The Official Ramsey vs Brunell DISCUSSION thread

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:39 pm

You're right 1niksder, if Joe had any doubts about anyone, they would not be a Redskin for very long! You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink.

The coach, IMO, felt he needed an experienced QB and for whatever reason we ended up with Brunell.

From the tapes/information (or whatever) that Joe had he thought that he had a very good prospect in Pat. He indicated, from what we were led to believe, that both would be given an opportunity to show their stuff in training camp.

Joe decided that Mark would start. It was soon obvious to everybody (but the people who decide things) that we needed to make a change.

Joe has a history of standing by his people. This has nothing to do with how he felt about Pat but how he thinks these things should be handled. It is his team.

Some of us cautioned that if the change were made before Joe felt it was time it might affect Pat for the future. Some do not care about this, Joe seems to place some importance to it. It is his team.

Hopefully, now, we have an offensive weapon that has been unleashed and the team can now get it going for the remainder of the season.

I also hope that Joe continues to support Pat AS HE HAS ALWAYS DONE imo.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:12 am

SJ Bravo! This is what the discussion was ALL about. I could not agree more.

spudstr04 · Post by **spudstr04** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 10:54 am

Personally...i say we go for Brees in the offseason....may be we can dump a bunch of players for some cap room...

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:11 am

brees sucks. he finally decided to come play when he's working for a pay day. he'll be a bust where ever he ends up. i just hope it isn't here. we have enough hot dogs.

spudstr04 · Post by **spudstr04** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:14 am

true, but then who should we go after in the offseason

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:18 am

no one. maybe an O-lineman or defensive end. draft another QB in the late rounds. this team isn't that far off. no need to go free agent shopping.

it also sounds like you have no faith in ramsey. if he dosen't pan out, we still don't need another over priced vet.

spudstr04 · Post by **spudstr04** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:22 am

I believe in ramsey.....i didn't want the skins to sign brunell because i thought tim hasselbeck was good enough as a back-up...

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:34 am

sounds good to me. but as fate would have it, we are stuck with brunell. :puke:

welch · Post by **welch** » Fri Nov 19, 2004 11:54 pm

no one. maybe an O-lineman or defensive end. draft another QB in the late rounds. this team isn't that far off. no need to go free agent shopping.

OL and DL. They drive the team. The Redskins don't need high-$ free agents.

Redskin Don · Post by **Redskin Don** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 9:22 am

if Ramsey can get the job done. If he can't then we'll need to acquire or draft a QB next year. Brunell has proven he can't bring it anymore.

The bigger question, to me, is why was the decision made to bring Brunell here in the first place? Somebody did a pathetic job of determining what he had left "in the tank". Yeah, it's easy for me to sit here and be a "monday morning quarterback", but somebody at Redskin Park is getting paid to know better and they screwed up BIG TIME.

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS

welch · Post by **welch** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 3:21 pm

It's hard to believe that any QB drops off like Brunnell did...at only 34.

Something's peculiar. Lingering injury?

tricks · Post by **tricks** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:05 pm

I find it hard to understand how far Burnell has fell in such short time myself but we may have to keep him through next season for cap reasons.

If we cut him before that he'll count for 7 millon towards the cap but if we keep him until after next season June is what I heard then he only counts for a millon.

The thing to do would be play Ramsey and move Hasselbeck into the back-up postion, he played best out of the three but he was playing 2nd string players. I know Burnell would be the highest paid 3rd string QB in history! LOL but it's better than giving up 7 billon! just my 2 cents, hell thats about all the sense I got! LOL

welch · Post by **welch** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 6:30 pm

If we cut him before that he'll count for 7 millon towards the cap but if we keep him until after next season June is what I heard then he only counts for a millon.

I understand C++, but nothing as complicated as the NFL cap.

However, I like your principle: if Brunnell is finished, really finished for whatever mysterious reason, then cut him before he cuts too deeply into the cap. "Bite the bullet". Let Tim H. be 2nd string. He fits the role.

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:49 pm

Since Ramsey OBVIOUSLY cost us the game, it's time we move to Hasselbeck. Ramsey, what a waste of a draft pick. :roll:

Of course, I'm just kidding you know. :wink:

Atta boy, P-Ram!

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:57 pm

Lets see if Hasselbeck can give us another NFL record 0.00 Quaterback rating.

Just kidding :lol:

He didnt do that, did he??? :roll:

welch · Post by **welch** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 8:31 pm

OK, if this debate is going to come alive again, then I'm going to start the "Let's start Sonny" campaign. Remember, Sonny Jurgenson:

- hasn't lost a step (never had a step to lose)

- is still in his playing-shape (same beer-belly)

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:28 pm

The fact of the matter is Ramsey threw that Int and Burnell never would have done that.... No way a Brunell pass would have traveled that far

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:45 pm

1niksder wrote:The fact of the matter is Ramsey threw that Int and Burnell never would have done that.... No way a Brunell pass would have traveled that far

Exactly!

Nice Wun.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 6:22 pm

welch wrote:OK, if this debate is going to come alive again, then I'm going to start the "Let's start Sonny" campaign. Remember, Sonny Jurgenson:

- hasn't lost a step (never had a step to lose)

- is still in his playing-shape (same beer-belly)

While we are at it:

Let's bring back also Jerry Smith, Charley Taylor and Bobby Mitchell.

You could forget about dropped passes altogether from now on.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 6:36 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:
welch wrote:OK, if this debate is going to come alive again, then I'm going to start the "Let's start Sonny" campaign. Remember, Sonny Jurgenson:

- hasn't lost a step (never had a step to lose)

- is still in his playing-shape (same beer-belly)
While we are at it:

Let's bring back also Jerry Smith, Charley Taylor and Bobby Mitchell.

You could forget about dropped passes altogether from now on.

With you avatar, and you don't even mention Monk?

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 7:10 pm

JSPB22 wrote:With you avatar, and you don't even mention Monk?

Welch wrote Sonny Jurgensen! Art never caught a single passl from him!

If Welch had written Joe Theisman, well, that is another story!

welch · Post by **welch** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 11:55 pm

Well, Joey T. is my backup choice if I can't persuade anyone that it's time to activate Sonny. We would have to check the leg, though, especially since quickness was a big part of Joe T.'s game.

No such worries about Sonny Jurgenson.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 4:02 pm

welch wrote:Well, Joey T. is my backup choice if I can't persuade anyone that it's time to activate Sonny. We would have to check the leg, though, especially since quickness was a big part of Joe T.'s game.

No such worries about Sonny Jurgenson.

Check the JT's leg but not SJ belly? :hmm:

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 4:16 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:
welch wrote:Well, Joey T. is my backup choice if I can't persuade anyone that it's time to activate Sonny. We would have to check the leg, though, especially since quickness was a big part of Joe T.'s game.

No such worries about Sonny Jurgenson.
Check the JT's leg but not SJ belly?

You may be on to something. I think Sonny is much thinner now than when he played. He needs to get back up to his playing weight before we can activate him.

welch · Post by **welch** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 6:06 pm

He needs to get back up to his playing weight before we can activate him.

Good point!

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