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I don't know if anyone else has noticed this but I have commented on it to Jansenfan a few times. Ramsey is a different guy. After game press conference and he sounds like he's sure of himself, sure of his team. Last year he always sounded so dejected, so shakey. This year he is a different man. To look at him you know he's gotten that confidence back. So anyone who has issue with Gibbs starting with Brunnell and moving to Ramsey needs to think about that. Whatever Joe's reasoning what he did here worked. And don't tell me Patrick's 1 interception cost us the game. If the D had played as solidly as they have in the past we'd have won as well. It was a series of mistakes and from Patrick I see constant improvement. And I'll take that over the same old frustrations and crap anyday. Seems like I owe some people a humble apology!

If the D had played as solidly as they have in the past we'd have won as well.



What are you talking about?

Compared to the preseason, Ramsey seems more confident. However, he still does not seem very
comfortable when he has to move in the pocket. Anyway, that was my impression.

Our D was incredible. Except for 1 bomb to pinkston and the bogus PI we held the eagles. holding them to 17 points is a great feat. Also keeping owens under 50 yds and a fumble is a major bonus. This game was nearly won by our D.

He doesn't seem comfortable because he is a pocket passer.

UGH YOU PEOPLE! First of all this was his 4th start with a brand new set up a brand new coach. I think he did darn well. The pocket passer crap is bull crap I was there and I saw him get out of the pocket several times to complete a few very pretty passes. He did a hell of a lot better then Brunnell ever did.

Secondly the Defense did NOT hold the Eagles in the red zone. We managed to hold every other team, except for the Eagles. Yet not even our run defense held them. I am not saying they did poorly because I think everyone played tough against a tough team. HOWEVER if they had held them to one touchdown, we would have won this game.

Here you go Unter, some stats for you. I am sick and freaking tired of people getting jumped on here because your personal opinion does not agree with what was posted. You could have politely said you did not agree. However since your response was assinine I will break it down just as I would for an assinine person!

During our visit to Philly our defense held the rushing within the red zone. There were 0 (NOTTA ONE) rushing touchdowns. When they visit us, our defense allowed for a rushing touchdown. Take that away. Hold them on the 3 yard line and score goes to 14-13. Close one but our victory. See the logic now????

NikiH wrote:UGH YOU PEOPLE! First of all this was his 4th start with a brand new set up a brand new coach. I think he did darn well. The pocket passer crap is bull crap I was there and I saw him get out of the pocket several times to complete a few very pretty passes. He did a hell of a lot better then Brunnell ever did.

Ramsey has been moving out of the pocket the last two games however this new to him which would explain why he isnt looking comfortable (just because he looks uncomfortable doesn't mean he is) Ramsey is doing as well as expected. I get the feeling he'll get much better before this year is out. His performance against Philly in game 1 and then facing Pitt has really helped his growth the Giants no it and I bet Philly is glad the don't have to see him again this year.

unter13 wrote:If the D had played as solidly as they have in the past we'd have won as well.

This doesn't deserve a reply but I will anyway

That was a joke, right

NikiH wrote:UGH YOU PEOPLE! First of all this was his 4th start with a brand new set up a brand new coach. I think he did darn well. The pocket passer crap is bull crap I was there and I saw him get out of the pocket several times to complete a few very pretty passes. He did a hell of a lot better then Brunnell ever did.

Secondly the Defense did NOT hold the Eagles in the red zone. We managed to hold every other team, except for the Eagles. Yet not even our run defense held them. I am not saying they did poorly because I think everyone played tough against a tough team. HOWEVER if they had held them to one touchdown, we would have won this game.

Here you go Unter, some stats for you. I am sick and freaking tired of people getting jumped on here because your personal opinion does not agree with what was posted. You could have politely said you did not agree. However since your response was assinine I will break it down just as I would for an assinine person!

During our visit to Philly our defense held the rushing within the red zone. There were 0 (NOTTA ONE) rushing touchdowns. When they visit us, our defense allowed for a rushing touchdown. Take that away. Hold them on the 3 yard line and score goes to 14-13. Close one but our victory. See the logic now????

You wish they would have held their rushing within the red zone? Eagles had a 2 yard rushing td. What where you watching? "D" played TREMENDOUS all over the field, caused TO to fumble in red zone, come on. Ramsey is developing fine, I'll agree with you on that.

T.O caught a pass. That is not at all effected by our run defense. We have been number one or number two against the run because of our ability to prevent running touchdowns.

Because I am obviously the adult in this situation I will just say that perhaps your idea of what happened is different then mine. Instead of replying like my answer is the absolute I gave you facts, stats, solid numbers that showed you exactly what I was talking about. If you choose to still talk down to me, then you can consider this the last debate football or otherwise you will ever see from me. There are people around here who can respectfully disagree with my opinion and I afford them the same in return. Obviously you are NOT going to be one of those people.

1niksder wrote:

unter13 wrote:If the D had played as solidly as they have in the past we'd have won as well.

This doesn't deserve a reply but I will anyway

That was a joke, right

Actually, bub...he was quoting NikiH's opening post. I noticed that too, but I'm going to disagree with NikiH, and say that our defense played admirably.
You simply can't compare what our D did to NY with the Eagles game. The personnel in Philly alone makes it not apples and oranges, but apples and those freakishly large pumpkins that win prizes at the 4-H fair.
We contained Westbrook, McNabb and TO. Who else can say they did that this year ?

tcwest10 wrote:

1niksder wrote:

unter13 wrote:If the D had played as solidly as they have in the past we'd have won as well.

This doesn't deserve a reply but I will anyway

That was a joke, right

Actually, bub...he was quoting NikiH's opening post. I noticed that too, but I'm going to disagree with NikiH, and say that our defense played admirably.
You simply can't compare what our D did to NY with the Eagles game. The personnel in Philly alone makes it not apples and oranges, but apples and those freakishly large pumpkins that win prizes at the 4-H fair.
We contained Westbrook, McNabb and TO. Who else can say they did that this year ?

Pittsburg.

tcwest10 wrote:

1niksder wrote:

unter13 wrote:If the D had played as solidly as they have in the past we'd have won as well.

This doesn't deserve a reply but I will anyway

That was a joke, right

Actually, bub...he was quoting NikiH's opening post. I noticed that too, but I'm going to disagree with NikiH, and say that our defense played admirably.
You simply can't compare what our D did to NY with the Eagles game. The personnel in Philly alone makes it not apples and oranges, but apples and those freakishly large pumpkins that win prizes at the 4-H fair.
We contained Westbrook, McNabb and TO. Who else can say they did that this year ?

Ummm....Pittsburgh

Seriously though. I agree with you about the defense. IMO, the defense as usual, is what kept us in this game. The Eagles have a very efficient offense, and they were far from efficient in this game.

As to the thread, I wholeheartedly agree that Ramsey is gaining confidence fast. He looked pretty composed against the Eagles the first game. He's getting more and more confident every game. This game, the only time he looked frazzled was at the end. That will be gone by the end of the season IMO as well. Next season, I think Ramsey will expect himself to make that great pass, or direct that drive down the field to put the game out of reach. Right now, he just hopes to....

This kid is gonna be seriously good in the very near future.

Glad to see another convert =)

In my book, though Ramsey may not have shown great confidence under Spurrier, he always conducted himself in the most admirable of ways. He never questioned the system through the tough weeks of last year when he was taking a pounding, and always had something positive to say. A real team player.

This year, to see him gain confidence in what is going on just makes me all that much more optimistic about his future with this team. Once he gets that poise down (without the cocky attitude and arrogance of, say, Tom Brady), then there's no telling what Gibbs will be able to do with his ability.

Ramsey is lookin good ut there for the most part. He connected some sweet passes to Coles and ey.

However, why would he just throw it away like that at the end, I mean come on now. If he ain't open don't throw it to him, just through it out of bounds or hitch it to Porty. Terreble way to end the game.

Ramsey is the qb of the future, I hope he learned not to throw away the ball game from what happened on Sundee.

Mondee, Tuesdee, Wednesdee, Thursdee, Fridee, Saturdee we crush the 49a's. 56-10

I agree with you about the "confidence" Niki! I also think that you bring up an interesting question about why Joe may have held him out. IMO Joe could not believe that MB was going to continue to stink it up so badly. I mean this guy was at one time a "decent" QB! Anyway, that is OVER!

I hope you're right! Ramsey is starting to look like "the man". We are "up the creek" if this does not work out BUT he is giving some good indications that he might just be as good as we all hope he is!!!

The play where he over threw ey in the endzone (not the last play of the game) he had Portis wide open in the middle about 10 yards from the line of scrimmage, and the play where he threw it away out of bounds right over the wide open Coles. These 2 plays bother just as much as the interception just because it means he's not seeing the whole field. He should know where his recievers are and what routes they're running on every play.

1fan4ramsey wrote:The play where he over threw ey in the endzone (not the last play of the game) he had Portis wide open in the middle about 10 yards from the line of scrimmage, and the play where he threw it away out of bounds right over the wide open Coles. These 2 plays bother just as much as the interception just because it means he's not seeing the whole field. He should know where his recievers are and what routes they're running on every play.

have you ever played in the NFL? Don't put to much stock into Ramsey not seeing the whole field OR not knowing where every player is gonna be on every play. It takes great QBs years to see the whole field and at least a couple years to totally know a playbook such as Gibbs playbook. It's a very complicated offense. Once Ramsey gets the the point where he doesn't really have to think about what he's doing, he'll be in the top of the league.

It also takes a few years for the game to as they say"slow down for the QB"

Ramsey will be fine. The more he plays, the better he will play.

As others have mentioned, think of how Ramsey is playing, and then think back on how every QB we've had since Gibbs has played. Even Trent Green, the best of them, was a liability. Arm strenth, remember? It's not easy finding even a good steady QB in this league. Don't even bother trying to figure out how hard it is to find a great one. If Ramsey continues to play at his current level, he is a steady QB. I think he will just keep getting better and turn into a great one. A Hall of Fame one even

I completely agree with you Scott I was saying it as I read 1fanramsey's post. One more thing I 'd like to point out is that Patrick knew he was throwing into enemy territory so to speak. He said in a post game comment that he thought "Chris could jump up there and grab the ball in the middle of them, like he's done before". It was a situation where he had just a little bit too much confidence in the rookies abilities. And I am sure with time he will learn what is possible and what is not out of our receivers, tight ends, and running backs. Give the guys time to gel together. It will all work out.

And I was not trying to say earlier in this post that this loss belongs to our defense. I'm just saying that Ramsey was not the only one who made mistakes. Giving up TD's is a mistake when you are on defense. And that was the point I was trying to make.

All I have to say is are defense played amazing. T.O. did nothing but get knocked all over the field. They sacked McNabb a couple times which is all you can ask, and Westbrook did nothing. The defense is the only thing to give us Redskins fans hope for the future. Unlike Ramsey they play without Fear. So please don't blame the defense for anything. The QB position has been the weak link all season long. Ramsey is a upgrade from Brunell but who would't be. Bottom-line Ramsey looks scared. And until he can win a big game I will not have complete confidence in this offense.

1fan4ramsey wrote:The play where he over threw ey in the endzone (not the last play of the game) he had Portis wide open in the middle about 10 yards from the line of scrimmage, and the play where he threw it away out of bounds right over the wide open Coles. These 2 plays bother just as much as the interception just because it means he's not seeing the whole field. He should know where his recievers are and what routes they're running on every play.

exactamundo!

portis was wide open just like the play in the GB game that got called back... he missed that because he looks for cooley first...

on the dreaded interception... mcants was open over the middle... but ramsey didn't see that either... he only has eyes for cooley...

I do have some good news.... (no, not my car insurance).... This is just a learning experience... Our coaching staff will show him and stress to him that you can not do that.. Ramsey is a smart guy and will be okay...

SkinsFan4Life wrote:Compared to the preseason, Ramsey seems more confident. However, he still does not seem very
comfortable when he has to move in the pocket. Anyway, that was my impression.

Sure, that is a fair comment but you cannot argue that his mobility has greatly improved. He is not taking sacks like he used to. The play he made when he ducked Kearse and put the ball on the money to ey in the endzone (unfortunately it was dropped) at the end of the first half showed good awareness and movement. He is far from Mike Vick and he never will be very mobile but he has greatly improved in this regard. I must also add that Chris Samuels has done a fantatstic job blocking his blind side over the last four games.

hkHog wrote:

SkinsFan4Life wrote:Compared to the preseason, Ramsey seems more confident. However, he still does not seem very
comfortable when he has to move in the pocket. Anyway, that was my impression.

Sure, that is a fair comment but you cannot argue that his mobility has greatly improved. He is not taking sacks like he used to. The play he made when he ducked Kearse and put the ball on the money to ey in the endzone (unfortunately it was dropped) at the end of the first half showed good awareness and movement. He is far from Mike Vick and he never will be very mobile but he has greatly improved in this regard. I must also add that Chris Samuels has done a fantatstic job blocking his blind side over the last four games.

I agree that his mobility has improved and hope it
will continue to improve. I don't remember him
moving very much in the pocket last year (under
Spurrier). Does anyone else notice this?

Also, I agree that Samuels has played very well the
past few games.