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The all-overrated team (2 Redskins make the list)

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Below is the All-Overrated team for 2004
Do you agree or Disagree with this list
If you disagree who would the replacement be

The all-overrated team
By Dennis Dillon - SportingNews

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Imagine a football team that included 14 players who were first-round draft picks and 15 players who had been selected to a combined 57 Pro Bowls. With all that talent, you'd think it would be a Super Bowl lock. What we have, instead, is the NFL's all-overrated team.

The Sporting News assembled a panel of eight NFL scouts (one from each division) and two TV analysts and asked them to pick the most overrated players at each position. Some will surprise you, and some won't.

QUARTERBACK

Joey Harrington, Lions. Expectations were high for Harrington, the third overall pick in the 2002 draft, but after almost three seasons he still is inconsistent. "He looks confused and doesn't look like he's playing with confidence," says one NFC scout. You can't argue the Lions haven't improved the talent around him. In the past two years, they've added running back Kevin Jones and receivers Charles Rogers (who has twice broken his collar-bone and played in just six games in two seasons) and Roy Williams.

RUNNING BACKS

Kevan Barlow, 49ers. One scout questioned whether the 49ers should have released Garrison Hearst after last season and "passed the torch" to Barlow, an inside power runner with adequate speed. He says Barlow is "terrible" at picking up the blitz. "In the West Coast system, that'll kill you." In Barlow's defense, he has not had much blocking help.

Mike Alstott, Bucs. He has the reputation of a short-yardage, power runner who is an above-average blocker and can catch the ball. But he doesn't do those things as well as he did three years ago. "He's not the same physical, explosive, dominant guy," says an AFC scout.

WIDE RECEIVERS

Keyshawn Johnson, Cowboys. The perception is Johnson is a vertical threat who can outrun corners and make big plays. The reality: He is a possession receiver who can position himself to make catches against smaller defensive backs but has trouble breaking press coverage. "A lot more smoke than fire," says an NFC scout.

Peerless Price, Falcons. To acquire Price in 2003, Atlanta traded a first-round pick to Buffalo and gave Price a big contract. The Falcons have not reaped nearly enough from their investment. Price is fast and quick, but sometimes he runs out of control, and he hasn't made enough big plays for someone who is supposed to be a No. 1 receiver.

TIGHT END

Jeremy Shockey, Giants. His production has not matched his athletic ability. One explanation might be he hasn't fully recovered from offseason foot surgery. Another is that he has been asked to do more blocking this season, which limits his chances to make plays.

OFFENSIVE TACKLES

Chris Samuels, Redskins. Some observers compared Samuels to Jonathan Ogden, Walter Jones and Orlando Pace when he was the third pick overall in 2000. Nobody is grouping him with those elite left tackles now. One scout described Samuels as a heavy-footed guy who gets beat on bull rushes and is lazy at times.

Luke Petitgout, Giants. Back problems have slowed Petitgout, but they don't account entirely for his mediocre play. He gets beat by power moves, and he gets beat by quickness. "Here's a guy who's supposed to be the anchor of that Giants line," says an NFC scout.

GUARDS

Ruben Brown, Bears. Some scouts think Brown, whose season was ended in late November by a neck injury, has been living off his reputation as an eight-time Pro Bowl player. When he pulls and gets out in space, he is an athletic lineman. When he's asked to anchor inside and be physical, he doesn't do as well.

Damien Woody, Lions. Woody, a first-round pick by the Patriots in 1999, has great athletic ability, but he underachieved in New England before getting a big free-agent deal from Detroit after last season. "Once he got the money, he went from being a good, solid, dependable player to just a guy," says an NFC scout.

CENTER

Kevin Mawae, Jets. The only center who received more than one vote, Mawae is the choice by default. One scout's take: "I think people are enamored with the fact he's athletic and can pull. But when he's got to be man-on-man, the fight is a little different. He doesn't show up as a guy who will anchor and stop a bull rush."

DEFENSIVE ENDS

Marcellus Wiley, Cowboys. Jerry Jones paid Wiley big bucks to come in and be a three-down, high-impact end who could both stop the run and rush the passer. It took Wiley 11 weeks to come up with his first sack of the season.

Grant Wistrom, Seahawks. Wistrom, who landed a $14 million bonus when he signed as a free agent with Seattle, plays with intensity and effort, but the production is rarely there. He struggles to get off blocks and most offensive tackles can handle him without help. "You've got to respect him," says an AFC scout, "but you don't have to fear him."

DEFENSIVE TACKLES

Chris Hovan, Vikings. He made his reputation as a disruptive defender by out-quicking opponents with his initial movement off the snap. Somewhere, he lost that and now teams seem to have figured him out. "He's got all these arms and legs and elbows thrashing around, but he's never really going anywhere," says an NFC scout.

Warren Sapp, Raiders. Sapp's play started declining before he departed Tampa as a free agent after last season. Once the best 3 technique tackle in the league who was a mismatch inside because of his explosiveness and quickness, he is out of place when he lines up at end in the Raiders' 3-4 scheme.

LINEBACKERS

Brian Urlacher, Bears.

LaVar Arrington, Redskins. Arrington, who has missed most of this season after knee surgery in September, is a contradiction. He makes plays in areas where he shouldn't be and misses them in areas where he's supposed to be. He'll read one play and close the gap quickly, then misread the next play and take himself out of position. "He free-lances a bit and tries to make the big hit when he just needs to play the position and make tackles," says an AFC scout.

Zach Thomas, Dolphins. A tough, blue-collar player who is undersized (5-11, 230) for a middle linebacker, Thomas can make a ton of tackles when he's protected by his defensive linemen. When he doesn't get that protection, he can become lost in space.

CORNERBACKS

Charles Woodson, Raiders. He's a gambler who tries to bait teams into throwing at him so he can make interceptions. But he gives up a lot more big plays than he makes. Woodson also doesn't show a lot of intensity and isn't big on run support. "His bite isn't as good as his bark," says an AFC scout.

Dre' Bly, Lions. He had six interceptions en route to his first Pro Bowl last season, but Bly is more of a solid No. 2 corner than a dominant No. 1. He gets beat on jump balls by bigger receivers, guesses too often and gives up a lot of plays.

SAFETIES

Tebucky Jones, Saints. He can get from Point A to Point B as fast as anyone. But what Jones possesses in speed, he lacks in instincts. "He's all over the place," says an NFC scout. "You just can't trust him."

John Lynch, Broncos. Age and injuries have reduced Lynch to a one-dimensional player. He still can deliver a hit that will rattle your ribs, but he lacks the speed to be a good cover safety and needs to play near the line of scrimmage to be most effective.

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the only one on that list that shouldn't be is urlacher. the rest of it is pretty true.
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I'd take that team. Some on there haven't quite met expectations, but then they've almost all had very high expectations set by the media.
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Post by redskincity »

The media is funny. One minute they are sucking these guys asses and then in the next breathe they talk crap about them.

I list is pretty awesome. I love to have that team.
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As for Samuals... I couldn't agree more....

But a Linebacker is only as good as the D-Line in front of him, and LA hasn't had a great line in front of him in years past.... I'm not making excuses for Lavar, because some of what they said was true... but we barely got to see what he could do in this system and even if he does play these last few games, I'm not sure we'll see him at 100%

For all we know, he could be an animal in this system at 100%... I guess we'll have to wait for next year to know for sure... I wouldn't call him over-rated... I'd just say he hasn't played at his potential for a full year... yet ;)
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BringThePain! wrote:As for Samuals... I couldn't agree more....

But a Linebacker is only as good as the D-Line in front of him, and LA hasn't had a great line in front of him in years past.... I'm not making excuses for Lavar, because some of what they said was true... but we barely got to see what he could do in this system and even if he does play these last few games, I'm not sure we'll see him at 100%

For all we know, he could be an animal in this system at 100%... I guess we'll have to wait for next year to know for sure... I wouldn't call him over-rated... I'd just say he hasn't played at his potential for a full year... yet ;)


I couldnt agree more. Our linebackers of the past had three jobs; pass coverage, run stopping and clean up. Thats just to much for one position on a consistent basis.

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Post by Irn-Bru »

I'd love to see a similar list of all the most underrated players in the league. You've gotta believe that one, or maybe even two, players from our defense could make that list. Don't know about the offense, though. . .
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I think they nailed the QB spot. Those crazy "Joey Harrington Experience" commercials drive me nuts.
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Sometimes these lists just make you scratch your head. Look at the write up for Keyshawn Johnson "The perception is Johnson is a vertical threat...", who the hecks perception is that? Maybe Keyshawn's, but he thinks he can walk on water.


Putting Wiley on the list confused me aw well. If everyone on the planet understands that he's a pretty crappy DE, can he really be "overrated"?
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Has anyone in the last four years called Keyshawn anything but a posession receiver? Anything that can be repeated outside of the Smack forum, I mean.
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General Failure wrote:Has anyone in the last four years called Keyshawn anything but a posession receiver? Anything that can be repeated outside of the Smack forum, I mean.


I think the term "cancer" has been thrown around in reference to Keyshaun... :lol:
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Yeah, but that term is overused. The guy may be arrogant and unlikable, but he's not to blame for the collapse of the Bucs or Cowboys.
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I agreed. I think the criticisms of LaVar and Chris are somewhat warranted, but I still don't know if they are the most overrated at their positions. They are both still excellent players, even if they are not as consistent as they should be.
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I don't think Lavar should be up there. Baily should definetly be up there he is not a shut down corner. He got abused by Eddie Kenison tonight, is the second highest paid defender in the league. Baily is nothing but a solid corner. He is not a great player or one of the best at all. Springs and Smoot are both way better than Baily is now. Baily should definetly be upthere in the most overrated players in the league.
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In 2004, yes, Chris and Lavar have both been overrated. Chris has had an up-and-down year, and Lavar failed to break through, again, this time, however, due to injury.
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MeShawn, Harrington, Sapp, Alstott, Dre Bly ALL DEFINTELY BELONG ON THIS LIST!! I Could not agree more on this! I am starting to believe that Samuels is overrated! He has been horrible for us the last 2 years! He used to be so great I have no explanation for what has happened to him!
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I don't remember anyone ever comparing him to Pace or Ogden though.
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REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:In 2004, yes, Chris and Lavar have both been overrated. Chris has had an up-and-down year, and Lavar failed to break through, again, this time, however, due to injury.


With Chris's position is hard to measure just one person. The play of his teammates largely effects his own and vice versa.
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Chris Luva Luva wrote:
REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:In 2004, yes, Chris and Lavar have both been overrated. Chris has had an up-and-down year, and Lavar failed to break through, again, this time, however, due to injury.


With Chris's position is hard to measure just one person. The play of his teammates largely effects his own and vice versa.


No... for a guy who was taken 3rd overall, he hasn't lived up to the expectations... we've all seen him get worked by a couple of DE and he does commit a number of false start penalties, also he has never really stepped up and become the offensive line leader...even after Jansen went down... Not saying he's a bad OL.... just saying that he is overated for the price we paid for him and the expectations from him that he hasn't met....
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BringThePain! wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:
REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:In 2004, yes, Chris and Lavar have both been overrated. Chris has had an up-and-down year, and Lavar failed to break through, again, this time, however, due to injury.


With Chris's position is hard to measure just one person. The play of his teammates largely effects his own and vice versa.


No... for a guy who was taken 3rd overall, he hasn't lived up to the expectations... we've all seen him get worked by a couple of DE and he does commit a number of false start penalties, also he has never really stepped up and become the offensive line leader...even after Jansen went down... Not saying he's a bad OL.... just saying that he is overated for the price we paid for him and the expectations from him that he hasn't met....


I agree with what your saying 100%. I was stating that its a bit hard to determine the source of problems on such a team work dependent unit. I believe that if Jansen was back, and we upgraded and center and guard his year would have been better.

When it comes down to it, he is overpaid but thats not his fault. Thats the fault of our front office...again.
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Post by DiRTyHoG3026 »

Lavar has all the physical tools in the world to be a top 3 linebacker but he is just too inconsistent. One week he'll have 15 tkls, a fmbl recovery and a sack or 2 but the next week he'll end up with without any tackles.
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I agree toltally.
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DiRTyHoG3026 wrote:Lavar has all the physical tools in the world to be a top 3 linebacker but he is just too inconsistent. One week he'll have 15 tkls, a fmbl recovery and a sack or 2 but the next week he'll end up with without any tackles.


Micheal Westbrook had all the tools to be a Top Three receiver. Shuler had all the tools to be a Top Five QB. Gus Frerotte had all the tools to be, hands down, the guy with the worst way of celebrating a touchdown pass. :)
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