Yet another reason to hate Philly

[skins81]

Classy town

Vikings fans take a beating in Philly, too
Paul Levy, Star Tribune
January 17, 2005


PHILADELPHIA -- Rough game. But maybe a rougher crowd.
The Minnesota Vikings lost to the Philadelphia Eagles 27-14 Sunday -- ending the Vikings' playoff hopes and season. But all the mother of Vikings lineman Chris Liwienski could talk about was how she and her family were physically abused by fans in the upper deck of Lincoln Financial Field.
Wearing one of her son's purple Vikings jerseys, Marie Hoppe said she was pushed repeatedly by hostile Philadelphia fans. Her daughter-in-law, Christina Liwienski, said she was hit in the head by a plastic beer bottle.
"We were warned that Philadelphia fans would be rough, the worst in the league, and my son begged me not to wear this jersey," said Hoppe, of suburban Detroit. "Fans are supposed to come to games, not thugs. But these people had their hands on me constantly.
"What are these people doing at sporting events like this?"
The announced crowd of 67,722 seemed determined to enhance a well-earned reputation as the National Football League's crudest. But the Eagles -- the top seed and class of the National Football Conference -- didn't really need any extra help against a Vikings team that finished the season 9-9 and looked every bit like the conference's lowest playoff seed.
With Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb dissecting the Minnesota secondary early and passing for two touchdowns, and facing a tough Philadelphia defense, the Vikings looked very much like a team that lost four of its final five regular season games and not like a team that upset the Packers in Green Bay in the playoffs' first round.
"Giving up 21 points in the first half doesn't help," Vikings cornerback Antoine Winfield said.
Obnoxious and hostile
The Vikings offered their fans hope when quarterback Daunte Culpepper's 7-yard touchdown run in the second quarter cut the Eagles' lead to 14-7.
"We still have a chance," Marie Hoppe said during the third quarter.
But she and her family had long given up on the Eagles fans. Joe Liwienski, Chris' 22-year-old brother, said he attended the "basketbrawl" game in Auburn Hills, Mich., where members of the Indiana Pacers exchanged punches with Detroit Pistons fans.
"This was 10 times worse," he said.
"The fans were obnoxious," Chris Liwienski said from the Vikings locker room. "They were chanting stuff to Randy [Moss] throughout the game. You expect that, but you don't expect them to abuse people in the stands trying to enjoy the game."
The few fans who came to the game wearing Vikings purple were greeted by a boisterous and hostile crowd that began sharpening their fangs in parking lots near the stadium at 6 a.m., presumably stirring their alcoholic beverages with rusty nails.
Mike Hughes, 39, of Excelsior, wearing a purple Randy Moss jersey on his back and his heart on his sleeve, walked right through the Eagles crowd that hurled obscenities and promised to throw even more at him.
"Batteries," he said. "They're threatening to throw batteries.
"I went to all but three Vikings road games this year," Hughes said. "I can tell you that Green Bay is nothing like this."
Scott Bain, 33, also wearing a Moss jersey, said he "never felt so lonely" as he walked briskly through a parking lot crowded with Eagles fans chanting obscenities and holding "Jacksonville or Bust" signs.
"We had upper deck seats, but we got so many warnings about what might happen to us that we sold them and bought club level seats on the street," said Bain, formerly of Anoka and now a lawyer in Washington, D.C. "We were told it was safer there."
Said Steve Beckman, 47, of New Brighton, in a well-worn (but not yet battered) Moss jersey: "They warned us not to wear this attire, but we didn't listen. I even rode the subway here.
"They told us that if the Vikings win, we'd better take a cab home, for our own protection."
"We still better watch out for batteries," said Jimmy Bahnson, 22, of Fridley, wearing a Culpepper jersey.
Philadelphia, which has lost the three previous conference title games, will try again next Sunday against Atlanta.
"How many disappointments can Philadelphia fans take?" asked John Groses, 74, of Media, Pa.
"This city's been through hell with its sports teams," said Tom Jones, of Milton, Del., whose bus is painted Eagles green, has Eagles logos in every window and has become a pregame meeting place for Eagles cheerleaders, fans and anyone looking for a photo opportunity or to commiserate.
"We gear ourselves up for these games, but the worst has happened so many times."
The worst happened in the upper deck, in the corner of the end zone, Chris Liwienski said.
"I tried to warn them," he said of his family. "It's like these fans have hit a new low."
Paul Levy is at plevy@startribune.com.

[Brandon777]

Philly fans are the scum of the earth and do not deserve a championship.

[General Failure]

Amazing. Someone was hit in the head with a bottle in a stadium where they don't even let you have bottles. Someone must'a snuck it in just to throw at a Vikings fan.

[Primetime42]

Amazing. Someone was hit in the head with a bottle in a stadium where they don't even let you have bottles. Someone must'a snuck it in just to throw at a Vikings fan.

That'd be my guess

[General Failure]

Well, they don't really pat down your crotch as well as they should when they let you in, so I guess you could hide a bottle there. Or keister it.

[Primetime42]

Well, they don't really pat down your crotch as well as they should when they let you in, so I guess you could hide a bottle there. Or keister it.

Well, all they do in any stadium is just frisk your sleeves and possibly your shirt, but that's about it.

And if they do frisk you deeper in Philly, I shudder to think where they'd hide the bottles.

[General Failure]

We all need our cheap thrills. Some people like watching the chubby chick flash the tailgaters from the top of a van, some people like manhandling guys at the gate.

[John Manfreda]

That city is scum, not only do they not deserve a championship, they don't even deserve a team.

[Redskin in Canada]

"We were warned that Philadelphia fans would be rough, the worst in the league, ..."
The announced crowd of 67,722 seemed determined to enhance a well-earned reputation as the National Football League's crudest.
"It's like these fans have hit a new low."

Anybody that has had the distinct pleasure to rub shoulders with P. fans knows very well from first experience that these are at most isolated incidents. If true at all, they are exceptions which do not reflect the rich sportsmanlike tradition of decency and respect of Philly fans for the game and fans of other teams.

These are totally unfair characterisations and big exagerations spread by the media among the entire NFL to tarnish the clean and pure reputation of this grand team and the image of its fans.

Batteries, bottles, pushing, blows, insults, and verbal assaults? Lies! All lies! We all know about it.

Fans of all opposing teams are simply envious of the great success of P. fans. There is a conspiracy theory in the entire NFL against them.

Sincerely,

Die Hard
Concrete Field

[Redskin in Canada]

That city is scum, not only do they not deserve a championship, they don't even deserve a team.

Sorry to disagree. It is only the Philthy fans. You do not even see that kind of behaviour in baseball, basketball or hockey games there. I know some good people in Philly. We even have a few fans there. The City and its people are not at fault. It is the Eagles fans. They just scrap the bottom of the barrel to fill in the stadium. That's all.

[NC43Hog]

PHILADELPHIA --
"This city's been through hell with its sports teams," said Tom Jones, of Milton, Del., whose bus is painted Eagles green, has Eagles logos in every window and has become a pregame meeting place for Eagles cheerleaders, fans and anyone looking for a photo opportunity or to commiserate.
"We gear ourselves up for these games, but the worst has happened so many times."

It's called Karma.

I happen to love Philly - just not the obnoxious Eagles fans. GF, I am sure you are a complete gentlemen during the games so you are excluded.

[Clinton Portis]

How classless and disrespectful. No wonder they have a jail in the stadium .

[skins81]

That city is scum, not only do they not deserve a championship, they don't even deserve a team.

Sorry to disagree. It is only the Philthy fans. You do not even see that kind of behaviour in baseball, basketball or hockey games there. I know some good people in Philly. We even have a few fans there. The City and its people are not at fault. It is the Eagles fans. They just scrap the bottom of the barrel to fill in the stadium. That's all.

Can't say I agree with you about it only being Iggles fans, Canada. I went to a Sunday Fan appreciation day Flyers vs. Thrashers game last year at the FU center. Sunday afternoon, family, kids, giveaways, good times right? Wrong. Two fights right around me. One in my section. Good image for the kids at the game. "This is how you throw a sucker punch, Jhonny"

[welch]

I was just about to ask if anyone had noticed goon-like behavior by Flyers "fans".

(Oh, and Rangers fans can be special when all gathered at MSG. A sharp contrast to the fans of the other two teams in the NY area. Meadowlands <multi-named> Arena and Nasssau Coll. usually draw reasonable people.)

[Primetime42]

"We were warned that Philadelphia fans would be rough, the worst in the league, ..."
The announced crowd of 67,722 seemed determined to enhance a well-earned reputation as the National Football League's crudest.
"It's like these fans have hit a new low."

Anybody that has had the distinct pleasure to rub shoulders with P. fans knows very well from first experience that these are at most isolated incidents. If true at all, they are exceptions which do not reflect the rich sportsmanlike tradition of decency and respect of Philly fans for the game and fans of other teams.

These are totally unfair characterisations and big exagerations spread by the media among the entire NFL to tarnish the clean and pure reputation of this grand team and the image of its fans.

Batteries, bottles, pushing, blows, insults, and verbal assaults? Lies! All lies! We all know about it.

Fans of all opposing teams are simply envious of the great success of P. fans. There is a conspiracy theory in the entire NFL against them.

Sincerely,

Die Hard
Concrete Field

I'm sorry I had to laugh at this?

Envious of the great success of P. Fans? Conspiracy theory?

I happen to room with a Philly fan (from just outside the city) who defies the stereotype, but he's told me plenty of stories of fans who not only accept the label "Philthy" but embrace it.

It's not all of them...but there's a lot of those classless jerks out there...

[Brandon777]

I posted this story last year but I'll do it again. My friend's uncle is a Packer fan who lives in PA. He and a friend of his went to a pre-season Eagle's game. He was wearing his Packer gear. He and his friend were cussed at and called names. People threw drinks at them. He was telling me that the Eagles won the game and the fans were still harassing them and picking fights afterwards. Justice Hog has some stories about that sewer the Eagles play in.

[redskindave]

I dont need anymore reasons to hate Philly, They are just garbage and make me sick!

[General Failure]

GF, I am sure you are a complete gentlemen during the games so you are excluded.

I like to conserve my energy for celebrating and my voice for the opposing offense. Doing such evil things like calling someone really mean names like doody head isn't really my thing.

[Redskin in Canada]

Envious of the great success of P. Fans? Conspiracy theory?

Oh yeah!

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic. ... 7bc#109906

[Primetime42]

I don't get it

[Redskin in Canada]

Follow this thread:
http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic. ... d8653a27bc

[Justice Hog]

Anybody that has had the distinct pleasure to rub shoulders with P. fans knows very well from first experience that these are at most isolated incidents. If true at all, they are exceptions which do not reflect the rich sportsmanlike tradition of decency and respect of Philly fans for the game and fans of other teams.

These are totally unfair characterisations and big exagerations spread by the media among the entire NFL to tarnish the clean and pure reputation of this grand team and the image of its fans.

Batteries, bottles, pushing, blows, insults, and verbal assaults? Lies! All lies! We all know about it.

Fans of all opposing teams are simply envious of the great success of P. fans. There is a conspiracy theory in the entire NFL against them.

This is such crap!! As a Redskins fan who has a attended a Philly game flying my colors, I can tell you that this is the NORM!!!! ALL OF THE FANS are like this...with very few exceptions.

This is why God will look down upon the Eagles and their scum-bag fans and decree "THOU SHALT NOT EVER WIN A SUPER BOWL!!"

[Primetime42]

This is why God will look down upon the Eagles and their scum-bag fans and decree "THOU SHALT NOT EVER WIN A SUPER BOWL!!"

This part alone makes my day

[Redskin in Canada]

This is such crap!! As a Redskins fan who has a attended a Philly game flying my colors, I can tell you that this is the NORM!!!! ALL OF THE FANS are like this...with very few exceptions.

Are you serious? You mean to say that you have rubbed shoulders with them and it was NOT a pleasure?

Sheeeeeesh!!! I wonder why?

For the information of some who have not witnessed similar posts in the past, the guy in the photo is Die Hard. He actually is a poster in Concrete Field, the Eagles Fan2Fan website managed by General Failure.

There have been countless stories about similar quasi-criminal actions and terrible behaviour by Eagles fans in the past. The post was a sarcastic comment on the arguments made at different times by various P. fans in this and other websites in the past.

If you noted, the post is signed by "Die Hard".

[John Manfreda]

That city is scum, not only do they not deserve a championship, they don't even deserve a team.

Sorry to disagree. It is only the Philthy fans. You do not even see that kind of behaviour in baseball, basketball or hockey games there. I know some good people in Philly. We even have a few fans there. The City and its people are not at fault. It is the Eagles fans. They just scrap the bottom of the barrel to fill in the stadium. That's all.

Are you joking, there minor league hockey games there are worse. Its at all sporting events. Phillies throwing batteries at JD Drew. Flyers there just as animalistic. Its philly in general not just the Eagles games. You can disagree, but your dead wrong, I know a lot of people in Philly. And my friends and brother have lived in Philly, but what would they know.