Who are the malcontents?

owa · Post by **owa** » Sun Jan 25, 2004 3:18 am

Who are the malcontents mentioned in the Washington Post article?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43288-2004Jan23.html

The article mentions what Gibbs had relayed earlier about some players not returning his calls but it also goes on to say that those players are unhappy. It reports that they have contacted Hue Jackson but not Gibbs. I guess they felt like he should have been retained.

Anyway, anyone know who these players are? This is a little disturbing since it seems like things may not get off on the right foot. Personally, I hope he cleans house no matter who it is.

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:31 am

The article seems to imply that the player(s) were receivers...

We already know McCants has talked to Gibbs, so it isn't him, and judging what we sw out of Coles last year in terms of team spirit... it'd be totally out of character for him too.

That leaves Russell, Jacobs, Gardner and Johnson.

... Gardner got to keep playing no matter how many balls he dropped... he'd be my first guess. P.Johnson seemed unhappy to even be a Redskin LAST YEAR when jake and I talked to him at camp, and there have already been rumors of him going off to Tampa... so he'd be my second guess... and Jacobs has obvious ties to Florida and therefore to the old regime, so he'd be my third guess.

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:47 am

I don't mean to go off-topic, but since it's already been mentioned...
How do you NOT return a call from Joe Gibbs ?

ANT7088 · Post by **ANT7088** » Sun Jan 25, 2004 11:17 am

Most of our player had to do this almost every year, it gets played out getting a new coach every year. Anyway this is BS, when guys don't show up for mini-camp then it's worth talking about, players are on vacation, with there family's...etc. We usually have good mini-camps and everyone usually shows up. The season has not even ended yet, we have more to worry about then phone calls.

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Sun Jan 25, 2004 11:58 am

I agree with BH. I really doubt that McCants and Coles are the guys dismissing the phone calls.

I also agree with ANT that this is being blown out of proportion too much.

If these players don't show up to the 1st camp..then starting babblnig about it. If they don't, Gibbs will probably show them to door anyway!

gibbsfan · Post by **gibbsfan** » Sun Jan 25, 2004 4:06 pm

Justice Hog wrote:I agree with BH. I really doubt that McCants and Coles are the guys dismissing the phone calls.

I also agree with ANT that this is being blown out of proportion too much.

If these players don't show up to the 1st camp..then starting babblnig about it. If they don't, Gibbs will probably show them to door anyway!

the media seems to bring up bigger stories than it,s lead on to be. joe gibbs will get his type of players in there if it means cleaning house once more .so those who feel that way then they can play elsewhere.

NikiH · Post by **NikiH** » Sun Jan 25, 2004 5:23 pm

This whole thing bothers me. Does it seem Gibbs thinks them not returning calls is a big deal or this reporter is making it seem that way. How many of us would return a call right away in the middle of our vacation. This is really a vacation for them. So I'd agree with the others. Let it be until it's time for mini camp.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Jan 25, 2004 5:53 pm

Gibbs mentioned that it wasn't that big a deal and when he initially mentioned it, I figured it was just tough to get a hold of people that are essentially on vacation. But, this latest article indicated players were unhappy so I was just curious if the players had actually been mentioned somewhere and I just missed it. Like BH mentioned, it seemed to me that it was probably receivers but I couldn't think of anyone that would be unhappy about the situation. On defense, you had guys being vocal about the DC and wanting him to stay. I don't remember much being said by the offense so the article caught me by surprise.

Anyway, thanks for the responses.

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 1:05 am

i definantly think gibbs will remember who is unhappy and dosen't want to be here around final cut down date. i've had a few new employers, and i knew how to act right off the bat. as a current employer, when i look for new help, first impression is everything. if i sense a guy dosen't want to work hard, truth be known, he probably dosen't. does the media blow stuff out of context....yes. but, if its true, it is already noted at this point who has made an effort to be part of the solution, and not part of the problem..... My 2 cents

ANT7088 · Post by **ANT7088** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 1:06 am

One more point-Our coaching staff isn't complete, everyone knows that Gibbs is totally concentrating on his staff. I bet as soon as he finishs we will never hear about this again. Like you guys said "who wouldn't return gibbs' phone calls"????

redskins56 · Post by **redskins56** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:57 am

I agree with seemingly everything that has been said in this thread thus far. And while I agree that Laveranues may very well have been one of the most team oriented players in the lockerroom, I have one small thought...

I know, and have heard from many places, that Coles was one of Spurrier's "pets." I've heard that Coles would often hang around Spurrier at the park, and even go places with him during down time. Aside from that, I heard that Coles' bond with Hue Jackson was one of the strongest of any player, and even saw at camp, that he and Coles spent a lot of time toghether.

I highly doubt LC would disrepspect someone of Gibbs' stature, and I think he would be one of the last options to not return his call. But that is just a little inshight. He is a WR, and he had stong ties with the OBC, and especailly with Hue... At one point he even said he wouldn't mind playing under Hue as a head coach...

-Geepz
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skinsfaninroanoke · Post by **skinsfaninroanoke** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 3:00 am

There may hve been something else too - he may have been learning or devising tweaks or developing his knowledge of the game moreso than sucking up. I just don't see the guy I heard time after time in interviews being a teacher's pet. He was team oriented, played for 12 weeks on a broken foot, talked up the team, and you could see real disappointment without bitterness in his face. I felt real good about him.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 8:22 am

I've said this once I'll say it again. The thing that impressed me most about LC was I never heard him cry for the ball. In this day of "Just throw me the damn ball" LC was a breathe of fresh air at the WR spot for the Skins

redskins56 · Post by **redskins56** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:46 am

YOUR PREACHEN TO THE CHOIR... If we had 11 LC's we wouldn't lose...

-geepz
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gibbsfan · Post by **gibbsfan** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 11:52 am

hailskins666 wrote:i definantly think gibbs will remember who is unhappy and dosen't want to be here around final cut down date. i've had a few new employers, and i knew how to act right off the bat. as a current employer, when i look for new help, first impression is everything. if i sense a guy dosen't want to work hard, truth be known, he probably dosen't. does the media blow stuff out of context....yes. but, if its true, it is already noted at this point who has made an effort to be part of the solution, and not part of the problem.....

well those are the ones that will not be here on 2004!
joe gibbs will not tolerate it period!!!!!!!!

newshog · Post by **newshog** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 12:04 pm

i've had a few new employers, and i knew how to act right off the bat.

Me, too--but I have to say, it would never, ever have crossed my mind to call my new boss to say, "Welcome!" I would just wait until the next time I was scheduled to be in the office and be sure to stop in and say hello and welcome. I'd almost be concerned about appearing like a suck-up if I called in.

And for these guys, that "next time" is once they start the offseason training (assuming they do so at Redskins Park).

Anyway, I also think Boswell is blowing this out of proportion. For all we know, the player in question DID call Hue, but just to wish him luck--and then hasn't yet had the opportunity to talk to Joe for the reasons mentioned above. As is so often the case, we don't really know the story.