Terri Schiavo

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 10:38 am

With everything that has been going on surrounding Terri, my heart and prayers go out to her and her family. It is truly a shame that so much turmoil surrounds her inevitable passing. I can't begin to think what my life would be like if a loved one of mine were to go through the same ordeal as her and her family.

I'm not the most pious person around, but tonight I will surely say a prayer for her and her family.

EasyMoney · Post by **EasyMoney** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 8:26 pm

I just had a huge heated debate about this. Because this is in the appropriate forum and because no one seems to want to talk about it, I'm going to comment. I think this entire thing is a bunch of garbage. How is she benefitting from any of this? The only reason she was kept alive was purely for the emotional well-being of her family. I think that's horrible. I'm all about the pursuit of happiness but not at the expense of others. She has no opinion. She cannot formulate an opinion. She hated the media attention and now that it's reached this level I'm pretty sure she'd just end it. Is starving her to death right? No. Is keeping someone alive "ok" because it makes you happier? Also no. I hate to use this as an example but we do give our pets this courtesy do we not? We put them out of their misery when things get too bad. No, I'd rather not start a human rights discussion here but in a round about way it's a similiar situation. Pets depend on us to live. She depends on others to live. If your dog or cat laid motionless on the ground and had to be fed through a tube what would you do? You put the pet down. That's humane. Why this has been deemed inhumane because it's a human is beyond me. I'm pretty sure that most people would rather not burden the lives of friends and family if we could not take care of ourselves. If you did want that how self absorbed and selfish are you? That's how I feel about it. There are holes in my logic, I know. All of this just doesn't make sense to me.

Tom C · Post by **Tom C** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:15 pm

I know I shouldn't comment on this but, I will. I've followed this one closely on several boards and it's a tough thing. I don't see any devil or heroes in this whole mess. It should've been a private thing.

After reading hundreds of people’s opinion on this, I've never seen a single person say if they were in this condition, they would want to fight on after so many years. I haven't seen anyone say, I don't care if I am a vegetable, keep my protoplasm going, display me all over network and cable TV.

Not one person.

So why is it so hard for some people to believe that the husband who no one likes, might believe he is doing the right thing for her?

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:51 pm

i agree with these last two post. it's over at that point. there is nothing to look foward to if you have to be moved in your sleep twice a day to prevent bed sores.

some people will play the religeous card and say thou shalt not kill, i'll play the tax payers card and say thou shalt not keep alive at the expense of john q taxpayer. pull the tube. if she wakes up and says i'm hungry, then feed her. if she lays there dead to the world other than a heartbeat, then passes, so be it.

they don't call me evil hog for nothing.... My 2 cents

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 10:31 pm

Actually, we did talk about it in the "Whose Call Is It".
The problem is, it's such a sensitive topic that people have a hard time controlling their emotions when an opposing viewpoint pops up. Two guys headed over to smack about it.
I'm reserving my opinion, because it's really not my problem. Those people down there are forever at opposite tables.
The only person who pays the price won't be paying much longer, anyway.

washington53 · Post by **washington53** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 11:05 pm

You i think we are all saying that they should just pull the chord, that she doesnt feel and shes a vegetable... But they said that some part of her brain is still alive.. Scientifically she cant respond but she is stil alive. When i first read about this i said pull the plug put her out of her misery. But we dont know, maybe she is happy the way she is right now. Some people say that she is suffering and she cant feel.. Maybe she can feel maybe this feels good fo her. This case should have been something private between the husband and the parents. I think it is very stupid to take such and emotional ad private thing and tell the whole world about it. I think its wrong. And finally we all say pull the chord... But agian none of us have never seen someone we love in this situation, we don't know what we would do. I think right now we would be like yeah ofcoarse we would do this and that... But it all comes down to the point when you see that person you love in such a state.

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 11:13 pm

tcwest10 wrote:Two guys headed over to smack about it.

Actually, no. Just one guy headed to smack.

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:07 am

You know.....I really didn't intend to start this thread as a "debate" or discussion on the value of the decisions made. Can't we all just support the family and wish them well through this ordeal?

wormer · Post by **wormer** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:36 pm

Life is defined by consciousness, by perception, by cognition, by emotions, by relationships, by behavior and by biology.

In her case, there's only one component there that would signify that there is some life there, and that is biology. And moreover, it's autonomic nervous system that we're looking at.

You know, you can take a human heart out. You give it the right nutrition and it can beat for a long time. That doesn't mean it's living. That's not the definition of life.

--Deepak Chopra

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:51 pm

Personally, if I am ever in a coma, I want the doc to ask me if I want to be kept alive, and if I can't answer and there is no possible hope for recovery, than take my lack of an answer as a no.

Texas Hog · Post by **Texas Hog** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:15 pm

JansenFan wrote:Personally, if I am ever in a coma, I want the doc to ask me if I want to be kept alive, and if I can't answer and there is no possible hope for recovery, than take my lack of an answer as a no.

I'm not sure this will suffice as a living will.

NikiH · Post by **NikiH** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:22 pm

Well JF in that case the decision would be mine and you know what I'd decide. Sorry! :-(

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 9:46 pm

Justice Hog wrote:You know.....I really didn't intend to start this thread as a "debate" or discussion on the value of the decisions made. Can't we all just support the family and wish them well through this ordeal?

If that were possible, there wouldn't be such an uproar over the case. Face it, this isn't one of your "Delaware Convenience Store" deals.. Don't bother mentioning her name if you want to "micromanage" the topic. You're peeing in the wind. It's too hot a potato.
What were you looking for ? Sobs and heaves ?

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:17 pm

No tc. I was just looking for a little compassion....instead of debate. I have no clue what you mean by "Delaware Convenience Store" deals. I'll try not take offense to that because I'm not sure it was meant to cause offense.

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:02 pm

I was referring to the case you just prosecuted, although I may have gotten the actual crime mixed up with another of the posts from way back. Either way, my feeling was this: Guy shoots a guy, gets caught...it makes the papers, but the emotion is mainly left to those directly affected. At least for me, it is.
This thing here ? With the girl in the hospital ? It's a hotspot, man. People see the wan smile, the grieving parents, the adamant husband...it's too much. At work, the slightest mention of the case pits one side of the room against the other. It's impossible to just have a topic for well-wishes. Heck, we couldn't even agree on whose call it was to let her live or die.
It's one of those topics that I'm more than sure you've seen before. It's too touchy.
Let me put it this way. To me, it'd be almost like saying, "Can't we have a little compassion for the families of Nicole and Ron without getting into a debate over who killed 'em ?"
Impossible, and you can't blame the guys and girls for wanting to get their two cents in over it.

welch · Post by **welch** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:13 am

As I said in the first thread:

- logic and evidence -- EEG's etc -- tells me that she has lost the rational part of her brain. All that is left is the brain stem.

- something in my heart keeps popping up each day to be happy that she is still alive.

- Heart contradicts head. That's life.

- I wish her family, both husband and parents, could find some peace and comfort in all this mess. If it were my daughter, given that her eyes are open, I would fight as hard as her parents to keep her alive. Knowing that it is hopeless, and wondering if I was doing right for her.

- it seems as though husband and parents are irreversibly split. I suspect the neither will ever be at peace with this.
I wish they could.

- when my mother was dying of lung cancer, I kept thinking, "We treat our pets better than we do ourselves." (If anyone smokes, I will describe a lung-cancer death, and hope that it scares you into stopping...). I don't know the underlying thinking of the law here, but it seems more humane to increase her dose of morphine as she gets thinner. Treat the pain, however far down below where her consciousness used to be.

[edited for spelling]

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:14 am

Now, JH, I believe compassion is in order.

This morning, Terri Schiavo lost the battle to forced starvation and dehydration. :cry:

R.I.P Terri Schiavo

Strength and encouragement to the Schiavo family, those who were affected by the Schiavo ordeal, and those who might be affected by the rulings in this case in the future.

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:23 am

http://www.delawareonline.com/updates/TerriSchiavodie.html

RIP Terri. You're in a better place now.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:17 pm

It's a sad passing. Messy circumstances, media hype, political garbage, all around suffering. RIP Terri.

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:37 pm

She's at peace now, whether you believe in a "better place" or not. Unfortunately for the rest of us, the media flap over this is not over. And who knows the the reprocussions of the Congress getting involved in individual medical decisions will be.

trey53 · Post by **trey53** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:05 pm

All death is sad. But it is a part of life. Regardless of the circumstances surrounding the situation my heart goes out to her family in their grief, including her husband who had to make that difficult decision.

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:08 pm

I'm Photoshopping her head to the Pope right now... I'll have it up in a minute....

trey53 · Post by **trey53** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:40 pm

...and then there is always black comedy...

You're priceless BTP.

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:47 pm

trey53 wrote:...and then there is always black comedy...

You're priceless BTP.

Actually, no. The post was worth about My 2 cents

, give or take 2 pennies.

But, should we expect any less?

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:52 pm

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:
trey53 wrote:...and then there is always black comedy...

You're priceless BTP.

Actually, no. The post was worth about , give or take 2 pennies.

But, should we expect any less?

don't be jealous.... I'll photoshop your ugly mug to the pope to when your time comes to meet Sata... um.. I mean, the Lord....

I just need you to send me a pic..