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I think the last pass Patrick threw shows what we need next year. That had to be a throw out of desperation. He had no idea that a redskin could catch the ball. He hoped ey could jump up and go over the two eagles in the area. There is definitely a need for a quarterback and a receiver who can get open

Totally disagree with you, just remember that Ramsey was that got the redskins there with a long pass, he played really well against a tough defense, he is progressing and he will be an excelebt qb for the redskins, it's not fair to judge him just by a mistake he made, if we saw he made 3 plays like that I would agree with you but it was a mistake just like everyone else, the same thing happened to Randy Moss one of the best players in the NFL so don't judge someone who made one misatake in a game, it happens to the best players in the NFL.

Need for a Qb yeah right. Brett Favre has done that a lof when he was young, Brady has blown games before. With Ramsey this team looks completely different and the offense looks completely different. One bad play doesn't erase the incredilble improvment of this offense soley because one player named Patrick Ramsey. Coles and y numbers have gone up drasstically why? Becasue Ramsey is the man. All Qb's have their bad moments, look at Mcnabb in his last 3 NFC championships and they were calling him to be benched. I don't think they want to bench him now. Bree's last year. Before this game the Redskins were talking playoffs, two weeks ago if you brought it up you would be ridiculed. Ramsey did something no other player on the team gave us. It was hope, Oh yeah our running game is even better with Ramsey at Qb. Look at Matt Hasselback after two years the Seahawks gave up on him and signed Trent Dilfer but a injury to Dilfer gave him another shoot and now they don't even think of trading him. It takes time and Ramsey has made great strides and has been playing well. To say we need another Qb is stupid.

I am amazed at all the flack Ramsey is getting for one pass. With the state of the QB's in the NFL and is comical to hear how everyone sees it as so easy to replace a QB. I thought Ramsey played a great game against the Number 1 team in the NFC. He made 2 or 3 bad passes and now everyone wants to get rid of him.

What about Mike Sellers, 3 penalties for 15 yards? How much did that cost the team?

How about Rod Gardner continuing to do his best Michael Westbrook imitation?

One play does not lose a game, it's 4 quarters and I am proud of the way the Redskins played last night. That team left it's heart and soul on the field and that's all a fan can ask.

JohnKilroy wrote:I think the last pass Patrick threw shows what we need next year. That had to be a throw out of desperation. He had no idea that a redskin could catch the ball. He hoped ey could jump up and go over the two eagles in the area. There is definitely a need for a quarterback and a receiver who can get open

I agree. The only problem is that I don't think any of the QBs in next year's draft are going to be worth a crap. I wish there was a way to get Rivers from the Chargers. I just don't see us ever winning a big game with Ramsey. Can you imagine the pain if we make it to the playoffs next year and are on the verge to win the game to advance to the championship and Ramsey throws a pick that loses the game? I know some will just be content that we made the playoffs and cut Ramsey a break. It seems like it's the same story every year. Ramsey is not a rookie. This is his 3rd year. How many chances do you give someone?

I guarantee that if it would have been Brunell who threw that pick last night that this whole board would have been filled with "Brunell is a bum", "cut Brunell", "Brunell is the worst QB the Skins ever had" threads.

JohnKilroy wrote:There is definitely a need for a quarterback and a receiver who can get open

I can't agree with you. We have Ramsey, who, yes, does make bad decisions at times but is overall the best QB we have, and Darnerien McCants, Chris ey, James Thrash, and Coles. All four of those receivers can catch the ball. Especially ey and McCants.

We could use Darnerien as our #2 receiver and trade Gardner in the offseason. (A kid can dream, can't he?)

Cant agree with you at all. Every great quarterback has cost their teams games in vital situations (not that im calling Ramsey a great qb). Anyone Remember when McNabb Threw a floater that was intercepted by Darell Green a bunch of years back that costs the eagles the game. It happens, it sucks but hes still young and learning. We have far greater needs in the draft other than attempting to replace an average qb with potential. We need a true pass rushing DE. Im glad we didnt go after kearse this offseason. However, you cant doubt how valuable a guy like Kearse is. When you get constant pressure on a four man rush. Thats what we need to truly solidify our defense as the best and most dominate in the league. We will strike fear into the hearts of every offense. Just like the eagles feared us last night.

No way, Ramsey is doing so much better. He's been with gibbs a year and he's twice the player he was under spurrier's system. In the game he was going for the dump off passes, even though they were short of the first down, he didn't try and force something downfield. He was checking down nicely, which shows why cooley had such a great game. He's still young though. Look in detroit and houston. Harrington and Carr are both still making lots of mistakes. Yet their teams are still sticking beside them. So lets give Ramsey some more time and see how much more he improves under a full year as the stater for Joe Gibbs.

Brandon777 wrote:I guarantee that if it would have been Brunell who threw that pick last night that this whole board would have been filled with "Brunell is a bum", "cut Brunell", "Brunell is the worst QB the Skins ever had" threads.

Can Brunell even throw that far?

I think you guys need to give my boy Ramsey a chance to play in Gibbs's system behind a solid line before you declare him a bust at QB. He is definitely a great talent -- he has a cannon of an arm, he just needs to learn to use it properly.

cvillehog wrote:

Brandon777 wrote:I guarantee that if it would have been Brunell who threw that pick last night that this whole board would have been filled with "Brunell is a bum", "cut Brunell", "Brunell is the worst QB the Skins ever had" threads.

Can Brunell even throw that far?

I think you guys need to give my boy Ramsey a chance to play in Gibbs's system behind a solid line before you declare him a bust at QB. He is definitely a great talent -- he has a cannon of an arm, he just needs to learn to use it properly.

Seriously cvillehog, what has he done that makes him such a great talent? Don't get me wrong, I want Ramsey to succeed. It will be one less hole to fill for next year. I thought the o-line last night played decent so you can't blame them. That interception last night was inexcusable. I could understand it if the ball bounce off one of our receivers and a defender caught it.

I'll hold off on my draft wishes for next year until this season ends. I may feel better about Ramsey if he leads us to a win over Dallas.

Brandon777 wrote:Seriously cvillehog, what has he done that makes him such a great talent? Don't get me wrong, I want Ramsey to succeed. It will be one less hole to fill for next year. I thought the o-line last night played decent so you can't blame them. That interception last night was inexcusable. I could understand it if the ball bounce off one of our receivers and a defender caught it.

I'll hold off on my draft wishes for next year until this season ends. I may feel better about Ramsey if he leads us to a win over Dallas.

Ok, I get it, you don't like Ramsey, or at least, you don't think he is the answer for the Redskins. But, he was a first round draft pick (was it 4th overall?). He has a very strong arm (he was the top HS javelin trower in 1997). He is a smart kid.

Does he have lot to learn? Of course! Do people who are learning make mistakes? Certainly.

He has been a gunslinger his entire football life, and Gibbs is asking him to play from a different philosophy. Let's see how he progresses for a little while before we ditch him. I mean, shoudn't he at least get as long a chance as Brunell to prove himself?

cvillehog wrote:

Brandon777 wrote:Seriously cvillehog, what has he done that makes him such a great talent? Don't get me wrong, I want Ramsey to succeed. It will be one less hole to fill for next year. I thought the o-line last night played decent so you can't blame them. That interception last night was inexcusable. I could understand it if the ball bounce off one of our receivers and a defender caught it.

I'll hold off on my draft wishes for next year until this season ends. I may feel better about Ramsey if he leads us to a win over Dallas.

Ok, I get it, you don't like Ramsey, or at least, you don't think he is the answer for the Redskins. But, he was a first round draft pick (was it 4th overall?). He has a very strong arm (he was the top HS javelin trower in 1997). He is a smart kid.

Does he have lot to learn? Of course! Do people who are learning make mistakes? Certainly.

He has been a gunslinger his entire football life, and Gibbs is asking him to play from a different philosophy. Let's see how he progresses for a little while before we ditch him. I mean, shoudn't he at least get as long a chance as Brunell to prove himself?

Fair enough. Hopefully he'll learn from this.

I think Ramsey played pretty well. There are a couple things to keep in mind on that bad pass he threw though, namely:

1. There was about a five minute wait before that play based on sheer incompetence on the referees part, that couldn't have helped one bit and I think that Gibbs and Ramsey overthought the situation because of...

2. Every time we get inside the red zone we seem to go backwards, I think they just wanted the quick strike to avoid another situation like that especially considering...

3. John Hall looks like he's playing at about 75%. Why don't people blame the loss on his pathetic FG attempt at the end of the first half? If we didn't pick more than six or seven yards he could not have made the FG IMO. I don't think he could have hit from more than 40 yards out.

Yes it was a bad play and a bad throw. Ramsey just reverted to his old bad habits for one play right at the end of the game. However, I think that there was one other play where the 'Skins missed out. It was by no means a bad play but it just didn't work and that was the pass Ramsey made at the end of the 1st half when he want for ey in the endzone. Ramsey made a great throw and put it right on the money but for once ey actually dropped a ball. If you analyze that play even more though you can see that Portis was WIDE open in the flat. If Ramsey could have hit him, it would have been a first down and maybe even a TD! There was nobody close to him. So there Ramsey made a great move to avoid Kearse (I believe) coming around the back and threw a beautiful pass on the money but it didn't pan out. However, he also could have dumped it off to Portis for a big play. Then Hall missed the FG. What I'm trying to say is EVERY play is important and there are so many different things that can happen in a game. He made a couple plays where he did the wrong thing but overall he is progressing and if ey comes down with that the 'Skins win and Ramsey never makes the bad pass at the end. However, he probably should have checked down to Portis. This stuff is so complex it's hard for fans to analyze. That one interception didn't lose us the game.

Finally, I would like to say that McNabb made a lot more bad throws than Ramsey did, and he's a Pro Bowl QB. What's more, he made these bad plays in clutch situations, too. One bad throw doesn't mean you're a bad QB.

Yeah maybe Ramsey shouldn't have thrown that ball, but from the replay it did kind of look like ey let him down a bit. Not even just that ey should have jumped up and won the ball. It kind of looked like ey was supposed to get himself into that corner where Ramsey threw the ball, and he just plain didn't.

Anyway, I could be wrong, but as painful as it was, I'm not sure that was the worst interception I've ever seen.

Ramsey played a pretty good game in my opinion and hopefully people won't overlook his effort.

On that play, I would've liked to have seen ey do a better job of breaking up that interception.

Also Mccants was wide open in the end-zone.

I can't believe you guys are blaming ey for that interception.

I cant believe that people are on Ramsey for his play after the past eleven years and the number of qb's that have come and gone. Let him play a few games before you start calling him Ryan Leaf. He has started four games and lost 3 of those four starts. Note...Those 3 losses went to teams that have a 92 percent winning percentage! Give the kid a break.

Trent Green faced enough criticism here. Had a season ending leg break in his time with the Rams (he probably could have won a Superbowl the way that Warner did), and has done well for himself at KC ever since. If we had more patience with him, it wouldn't have been as tough a few years as it was. Let's stick with Ramsey and see what he can do under Gibbs next year.

JohnKilroy wrote:I think the last pass Patrick threw shows what we need next year. That had to be a throw out of desperation. He had no idea that a redskin could catch the ball. He hoped ey could jump up and go over the two eagles in the area. There is definitely a need for a quarterback and a receiver who can get open

Not AT ALL!!!

Joe Gibbs has been taking this guy by the hand precisely to avoid putting him under situations that make him vulnerable to turn-overs.

So, Joe made the call and it went wrong. They went for it to win it all and not conservatively to tie. So What???

I love my Redskins!!! Can you people not see the REAL picture? Can you not understand the magnitude of the progress made???

Let me put it clear to you: IF we had made that play and scored, we would be EXACTLY in the same situation we are now. Yes, the win would have been sweet. BUT the process is going in the right direction. Philly has been killing everybody in the last few games. Did you see the face and expression of relief in Andy Reid at the end of the game? It was an exhalation of relief! He got beat up. He got a few players hurt. He got an ineffective offense. He got a couple of big gifts from the zebras that accounted for at least 10 points and without that his team would be down and out!

If I had the chance to talk to Patrick today, I would say THANKS!!!

If out of an entire game you are going to blame him for two or three darn plays, SHEEEEEESH! You better go out there and find a robot because nobody else plays as good a game as he did last night. The kid has a heart of gold! Every time somebody comes with this nonsense in a future thread will find me defending him from each and all.

Brandon777 wrote:I can't believe you guys are blaming ey for that interception.

No, not that one. We can blame him for the 7-point drop in the end-zone earlier in the game.

No, that interception you can blame on Joe. He will take the blame. If blame is all you are concerned about.

I, on the other hand, do not blame Partrick, Joe, ey or anybody else. I THANK them. They are taking us where we wanted to be all along. I saw a Philly team going down and a Washington team going up last night.

You can blame me for that too.

Redskin in Canada wrote:

JohnKilroy wrote:I think the last pass Patrick threw shows what we need next year. That had to be a throw out of desperation. He had no idea that a redskin could catch the ball. He hoped ey could jump up and go over the two eagles in the area. There is definitely a need for a quarterback and a receiver who can get open

Not AT ALL!!!

Joe Gibbs has been taking this guy by the hand precisely to avoid putting him under situations that make him vulnerable to turn-overs.

Yeah, I think it's so ironic that Joe Theisman and everyone was saying that the 'Skins needed to stop being so conservative and get the ball downfield when we most likely would have won if we kept the ball on the ground and threw short five yard passes!

All the guys played well, particularly Ramsey. One thing nobody seems to remember is that he took some big shots in the game too and on one he seemed to hurt his hand. But, tough as always he played through it and, as I said before, he outplayed McNabb and made fewer bad throws than McNabb.

Another thing, the kickoff to start the second half went to the 35 yard line. The announcers said Hall looked bad warming up. Was anybody thinking this guy is not ready. Giving Philly the ball on the 35 yard line really hurt. I also think the reason they only threw long twice reflects Joe Gibbs great game plan. Patrick cant see two receivers and can not throw accurately.

JohnKilroy wrote:Patrick cant see two receivers and can not throw accurately.

Did you not see the pass Patrick made to ey just before the interception at the end of the game. It was long, fast, precise and well-timed.

Patrick -can- see several receivers. It is just a tiny bit difficult when you have J. Kearse or somebody else on your face every play.

hkHog wrote:Yeah, I think it's so ironic that Joe Theisman and everyone was saying that the 'Skins needed to stop being so conservative and get the ball downfield when we most likely would have won if we kept the ball on the ground and threw short five yard passes!

Bingo! All we needed was a first down on the ground. All we needed was to capitalize on the 3 injuries along the D-line that we created! Having said that, can you believe how well Kearse played?!?!?! That Dude really is a freak!

Chad

chaddukes wrote:Having said that, can you believe how well Kearse played?!?!?! That Dude really is a freak!

Yes, and he was going against R. Brown. Kearse made several stops against Portis. I suspect that is why Joe attempted the pass. There were other injured DL P. players but Kearse and their LB were still there...