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Roderique Wright DT (Texas) Compares to corey simon

6'5 305lbs is a playmaker on the Texas d-line and is constantly double teamed.we need another defensive tackle so our defensive ends can apply pressure on our pass rush without having to blitz the whole damn time.
The d-line needs help at the defensive end position as well.Dan Cody DE (oklahoma) 6'5 270lbs 1st round or
Justin Tuck in the 3rd round will not be a bad idea.but if there is a quality center available we take him.guys any suggestions at this time.

We need a pass rushing DE all our sacks have came from linebackers and Dt. We need another reciever, center, pure Te, De, and Lt Samuels is horrible. Javon Kearse dominated his ass.

Justin Tuck will be the best bargain of the draft. Great speed, good strength, AMAZING production. I'm expecting him to be an early- to mid 2nd round pick, and I highly doubt he will drop to round 3. At round 3, he would be the Steal Of The Draft

John Manfreda wrote:We need a pass rushing DE all our sacks have came from linebackers and Dt. We need another reciever, center, pure Te, De, and Lt Samuels is horrible. Javon Kearse dominated his ass.

I disagree, a DE can be easily double teamed. We need a DT to draw that double team and free up our DE's and whoever blitzes. A good DT will make an average DE look good.

Wait wait wait. Are you telling me Cornelius Griffin isn't good enough for you?? THat man has been awesome this year! Let's go throwing money at another position we have sealed up for next year, that's a good idea.

i agree niki. a speed rushing DE would make more of an impact than another tackle.

I still say receiver, but if we go Dline, i say a speed DE...Donovan had a lot of time in the pocket last week, even with griffin getting double teamed. a dlineman that can chase him down when he scrambles sounds pretty damn good to me.

we don't get presure without a blitz. a DT's main job is run-stuffing, and i think we are ok in that department. A good DE will demand doubles, and will free up others. it really helps on 3rd and long when you can presure with a 4 man front.

I think we should take a pass rushing end in the first round, hopefully we can trade down and get at least one more pick before we select one of these guys

Dan Cody.......DT/DE...Oklahoma..4.8/40...6-4..... 260
David Pollack..DE......Georgia...4.7/40...6-2..... 260
Marcus Spears..DE......LSU.......5.0/40...6-4..... 295

If I were making the pick I'd go with Spears


If we wait until the 2nd round or trade out of the top 20
Shaun Cody.....DL......USC

Both of these guy will be gone by the time we pick (they'll both go in the top 10)

Erasmus James..DE......Wisconsin......1st DE taken
Matt Roth ......DE......Iowa...........2nd DE to go

As much as I hate looking to next year this early...

All of you are "nizuts".... at least as a first round pick goes...

For a D-Line that didn't have what you call a premiere pass rushing DE.... they did a fine job, compared to years past of getting pressure on the QB and finding a pass rushing specialist in the later rounds is always an option... and we've seen with all the injury's, that we have enough depth at the other postions on this defense to maintain ourselves as one of the best in the league..

We have plenty of Depth/Heart at WR/RB even if we (i'm asking Santa to please make it happen) let go of 50/50..

We all know that if Patrick has enough time, he really can be a top notch QB in this league... he almost always makes his mistakes when he's pressured.... Jansen went down, Thomas got hurt, Samuals I'm sorry to say is good, but overrated... we need as much quality depth on that O-Line as possible.... an O-Line never stays fully healthy during any given season... and we hurt alot this year because the lack of depth..

If we're able to resign the majority of our free-agents this year... and draft nothing but one specialty pass rushing DE, and a bunch of O-Lineman... I'd be a happy puppy....

let someone else win the off-season superbowl for a change... I'd like to go into next season quietly...... no distractions, no carnival, just old time Redskins football..

I just don't see the need on the DL. It's funny going into the season we said the OL and the WR's were our strenghs. To these two unit have been the biggest dissapointments of the season. I'd take a OT or a WR.

O line is a good point. Samuels may not even be here next year, don't let Jake hear any of this talk about Samuels though. It hurt us alot just in penalties to have the constantly changing O-line. I of course am no expert but what happens if we have to choose between keeping Smoot and keeping Samuels? Would that mean we'd somehow have to accquire a CB and fill in the weak spots on the O-line? How in the heck could we do that? Ok I'm getting way ahead of myself. For now I agree on the O-line. And I think our defense with Williams coaching is only going to get stronger not weaker.

I bet you Gregg Williams already knows what he wants and needs to bolster (?) his top ranked defense. He's probably got a short list of potential draft picks in his pocket right now.
Oh, man...we're going to be something else next season. Look at what we have now, and the depth !
Who among us is still lamenting the non-signing of Kearse ?
I appreciate that GF acknowledges us as a "good game" next year. It's something that I'm sure he doesn't throw out there all that often.

A good defensive line starts in the middle. Without good Dts there aint no pass rush. (Just ask Julious Peppers). If we have a strong surge up the middle our Libebackers and DEs can get to the QB more efficently, because the gaurds will not be able to pull, do to the surge up the middle.

C Griffin needs help.

We do have other needs too. We do need a pass rusher for those 3rd down plays though.

TC I see us being like the 2001 Ravens. We are going to lay the wood. I like what BossHog said about LA..the best thing for him is to realized he's not the best player on D anymore...that now belong to ST!!

Assuming we keep most of our upcoming free agents i feel we have to either draft a (in order of importance)TE,DE,WR,DT. I dont know if there are any stud te worth taking in the early stages of the draft however, if there is one we need to grab him. I feel that if Mike Williams or Michigans Edwards is there they will be major uprgrades to our receiving core. If they arn't available we should not grab a WR. I feel a DE would solitify our D. We need a guy that can get constant pressure on the qb when we only rush 4. DTs are great for stopping the run and we have not had a problem with that this year so in my mind it is only a concern but not a pressing issue.

BringThePain! wrote:As much as I hate looking to next year this early...

All of you are "nizuts".... at least as a first round pick goes...

For a D-Line that didn't have what you call a premiere pass rushing DE.... they did a fine job, compared to years past of getting pressure on the QB and finding a pass rushing specialist in the later rounds is always an option... and we've seen with all the injury's, that we have enough depth at the other postions on this defense to maintain ourselves as one of the best in the league..

We have plenty of Depth/Heart at WR/RB even if we (i'm asking Santa to please make it happen) let go of 50/50..

We all know that if Patrick has enough time, he really can be a top notch QB in this league... he almost always makes his mistakes when he's pressured.... Jansen went down, Thomas got hurt, Samuals I'm sorry to say is good, but overrated... we need as much quality depth on that O-Line as possible.... an O-Line never stays fully healthy during any given season... and we hurt alot this year because the lack of depth..

If we're able to resign the majority of our free-agents this year... and draft nothing but one specialty pass rushing DE, and a bunch of O-Lineman... I'd be a happy puppy....

let someone else win the off-season superbowl for a change... I'd like to go into next season quietly...... no distractions, no carnival, just old time Redskins football..

Here we are again BTP...agreeing. I know we don't have the best Dline in te league, but how can anyone complain. Oline is where the problem is. I know with Jansen back things will be better, but he's only one man. With the possibility of losing the overrated Samuels, Jansen and Thomas would be all we'd have, period. Oline HAS to be addressed. That has been our achilles heel for many years and continues to be so.

But frankly, I'm still enjoying watching us lose while progressing at the same time. I'm done with this until the offseason.

DEHog wrote:TC I see us being like the 2001 Ravens. We are going to lay the wood. I like what BossHog said about LA..the best thing for him is to realized he's not the best player on D anymore...that now belong to ST!!

If you go back to the threads around the week after we lost to the Ravens, you'll kindly note that I mentioned that the Ravens had to learn how to win with a great defense and an offense that was essentially an afterthought. Until the Giants game two weeks ago, I thought that that was our new bag, too.
Clearly, though...the O is coming around. We have some serious stuff going on there. Wait'll Gibbs becomes more confident in his personnel.
I'll go one better than Boss and say that LA needs to realize that any player who has played more than he is a better player. Taylor is not your typical Redskin DB. He's loud, brash and abnormally talented.
He's also injury free, thus far.

I believe our biggest need is a Center. Centers never go in the first round though.

We currently have a 1st, 3rd, 4th, 6th and 7th.

In my world, we would trade Chris Sameuls for a 1st rounder, Rod Grander for a 2nd rounder, and trade down in the first round for a 1st and 2nd.

That would give us a 2 1sts, two 2nds, a 3rd, 4th, 6th and 7th.

I would then draft a DE and then a OT in the first round, a Center and then a DT in the 2nd round, a WR in the 3rd, and then the best available Lineman in the 4th, 6th and 7th.

To start next Season, that would give us
QB-Ramsey
RB-Portis
HB-Cooley
WR-Coles
WR-McCants
TE-Royal
OT-Molinaro
OT-Jansen
OG-Thomas
OG-Dockery
C-Raymer

DE-Warner
DE-Wynn
DT-Griffin
DT-Salave'a
SLB-Washington
MLB-Pierce
WLB-Arrington
CB-Smoot
CB-Springs
SS-Bowen
FS-Taylor

Hopefully, our Center and possibly our LT(depending on how Molinaro rounds out) by week 8. The DE and DT would probably start working their way into the rotation much sooner.

*Edit* If Alex Smith (Utah QB) was available with the first 2nd rounder, I'd take him there and trade up the other 2nd rounder to get our Center if there was a threat of him being taken.

Greg Williams and Greg Blache could make a solid defensive line that would pressure the QB out of snowmen. Besides, they're probably already on top of their list of potential guys to bolster our line. I say give Buges more to work with on the O-line or give our secondary some more help for situations like this year when we don't have anymore backups (aside from Jimoh!)

My Dream Draft:
Round 1: Heath Miller, TE, UVA
Gives Gibbs a real TE. I would compare him to a Todd Heap.
Round 3: Kay-Jay Harris, RB, WVU
Key to our draft. Solves short-yardage problems.
Round 4: Antionio Perkins, CB, Oklahoma
Don't know much about him, but I like his size.
6-1, 190
Round 5: Richie Incognito, C, Nebraska
He's got a great name. Plus Raymer and Friedman aren't getting any younger
Round 6: Bryan Randall, QB, VT
Very Underrated. He has potential to be a steal in the draft.
Round 7: Jim Davis, DE, VT
Relatively unknown, unless you're a Hokie fan. Great Size for a DE, 6-3 and 275 pounds

BringThePain! wrote:As much as I hate looking to next year this early...

All of you are "nizuts".... at least as a first round pick goes...

For a D-Line that didn't have what you call a premiere pass rushing DE.... they did a fine job, compared to years past of getting pressure on the QB and finding a pass rushing specialist in the later rounds is always an option... and we've seen with all the injury's, that we have enough depth at the other postions on this defense to maintain ourselves as one of the best in the league..

We have plenty of Depth/Heart at WR/RB even if we (i'm asking Santa to please make it happen) let go of 50/50..

We all know that if Patrick has enough time, he really can be a top notch QB in this league... he almost always makes his mistakes when he's pressured.... Jansen went down, Thomas got hurt, Samuals I'm sorry to say is good, but overrated... we need as much quality depth on that O-Line as possible.... an O-Line never stays fully healthy during any given season... and we hurt alot this year because the lack of depth..

If we're able to resign the majority of our free-agents this year... and draft nothing but one specialty pass rushing DE, and a bunch of O-Lineman... I'd be a happy puppy....

let someone else win the off-season superbowl for a change... I'd like to go into next season quietly...... no distractions, no carnival, just old time Redskins football..

I agree BTP you can never go wrong with good linemen. A pass rusher either a DE or a DT is a must and depth at o-line.

We don't need any help at DT at all unless it's a guy like Brentson Buckner and there are only three or four guys in the entire NFL like him. Drafting a DT in the first round is a HUGE mistake. Griffin and our no-name DTs are the best unit in the league giving up the least yards per carry in the NFL. What we need is a really good DE to complement those guys. Let's try patching up our weaknesses first guys!

First off, we need to get a really good center and a good guard or two. Center is by far our biggest weakness IMO. Samuels should stay, I've dogged him a lot but he's showed me lately that he can really play. It would be almost impossible for us to get an LT of his quality in the offseason. He still has to restructure though. We all know Jansen is the man and even though I'm not sold on Dockery, a lot of people who know a lot more than me (like Joe Bugel) like him a lot. We really need to improve our depth here too. I don't want anymore 42 year old guys out there blocking Jevon Kearse, although I must say that Ray Brown's effort and play has been quite astounding and inspiring. Hats off to him for showing that oldtimers can still play at a high level. I'm sure he's a great influence for the young guys out there too. I am hoping that Wilson and Molinaro are progressing and this new guy we've signed is good. Who knows, maybe these guys will be really good? Still we all know O-line is our weakest link right now. I think it would be cool to draft Elton Brown from Virginia because I always knew him as a basketball player until this year! He's very athletic (I meaan he's an ACC basketball player, to repeat myself) and is a great run blocker. I think that Mel Kiper has him listed as his #1 guard in the draft. A good blocking TE would be great as well.

Face it guys, we don't have a quality number two reciever on the squad bottom line. We have about four guys who would be excellent third recievers but none of them are good enough to start in this league. Gardner's had plenty of time to show what he has and he's shown that he is inconsistent and lacks focus. It's a joke to think he's worth a second rounder as well, remember TO got traded for a second rounder and even then Philly had trouble pulling the trigger although that was a different situation. Jacobs, McCants and Thrash are good but not great. Look at teams like Pittsburg with Wards and Burress and you can see one of the reasons why Big Ben is so successful. Only Coles is in the league of Monk, Clark, and Sanders, none of the other guys could have made those teams and that is a big reason we won with three different QBs. That and a great O-line and RBs. We know we have an RB, so if we can upgrade the other two units with some good young players this team can go places. No doubt, we have great depth at WR but you guys have to realise we have no number two guy out there. Again, it would not be unheard of for one of these guys to break out but for now they are not up to it.

Now we need another really good CB too. Smoot, Springs, and Harris have been awesome but please, Jimoh is still on the roster! 'Nuff said.

Last but not least, a really big need is a kick returner. Let's get a real speedster in there! I hope we can get someone to fill this role and be a big play threat. (Hehe, I would never put him back there but I was just thinking what Portis would be like as a kick returner and it made me smile! Now that would be fun to watch! Remember, Darrell Green return that punt where he hurdled the guy? That was one of the coolest things I've ever seen! Too bad he injured his ribs doing that.)

I think that if we could fill in these holes this team would become a lot more balanced and given our great D, we should definately be a playoff contender.

Antonio Perkins, CB, Oklahoma is a great kick returner. He runs a 4.35!

antonio perkins would be an awesome fit. a good 3rd cornerback or nickel back as well as a very good kick returner with deceptive speed.because our kick returning blows.and we need good depth at corner

Ade Jimoh should be cut.he sucks.