, dl should be a priority the next 3 years, offensive line the next 2 years.

Our O-line is set. The only place with room for improvement is Dockery, but he's young and ok, lets see what he does after a little more time with Coach Bugal

hogred · Post by **hogred** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:32 am

This is how my Dream Draft would go:

1- David Pollack,DE ( Mike Williams will be gone)

3- Matt Jones,WR or Vincent Jackson,WR

4-Ronald Bartell,CB or Antonio Perkins,CB

6- Sione Pouha,DT or Victor Sesay,TE

7- Lionel Turner,MLB or Cody Campbell,G

fredp45 · Post by **fredp45** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 11:40 am

hogred...

Pollack can be had with a late 1st rounder...I'd rather have Merriman with our 9th pick. Could live with Jones with our 3rd rounder.

Bartell with our 4th rounder would be good, he'll probably be gone by then though.

hogred · Post by **hogred** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:38 pm

Fredp45 wrote:

Pollack can be had with a late 1st rounder...I'd rather have Merriman with our 9th pick. Could live with Jones with our 3rd rounder.

Bartell with our 4th rounder would be good, he'll probably be gone by then though.

I didn't factor in trading down which I would assume we would do for Pollack. I think he's a bigger play maker than Merriman. When Pollacks around the ball something good is going to happen..

I'm just hoping Bartell will be there. I wish we could trade Gardner for a third round pick and get Bartell earlier.