Gloating

curveball · Post by **curveball** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 11:54 pm

Can I now gloat about Julius Jones' ability and my call on it?

Win or lose in the second half, can everyone agree that this kid is a heckuva back?

This season for the Cowboys has always been about the future and getting the building blocks in place. Last year's team might have been the worst 10-6 team in history, but I'm excited about the future.

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:42 am

He's had a couple of good games... he must be all NFL all-time. :roll:

I heard Emmitt Smith called him this morning and hand-picked him as the one to break the NFL career rushing record eventually... said that if he could do that to the Bears and the plummetting Seahawks... he was bound for mediocre greatness.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:59 am

Sure you can, c'ball! We can gloat about 1 game and you can point to any number of stats that show this was a good pick. NOT!

I do not watch pukes football, but I did watch the last 10 minutes of last night's game.

That may be a win to you but as far as I'm concerned that was another w you do not have. Something has got to be done about both the officaiting and am I the only one who thinks it is biased to some teams?

The Redskins are the 2nd best team in the NFC East, not that that is saying much!

But, go ahead and gloat, JJ looks terrific!!! I think he should be the NFC starter in HI!

I was looking forward to this week, but I really am looking forward to our next game in Texass.

TexasCowboy · Post by **TexasCowboy** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:43 am

Let me say that the win last night against Seattle was a fluke. not because of the KJ
TD catch he claims was so BS

my gripe is that inside 2 minutes and they allow Dallas to score, 14 unanswered points
to beat them. when Seattle is in clear control
up 10 with 1:57 left

that should never be allowed to happen ever but sadly it did happen. and a win is a win
unfortunatly

but in the case of Dallas wins are not what they need. lookin at the future is what they
need and it looks real bright with Julius, Whitten and Copper

so don't gloat to hard their Curve because I think reality soon comes crashing down on those boys in the silver and blue

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:36 pm

Good points, TC! You are exactly right. How does a team allow 10 points that quick?

I would also point out that the coaches (both!) made so many mistakes in that time! This was very messy all around.

I do think you have a couple of good players in Whitten and JJones. Be interesting to see how this off season goes with your picks and cap options.

TexasCowboy · Post by **TexasCowboy** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:10 pm

I have no idea why they allowed Dallas to get 14 unanswered in less then 2 minutes, but regardless the sun shines on a dogs ass sometimes

sadly as badly as I wanted Seattle to beat them so we could see the future alot more

It didn't happen oh well, they can still blow it and maybe we can see the future a little
more.

And these stupid little games of Dallas getting into the post season can stop

It's giving me a head ache all ready

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 2:12 pm

TexasCowboy wrote:I have no idea why they allowed Dallas to get 14 unanswered in less then 2 minutes, but regardless the sun shines on a dogs ass sometimes

You don't know how Dallas got 14 unanswered points? I'll tell you. The refs hooked them up with 7 points on another bad call.......the NFL is the worst officiated sport in the world.......the other 7 was scored on a real good run by Jones.

On a side note....I hate these Refs the NFL uses. They blew another call in the Steelers/ Jaguars game.

TexasCowboy · Post by **TexasCowboy** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 2:43 pm

You don't know how Dallas got 14 unanswered points? I'll tell you. The refs hooked them up with 7 points on another bad call.......the NFL is the worst officiated sport in the world.......the other 7 was scored on a real good run by Jones.

On a side note....I hate these Refs the NFL uses. They blew another call in the Steelers/ Jaguars game.

I wouldn't blame the refs Dallas overachieved and got lucky like I said it was a fluke win nothing more

Primetime42 · Post by **Primetime42** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 2:54 pm

TexasCowboy wrote:
You don't know how Dallas got 14 unanswered points? I'll tell you. The refs hooked them up with 7 points on another bad call.......the NFL is the worst officiated sport in the world.......the other 7 was scored on a real good run by Jones.

On a side note....I hate these Refs the NFL uses. They blew another call in the Steelers/ Jaguars game.

I wouldn't blame the refs Dallas overachieved and got lucky like I said it was a fluke win nothing more

such a supportive fan... :shock:

TexasCowboy · Post by **TexasCowboy** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 2:57 pm

I call it like I see it part of being a fan is not being a blind homer

Primetime42 · Post by **Primetime42** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:00 pm

Not being a blind homer, but I know damn well if I was a member of the Dallas Cowboys, I wouldn't appreciate a 'fan' wanting me to lose games when I was still in the thick of a playoff race. Contrary to what you might think, it doesn't help us much to pick three whole spots higher in the draft. The NFL is a win now league. Anyone can do it. You of all people, after seeing what we and Carolina did last year, should understand this.

TexasCowboy · Post by **TexasCowboy** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 4:35 pm

Primetime42 wrote:Not being a blind homer, but I know damn well if I was a member of the Dallas Cowboys, I wouldn't appreciate a 'fan' wanting me to lose games when I was still in the thick of a playoff race. Contrary to what you might think, it doesn't help us much to pick three whole spots higher in the draft. The NFL is a win now league. Anyone can do it. You of all people, after seeing what we and Carolina did last year, should understand this.

But that's just it I think this whole playoff race has gottin into everybody's head and created false hopes

because underneath it all they are still the same Dallas Cowboys who, were beat soundly by the Giants, Packers,
Bungles and E-Girls

so I just feel this team after pitiful performances don't deserve to be in the post season. their are much more deserving teams who deserve to be their and were just not
1 one of them right now

Now does saying all this make me a bad fan or fair weather/bandwagon fan? of course not I think if you asked
any commentator if they felt Dallas should be a playoff team this year they'd say no

Theirs so much more we need to work with underneath before we take the next step. that's why I don't want them to win
any more games this season

because I want what needs to be fixed to get fixed and being a playoff team isn't goin to help. IMO it makes it worse mainly because the further you distance your self away from
the best talent coming out of college

The harder it becomes to get better next season and if your in a bad situation like Dallas is in. were you not only lack starters but depth

how are we goin to get the best corner if were picking at the 22nd spot in next years draft? so our sense of urgency
should be fix the problems worry about wins and post season
play for when the talent is in place

this temporary band aid is not working I'm afraid to say we need positive solutions to our problems winning is not our problem, getting the right talent is

Primetime42 · Post by **Primetime42** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 4:59 pm

TexasCowboy wrote:
Primetime42 wrote:Not being a blind homer, but I know damn well if I was a member of the Dallas Cowboys, I wouldn't appreciate a 'fan' wanting me to lose games when I was still in the thick of a playoff race. Contrary to what you might think, it doesn't help us much to pick three whole spots higher in the draft. The NFL is a win now league. Anyone can do it. You of all people, after seeing what we and Carolina did last year, should understand this.

But that's just it I think this whole playoff race has gottin into everybody's head and created false hopes

because underneath it all they are still the same Dallas Cowboys who, were beat soundly by the Giants, Packers,
Bungles and E-Girls

so I just feel this team after pitiful performances don't deserve to be in the post season. their are much more deserving teams who deserve to be their and were just not
1 one of them right now

Now does saying all this make me a bad fan or fair weather/bandwagon fan? of course not I think if you asked
any commentator if they felt Dallas should be a playoff team this year they'd say no

Theirs so much more we need to work with underneath before we take the next step. that's why I don't want them to win
any more games this season

because I want what needs to be fixed to get fixed and being a playoff team isn't goin to help. IMO it makes it worse mainly because the further you distance your self away from
the best talent coming out of college

The harder it becomes to get better next season and if your in a bad situation like Dallas is in. were you not only lack starters but depth

how are we goin to get the best corner if were picking at the 22nd spot in next years draft? so our sense of urgency
should be fix the problems worry about wins and post season
play for when the talent is in place

this temporary band aid is not working I'm afraid to say we need positive solutions to our problems winning is not our problem, getting the right talent is

The best corner thing I think is a moot point right now. We aren't getting any Antrelle Rolle's. and Quite frankly, I don't want any more rookies starting in our secondary.

We need to improve using the FA money on a solid pass rusher (A John Abraham maybe?) and someone who can eat up RB's in the middle next to Glover. Create a pass rush, then worry about the secondary. If we can get a consistent rush on the passer, I can live with Lance Frazier and Terence Newman as the Corners...so long as we get a true FS to put next to Roy Williams.

TexasCowboy · Post by **TexasCowboy** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 6:40 pm

Primetime42 wrote:
TexasCowboy wrote:
Primetime42 wrote:Not being a blind homer, but I know damn well if I was a member of the Dallas Cowboys, I wouldn't appreciate a 'fan' wanting me to lose games when I was still in the thick of a playoff race. Contrary to what you might think, it doesn't help us much to pick three whole spots higher in the draft. The NFL is a win now league. Anyone can do it. You of all people, after seeing what we and Carolina did last year, should understand this.

But that's just it I think this whole playoff race has gottin into everybody's head and created false hopes

because underneath it all they are still the same Dallas Cowboys who, were beat soundly by the Giants, Packers,
Bungles and E-Girls

so I just feel this team after pitiful performances don't deserve to be in the post season. their are much more deserving teams who deserve to be their and were just not
1 one of them right now

Now does saying all this make me a bad fan or fair weather/bandwagon fan? of course not I think if you asked
any commentator if they felt Dallas should be a playoff team this year they'd say no

Theirs so much more we need to work with underneath before we take the next step. that's why I don't want them to win
any more games this season

because I want what needs to be fixed to get fixed and being a playoff team isn't goin to help. IMO it makes it worse mainly because the further you distance your self away from
the best talent coming out of college

The harder it becomes to get better next season and if your in a bad situation like Dallas is in. were you not only lack starters but depth

how are we goin to get the best corner if were picking at the 22nd spot in next years draft? so our sense of urgency
should be fix the problems worry about wins and post season
play for when the talent is in place

this temporary band aid is not working I'm afraid to say we need positive solutions to our problems winning is not our problem, getting the right talent is
The best corner thing I think is a moot point right now. We aren't getting any Antrelle Rolle's. and Quite frankly, I don't want any more rookies starting in our secondary.

We need to improve using the FA money on a solid pass rusher (A John Abraham maybe?) and someone who can eat up RB's in the middle next to Glover. Create a pass rush, then worry about the secondary. If we can get a consistent rush on the passer, I can live with Lance Frazier and Terence Newman as the Corners...so long as we get a true FS to put next to Roy Williams.

But see that is were I disagree with you Prime because I feel that this, player by committe routine is not getting
it done for us

We should have by now starters who we know by name and can trust to get it done each time they take the field. problem is we don't have that and sadly were relying on guys who we have no clue wether or not they are the answer

to do the job of people who should be in those positions all ready. how ever I do agree with you on a pass rush but we
don't need to get old at any more positions in order to get
better at those position

Primetime42 · Post by **Primetime42** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 7:08 pm

TexasCowboy wrote:
Primetime42 wrote:
TexasCowboy wrote:
Primetime42 wrote:Not being a blind homer, but I know damn well if I was a member of the Dallas Cowboys, I wouldn't appreciate a 'fan' wanting me to lose games when I was still in the thick of a playoff race. Contrary to what you might think, it doesn't help us much to pick three whole spots higher in the draft. The NFL is a win now league. Anyone can do it. You of all people, after seeing what we and Carolina did last year, should understand this.

But that's just it I think this whole playoff race has gottin into everybody's head and created false hopes

because underneath it all they are still the same Dallas Cowboys who, were beat soundly by the Giants, Packers,
Bungles and E-Girls

so I just feel this team after pitiful performances don't deserve to be in the post season. their are much more deserving teams who deserve to be their and were just not
1 one of them right now

Now does saying all this make me a bad fan or fair weather/bandwagon fan? of course not I think if you asked
any commentator if they felt Dallas should be a playoff team this year they'd say no

Theirs so much more we need to work with underneath before we take the next step. that's why I don't want them to win
any more games this season

because I want what needs to be fixed to get fixed and being a playoff team isn't goin to help. IMO it makes it worse mainly because the further you distance your self away from
the best talent coming out of college

The harder it becomes to get better next season and if your in a bad situation like Dallas is in. were you not only lack starters but depth

how are we goin to get the best corner if were picking at the 22nd spot in next years draft? so our sense of urgency
should be fix the problems worry about wins and post season
play for when the talent is in place

this temporary band aid is not working I'm afraid to say we need positive solutions to our problems winning is not our problem, getting the right talent is
The best corner thing I think is a moot point right now. We aren't getting any Antrelle Rolle's. and Quite frankly, I don't want any more rookies starting in our secondary.

We need to improve using the FA money on a solid pass rusher (A John Abraham maybe?) and someone who can eat up RB's in the middle next to Glover. Create a pass rush, then worry about the secondary. If we can get a consistent rush on the passer, I can live with Lance Frazier and Terence Newman as the Corners...so long as we get a true FS to put next to Roy Williams.

But see that is were I disagree with you Prime because I feel that this, player by committe routine is not getting
it done for us

We should have by now starters who we know by name and can trust to get it done each time they take the field. problem is we don't have that and sadly were relying on guys who we have no clue wether or not they are the answer

to do the job of people who should be in those positions all ready. how ever I do agree with you on a pass rush but we
don't need to get old at any more positions in order to get
better at those position

But you can't do it that way in the NFL anymore.

Unfortunately, our drafts in the past have flat out SUCKED. I don't like losing. I'm like Tuna. Don't care about tomorrow. I mean, I care about tomorrow, but I want to win today. TODAY. I honestly feel that with a few pieces that can be picked up in FA on the defensive side of the ball, we can be a forced to be reckoned with next season. I like what our O brings to the table. Take a healthy Terry Glenn and Dan Campbell to open up the game for Juice and we've got a team that can score 30 points at will. Regardless who the QB is.

I WANT TO WIN NOW. This isn't 1989. I don't believe in losing just to position yourself closer to a so called "college stud" when you can find something in the later rounds. ESPECIALLY at the positions we need help at.

TexasCowboy · Post by **TexasCowboy** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:34 pm

I agree that our drafting has sucked in the past and losing does suck as well, but what sucks worse is when everyone else around you
gets better because they draft for the future

while we just throw band aids over things and hope it works. if you stop and think about
that. that doesn't leave us a very good
future

especially since it's more then likely Parcells is out after his contract is done

so they had better think about the future enough of this mickey mouse sh*t

patrickg68 · Post by **patrickg68** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 9:12 pm

With the success that Julius Jones has been having compared to Eddie George and the rest of the Cowboy's backs, what do you guys think about the old debate about who was better Emmitt Smith or Barry Sanders and where does Emmitt Smtih stand as far as all time great running backs? The argument by so many people is that the offensive line made Emmitt Smith. Well, the Cowboys line hasn't changed and Julius Jones has shown that the skill of the running back is every bit as important to running the football as line play.

Primetime42 · Post by **Primetime42** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:04 pm

That little running back who is making headlines in Dallas...we drafted him with the 43rd overall pick.

Nuff said.

TexasCowboy · Post by **TexasCowboy** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:24 pm

Primetime42 wrote:That little running back who is making headlines in Dallas...we drafted him with the 43rd overall pick.

Nuff said.

That's right he has made headlines so has Whitten and Copper. but we need more then 3 players making headlines

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:33 pm

Two cowboys fans debating on the Redskins website. Somebody grap the popcorn from the microwave--I can't get up and miss any of this!

Primetime42 · Post by **Primetime42** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 3:59 pm

And you're just a little slow :roll:

TexasCowboy · Post by **TexasCowboy** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:04 pm

More like a day late and a dollar short

welch · Post by **welch** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 6:25 pm

I feel like I've just wandered into somebody else's family fight, but, since it's taking place in our living-room, I'll say that:

- no team ever plays to lose if they ever want to build that get-it-done spirit that they will eventually need to win

- there is no significant difference between number 1 overall, number 5, and number 10 in the draft. I say from inside a big bruise named "Heath Shuler".

- Teams are built from the later draft choices and the undrafted free-agents. For evidence, see the Redskins defense.

- Parcells knows what he is doing, and has proven that again and again.