My Final Thoughts on our Draft choices....

darkwing99 · Post by **darkwing99** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:19 pm

After reading through a lot of posts around here, one thing seems obvious to me – Most feel we are just about four impact players from making a real difference (WR, DE, OL, TE).
BUT here is something to think about – the chances of that happening are slim to none.
WHY – because after the 10th to 15th player drafted, the odds of picking up someone who’ll be an “Impact” player decrease dramatically and by the time you get to the middle of the second round (or there a bouts) you are only into player who will be able to offer a limited contributions right away. AND by the time you get to the third – WELL, I think you get the point.
So even if we fill our needs (with just draft picks), some of these players are going to be 1-3 (maybe more) years away to really helping us.
I guess my point is, the first player we select needs to really be one who’s going to make the biggest difference to our current team and system (weather it be Offense or Defense). Otherwise, trading down to pick up other potential draft picks will load our team with future players and NOT necessarily ones who will help us out NEXT year.

Like I said, just something to think about!

darkwing99 · Post by **darkwing99** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:21 pm

And after much thought it boils down to between Mike Williams WR or Mathias Kiwanuka DE.

Or my personal favorite twist Antre Rolle CB.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:23 pm

Well, Chris Cool

ey has made an impact, and he was drafted in the 3rd round

I think that the Redskins will stick with Rod Gardner and draft a DE in the first round. Then we'll stick with Dockery and worry about center. We either draft a center of a tight end in the 3rd round and whichever hole we don't fill gets filled via free agency.

darkwing99 · Post by **darkwing99** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:27 pm

That is true but Chris Cool

ey is one of the very FEW exceptions.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:46 pm

well, I think if you know what you're looking for, and a guy fits well in the system it's not too hard to get a guy in the late 1st 2nd or 3rd that will make an immediate impact. Portis was a 2nd rounder, Jansen as well... I don't think it's too terribly hard if you know what you're looking for. A lot of times teams will take a risk on someone who won't pan out, where they could either be a star or a flop. I think you can find someone who will produce relatively well in the early rounds, just not blossom into a star.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 10:01 pm

darkwing99 wrote:That is true but Chris ey is one of the very FEW exceptions.

Actually this is not necessarily accurate...

In fact, I am surprised that none of the "old timers" have come to clarify this point. Some of the better players in the history of our team have come not only from lower rounds, but they have been -undrafted- agents.

Stories abound about many great players who were "discovered" in the most unlikely of places and circumstances. Which brings us to one thing: Our scouting department. This point has not been addressed much in the many draft threads which have grown in large numbers like dandelions in my garden.

You might remember that our scouting team left for San Diego and then to Houston when Danny bought the team. I am not sure that our scouting group has been truly reinforced as much as it needs to be in order to help us discover these diamonds in the rough.

No good scouting = No good hirings at a reasonable price

Ah! And there is no salary cap to hire as many good scouts as you may wish. Are you listening Danny?

Jeremy81 · Post by **Jeremy81** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 10:28 pm

this Mathias Kiwanuka DE is getting my attention more and more...i know he already has quite a bit of national attention, but i haven't heard of him or read too much about him until recently. I would not mind taking him as our pick. the center from north carolina is a beast (forgot the name, too lazy to look it up) but he would most likely be available in the third round or later...and if free agency goes well, we might be able to grab john abraham or shaun rogers...i'm not really sure what more you can ask for in offseason additions given our money circumstances

kkryan · Post by **kkryan** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:39 am

We need to trade down. Our major problem area is offensive line. We could use a de that can apply a pass rush but it is not a requirement. Our d played well enough this year with no pass rush specialist..maybe we can use lavar or chris clemons in that role. We need a center and perhaps a guard.

I like Derrick and hope he can transform into the player I believe he will be. We need a more athletic center. The jansen injury killed us. We should have good depth if we can resign Ray Brown. I like Raymer but he is just not a starter anymore. The skins may have to address samuels contract. I dont feel he has played at the level we are paying him...I would like to trade him and let Wilson or Jim M. have a shot at left tackle. This offense also needs an upgrade at the tightend spot.

There is no need for a wideout. This offense is only as good as the oline. If we can get a good center in the draft and get Jansen back at full strength we should be fine. No more high priced free agents.

ii7-V7 · Post by **ii7-V7** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 9:55 am

The Canuck is the only one here who's making sense. The idea that you can't find impact players in later rounds of the draft is absurd. But being able to pick out the gems from the busts all comes down to scouting....which we are sorely lacking.

Oh, kkryan your point about the O-line was good also.

Hey, Darkwing.... you said that this was your FINAL thoughts...so I don't want to see any posts on draft choices come March and April.

Chad

chicosbailbond · Post by **chicosbailbond** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 10:08 am

darkwing99 wrote:After reading through a lot of posts around here, one thing seems obvious to me – Most feel we are just about four impact players from making a real difference (WR, DE, OL, TE).
BUT here is something to think about – the chances of that happening are slim to none.
WHY – because after the 10th to 15th player drafted, the odds of picking up someone who’ll be an “Impact” player decrease dramatically and by the time you get to the middle of the second round (or there a bouts) you are only into player who will be able to offer a limited contributions right away. AND by the time you get to the third – WELL, I think you get the point.
So even if we fill our needs (with just draft picks), some of these players are going to be 1-3 (maybe more) years away to really helping us.
I guess my point is, the first player we select needs to really be one who’s going to make the biggest difference to our current team and system (weather it be Offense or Defense). Otherwise, trading down to pick up other potential draft picks will load our team with future players and NOT necessarily ones who will help us out NEXT year.

Like I said, just something to think about!

Ask the Dallas Cowboys what type of impact Julius Jones had on their offense... He was a second round pick.... so was Drew Brees... Anquan Boldin... hell Cool

ey had an impact and he was 3rd round....

so you are wrong... if you do your homework and have a vision for the type of player you want you can get an impact player in all of the first four rounds...

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:49 am

Mike Williams would be our biggest need, our current De is better than Rod Gardner. Gardner is a waste. In the third round I would draft a center, since we don't have a second round pick and tied up there money in free agency last a pass rushing De will have to wait.

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 12:03 pm

why Mike Williams?

Wysocki · Post by **Wysocki** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 12:23 pm

BringThePain! wrote:why Mike Williams?

'cuz he's high profile (he's been in the papers for almost the last 2 years) and without knowledge of the entire upcoming draft class we tend to regurgitate what the "experts" say...I love the draft talk but would like to see a breakdown on the stats of last year's studs we HAD to have (gotta take a DE, pass rusher, sack-meister, blah blah) with our first selection: guys like Tommie Harris and Kedeze (sp), etc.

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 12:34 pm

Wysocki wrote:
BringThePain! wrote:why Mike Williams?

'cuz he's high profile (he's been in the papers for almost the last 2 years) and without knowledge of the entire upcoming draft class we tend to regurgitate what the "experts" say...I love the draft talk but would like to see a breakdown on the stats of last year's studs we HAD to have (gotta take a DE, pass rusher, sack-meister, blah blah) with our first selection: guys like Tommie Harris and Kedeze (sp), etc.

You hit the nail on the head.... Why would we use our first round pick on a kid WR, who's been out of the game for a year... doesn't have great speed... Could possibly be a product of a great system/coach at USC... is beyond me?

Especially since we have greater needs at other areas....

Brandon777 · Post by **Brandon777** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 2:40 pm

I found these rankings. I don't know who did them. It was on the Insiders main page. I would like to get a stud WR. We do need linemen though. I'm always nervous when it comes to drafting linemen. How has Gallery done in Oakland? He had all this hype in the draft last year. I haven't followed the Raiders but I haven't heard much about him. Is he doing good? Also in regards to DEs. Does Udeze pressure the QB and have a lot of sacks? This Sunday is the first time that I will get a good look at him. Mike Williams has slipped a bit.

Pos Rk Name College
DE 1 Mathias Kiwanuka Boston Col.
QB 2 Matt Leinart USC
CB 3 Antrel Rolle Miami (Fl)
QB 4 Aaron Rodgers California
DE 5 David Pollack Georgia
WR 6 Mark Clayton Oklahoma
OLB 7 Derrick Johnson Texas
WR 8 Braylon Edwards Michigan
OT 9 Alex Barron FSU
RB 10 Carnell Williams Auburn
WR 11 Craphonso Thorpe FSU
CB 12 Marlin Jackson Michigan
DE 13 Marcus Spears LSU
DT 14 Anttaj Hawthorne Wisconsin
WR 15 Mike Williams USC

Wysocki · Post by **Wysocki** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:07 pm

Leinart gave his word ( :roll:

) he would play another year, so take him off the list...

GoSkins · Post by **GoSkins** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:18 pm

kkryan wrote:We need to trade down. Our major problem area is offensive line. We could use a de that can apply a pass rush but it is not a requirement. Our d played well enough this year with no pass rush specialist..maybe we can use lavar or chris clemons in that role. We need a center and perhaps a guard.

I like Derrick and hope he can transform into the player I believe he will be. We need a more athletic center. The jansen injury killed us. We should have good depth if we can resign Ray Brown. I like Raymer but he is just not a starter anymore. The skins may have to address samuels contract. I dont feel he has played at the level we are paying him...I would like to trade him and let Wilson or Jim M. have a shot at left tackle. This offense also needs an upgrade at the tightend spot.

There is no need for a wideout. This offense is only as good as the oline. If we can get a good center in the draft and get Jansen back at full strength we should be fine. No more high priced free agents.

One of the best analyses on the needs of our Skins. Gibbs and Bugel will spend most of their time and money on our OL.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 7:24 pm

2005 NFL Draft Prospects

This just about covers everyone in the Draft

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=71&p=9&c=12&nid=83

They're ranked overall and by position

skinmadfan · Post by **skinmadfan** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 8:16 pm

men to tell the truth freddy will be gone there is no such thing as a lock down corner and he will want big bucks so on that note i hope we get rolle or williams if their there , that would make them the best aviable player

darkwing99 · Post by **darkwing99** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 8:18 pm

Most likely we will trade down to late in the draft, get a late 1st&2nd round pick and then draft David Baas in the late 1st round and then the best available player in the second round.I personally like Baas because he is 6'5 320lbs a very physical guard who also played center in Michigan.We should take him early because he is really one of the best rated guards/center, who would be a starter instantly.Cory Raymer would be a good backup but should not be starting.After this I really don't care who we draft in the later rounds,but we must take DAVID BAAS GUARD FROM MICHIGAN in the 1ST ROUND.

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 8:22 pm

darkwing99 wrote:...but we must take DAVID BAAS GUARD FROM MICHIGAN in the !ST ROUND.

I agree... and picking up a couple more picks for depth purposes would be nice too...

darkwing99 · Post by **darkwing99** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 8:23 pm

However,if Smoot wants more than we can afford then we stay put and keep our fingers crossed and draft Antre Rolle CB Miami if he is still available.If Rolle is gone then we execute the plan I metioned above and might have to either sign a free agent cornerback or draft one in the 2nd round.

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 8:25 pm

darkwing99 wrote:However,if Smoot wants more than we can afford then we stay put and keep our fingers crossed and draft Antre Rolle CB Miami if he is still available.If Rolle is gone then we execute the plan I metioned above and might have to either sign a free agent cornerback or draft one in the 2nd round.

or mortgage next years first rounder and for a late one this year and get both... :twisted:

fredp45 · Post by **fredp45** » Fri Dec 31, 2004 12:13 am

We must have a big back to get the short yardage. I heard Cowher say, 'I thought you needed two backs to win in this league, I'm now convinced you need 2 big backs' We don't have a BIG back that we can rely on to grind out a few short yards that either keeps a drive going or scores in the red zone...I like Portis but he can't do it.

Kay Jay Harris from WV would be a great pick in the 3rd round. Maybe trade Gardner for a 3rd rounder and get this guy. He's 6'2" or 6'3" 245 lbs...he will get bigger too. He has really good speed for a big guy. I'm thinking he may be the next Bus --you heard it here!

fredp45 · Post by **fredp45** » Fri Dec 31, 2004 8:01 pm

NO one commented on Kay Jay Harris...does that mean no one agrees or no one has seen him play or NO one cares???

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