The Core Redskins

Scottskins · Post by **Scottskins** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:37 am

JPM36 wrote:I consider the "core" guys to be the guys we build around. The foundation of the team.

Sean Taylor was the 5th overall pick in last year's draft and had an outstanding rookie season, establishing himself as a punishing hitter with way above average cover skills. He might also be one of the 5 best athletes in the entire NFL. Sure he looked a little green from time to time but what rookie doesnt?

To say he isn't a core guy on this team is ridiculous.

And Shawn Springs should be on everyones list too. He became the 3rd player in NFL history to lead a team in picks and sacks and did so on a defense that was ranked #2 in the NFL. He also shut down the immortal Terrell Owens not once but twice this year (with Taylor's help of course) He is definitely part of the Redskins foundation.

the only way for me to debate you on this issue is that I think Gibbs means core as in a guy who will be on the team the next 10 years. A good, consistent, solid team guy. This is no given for Sean Taylor. I can easily see Sean going the way of Bailey and likely Smoot. Before the season even started, he was bitching about his contract. This may not turn out to be the real Sean, but we don't know that. Until he starts showing signs of maturity and loyalty, we won't be able to tell if he's a core guy or not.

Also, Springs is a borderline core guy to me. I think he probably is, but I don't know enough about his work ethic and attitude to determine that. As far as I can tell, he is a core guy though.

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:40 am

Core = Hard-Working, Giving 100%, Positive Attitude and staying on the team for a lengthy time..... that's all it means....

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:43 am

Here's my short list.
Jansen, Ramsey, Coles, Thrash, Noble, Cool

ey.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:58 am

tcwest10 wrote:Here's my short list.
Jansen, Ramsey, Coles, Thrash, Noble, ey.

I'd like to add Peirce to that list as a definate and Washington, Bowen, and Betts as possbilities.

ArmyHog · Post by **ArmyHog** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 5:32 am

A core player is not just tough, or a gifted athlete. Sean Taylor is not a core player.....yet. Core players do not embarass the team, especially when the only team rule is "Don't embarass the team". Core players are leaders on and off the field. Good leaders don't get pulled over for DUI. Convicted or not....he put himself in a bad way. He is a great player and will get right in time.

Portis is also a great talent, but not yet a core player. Core players are team players, and I don't get the warm and fuzzy about him putting his team first.

With that....my list....

OFFENSE

Jansen (Respected by his peers and signed long term)
Coles (Plays all the time and gives 110%)
Cool

ey (Long term player and I think a good silent leader)

DEFENSE

Springs (Not loud....prooves himself on the field)
Bowen (True competitor, also gives 110%)

S/T

Thrash (Do I need to explain?)

NikiH · Post by **NikiH** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 10:07 am

I bet I could go dig up dirt on players who you would consider being "core" players of past teams who did things like get DWI's. Sean is young and that is what got him the DWI, not work ethic or wanting to embarass his team. As far as disputing his contract, hmmmmm I see Arrington's name on alot of lists here. The man didn't even play this year yet no one gripes about him making the list. Without Sean Taylor on this team our defense would not have been ranked as highly as it was. There were many occasions where this kid put his body on the line. I think he deserves at least the possiblity of becoming a core player.

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 10:38 am

NikiH wrote:hmmmmm I see Arrington's name on alot of lists here. The man didn't even play this year yet no one gripes about him making the list.

if your gonna go that route, might as well throw Jansen in there to... since he "really" didn't play at all this year... and he's on "every" list.....

NikiH · Post by **NikiH** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 10:53 am

Sorry the criteria for Arrington removal was his dispute about the contract AND that he didn't play this year. Jansen can stay. He negotiated his contract as soon as old Danny Boy let him.

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:19 am

So now that Smoot is disputing his contract he can never be a core Redskin.... gotcha...

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:25 am

NikiH wrote:I bet I could go dig up dirt on players who you would consider being "core" players of past teams who did things like get DWI's.

Riggins used to get to "work" with a warning about not lighting matches anywhere around his breath. -drinking

B. Kilmer further back was a Saint of course... :shock:

But none of them truly embarrassed their team. The example to quote is Manley. A sad story about a great player. He failed the first drug test and he pledged to Joe to get treatment. He did not recover as we all know. Joe gave him a "last" chance and he failed. He was cut notwithstanding how good he was on the field.

Joe will cut -any- player that betrays the confidence of his playmates or coaches. Period.

Some of our great athletes in this team can buy -anything- let alone a Ferrari. It is very difficult to coach these types of players. Some may choose to do the right thing and become core players. Others may go through the slippery way to become undesirables, like Randy Moss, or tragedies like Manley. It is their choice.

I do not know for sure what way will S. Taylor go. But I hope for the best being close to Joe and G. Williams. It is early to call him a core player.

NikiH · Post by **NikiH** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:26 am

Ok, Ok, I am not having any part in this list. You guys make it. I just want Noble on their! Anyone who knows his history knows he belongs on there. Even Bugel thinks so.

Texas Hog · Post by **Texas Hog** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:27 am

I just wish he hadn't played for the pukes!

DieselFan · Post by **DieselFan** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:41 am

Redskin in Canada wrote:Nobody defined the terms...

Huh? I thought that's what I did...or attempted to do...from the start.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:11 pm

DieselFan wrote:Huh? I thought that's what I did...or attempted to do...from the start.

My mistake. But I also liked to read what others thought was to be a core player.

DieselFan · Post by **DieselFan** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:36 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:
DieselFan wrote:Huh? I thought that's what I did...or attempted to do...from the start.
My mistake. But I also liked to read what others thought was to be a core player.

Understood...but my opinion is the only one that counts, right? j/k, of course.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:38 pm

In a nutshell (pardon the pun!) we really are thinking that we know who the coaches like here!

I am hoping that Bowen, Jansen and Arrington can come back next year and become part of the core players on this team.

As far as the core players go I would hope that the team leaders on offense are Ramsey, Samuels, Jansen and Coles. On defense Griffen, Noble, Arrington, Pierce, Washington, Springs and Bowen.
I also think that Brown and Thrash are great leaders and will be considered core Redskins. Barrow may not be able to play anymore but I get the impression he is a player that others look up to and he is like having a coach on the field.

I think that you have to give some players "space" and they may or may not want to be leaders in the near future - I don't have any thing to point to here but Cool

ey, Taylor and Portis strike me this way.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:09 pm

SkinsJock wrote:Cooley, Taylor and Portis strike me this way.

Cooley is the favourite target of Ramsey. Cool

ey does not hang out with taylor and/or Portis.

Lavar, on the other hand, likes Portis and Taylor. They are cut out of the same mold. Talented, highly paid, big egoes, like rap music, etc etc.

Lavar can play a useful job here to talk to these guys. He might be one of the few that can truly talk (and get through) to them.

General Failure · Post by **General Failure** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:17 pm

Didn't Arrington say in one of those awful interviews with Terry Bradshaw that he was a fan of rock because he's from Pittsburgh?

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:26 pm

General Failure wrote:Didn't Arrington say in one of those awful interviews with Terry Bradshaw that he was a fan of rock because he's from Pittsburgh?

Yep, In truth, Lavar may be truly a Steeler in his heart. He grew up wanting to be one. He graduated from Penn State. I am sure he has toyed with the idea of a trade at least before Joe came here.

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:27 pm

General Failure wrote:Didn't Arrington say in one of those awful interviews with Terry Bradshaw that he was a fan of rock because he's from Pittsburgh?

Damn.. you beat me... yes.. I was trying to find it somewhere but when asked whether he liked rap or rock... he said Rock....

RIC must like hockey... and canadian bacon....

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:28 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:
General Failure wrote:Didn't Arrington say in one of those awful interviews with Terry Bradshaw that he was a fan of rock because he's from Pittsburgh?
Yep, In truth, Lavar may be truly a Steeler in his heart. He grew up wanting to be one. He graduated from Penn State. I am sure he has toyed with the idea of a trade at least before Joe came here.

What are you babbling about?

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:29 pm

BringThePain! wrote:RIC must like hockey... and canadian bacon....

Yep to the first. and Yep to the second.

Come on! Admit it!

Our Hogettes are better looking!

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:31 pm

I still don't think he gets the point....

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:33 pm

BringThePain! wrote:What are you babbling about?

At the end of the last season, during the Spurrier debate he said in an interview that he had grown up adoring the Steelers annd their great defenses. He was frustrated as hell about not having a single winning season and seeing his best years pass him bye. He was speaking just before he signed the big contract. It was before the arrival of Joe Gibbs.

As a player, he is a Skin. As a fan, I am not sure.

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:36 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:
BringThePain! wrote:What are you babbling about?
WAt the end of the last season, during the Spurrier debate he said in an interview that he had grown up adoring the Steelers annd their great defenses. He was frustrated as hell about not having a single winning season and seeing his best years pass him bye. He was speaking just before he signed the big contract. It was before the arrival of Joe Gibbs.

As a player, he is a Skin. As a fan, I am not sure.

Yes... I understand that... but that had nothing to do with what GF was saying... it's Read, Ponder, Write... not Read, Write....