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the skins to me will go 7-9 for the rest of the season so forget playoffs. Next year we need a good WR and Jerry Porter is our man. Now we need a SOLID Te and im soory ey doesnt cut for me. He is not big enough so stick him as our FB(as he plays now). Next is QB i am a Ramsey fan but he doesnt cut it he to me is the next farve but not now. Brunell SUCKS. Hasselback SUCKS. Can you say Kitna.

Redskins2k5 wrote:the skins to me will go 7-9 for the rest of the season so forget playoffs. Next year we need a good WR and Jerry Porter is our man. Now we need a SOLID Te and im soory ey doesnt cut for me. He is not big enough so stick him as our FB(as he plays now). Next is QB i am a Ramsey fan but he doesnt cut it he to me is the next farve but not now. Brunell SUCKS. Hasselback SUCKS. Can you say Kitna.

Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!
First of all AFTER we get pass Illy this week we'll go 8-8
I thing we miss the playoffs though.
We don't need to bring in a big name high priced WR. Hopefully those days are over. Jerry did really step it up this year until he decided he didn't want to be in Oakland anymore. We don't need another guy that's going to turn it on and off when he wants we want a guy that's going to give 110% all the time(like ey)
Speaking of ey he is a H-Back not a Full Back and he'll be one of the best ever. I do agree we can use a TE but we need a pass rushing DE more, some offensive line help, and BACHUP for Pat Ramsey (he's been learning from Gibbs and Co. and I don't think we've seen anything yet )
I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head with your decription of Brunell but Hass is a seviceable #3 no more no less

At this point, I'm going to have to agree with you about Ramsey not cutting it. But, if he does win us the Eagles game and the rest of the season, I would not be worried about QBS. We would have to permanently make Brunell the QB coach instead of the player, Hasselbeck 2nd string, and getting a reliable 3rd string.

If Ramsey plays poor for the rest of the season, then we should definetly consider getting a QB.

Defense: Defensive End, RESIGN SMOOT maybe someone at safety. (Bowen wont be back at 100%)

Offense: Tackles and guards. Ray Brown must go. Hope Jansen is back at 100%. Pray Coles has surgery on his toe.

We need the same roster back healthy....

Stop thinking about Free Agents....


What we really need is a GM.... Please fire Cerrato....

In the draft we need a Center... Corey Raymer is garbage... We need that kid from Michigan... he is projected first round and can play guard or center....

Ramsey will be okay... we don't need a quarterback... but if we do go out and get one... I want David Garrard... we can get him cheap and the kid has huge upside...

We need a better nickel corner... Walt Harris scares me....

chicosbailbond wrote:We need the same roster back healthy....

Stop thinking about Free Agents....


What we really need is a GM.... Please fire Cerrato....

In the draft we need a Center... Corey Raymer is garbage... We need that kid from Michigan... he is projected first round and can play guard or center....

Ramsey will be okay... we don't need a quarterback... but if we do go out and get one... I want David Garrard... we can get him cheap and the kid has huge upside...

We need a better nickel corner... Walt Harris scares me....

I agree with all of this ...just two problems I think the Jags will try to hold on to David and as bad as I want Vinny gone and a proven personnel guy to come in that's going to be hard Gibbs is the Team President, he'd have to hire the GM who technically will be the head coach's Boss

1niksder wrote:

chicosbailbond wrote:We need the same roster back healthy....

Stop thinking about Free Agents....


What we really need is a GM.... Please fire Cerrato....

In the draft we need a Center... Corey Raymer is garbage... We need that kid from Michigan... he is projected first round and can play guard or center....

Ramsey will be okay... we don't need a quarterback... but if we do go out and get one... I want David Garrard... we can get him cheap and the kid has huge upside...

We need a better nickel corner... Walt Harris scares me....

I agree with all of this ...just two problems I think the Jags will try to hold on to David and as bad as I want Vinny gone and a proven personnel guy to come in that's going to be hard Gibbs is the Team President, he'd have to hire the GM who technically will be the head coach's Boss

I wouldn't put it past gibbs to see the way they are structured now just doesn't make sense... I think Gibbs will give up the GM type responsiblities (only to someone he trusts)

If Gibbs will give up the GM role he can just sit in the lab this offseason and draw up some nasty plays for next year... we don't need him flying around and closing deals on FA's... just coach gibbs... just coach...

and you are correct... the Jags will probably only deal Garrard for a high 2nd ... first round... otherwise they are better off keeping him in case Lefty ever goes down...

I bet Arizona will give up the pick to the Jags... Denny Green will make a move for Garrard... Garrard and those receivers... seems alot like how he built Minn...

We definatly need another wr for next year. Coles is great when healthy but that is a huge question mark at this point. Gardner and McCants shouldn't be starting receivers in this league and we havent seen enough of Jacobs to make a determination on him. As much as I love Mike Williams, our pick wont be high enough to get him so I would like to see the Skins go after Braylan Edwards.

chicosbailbond wrote:We need a better nickel corner... Walt Harris scares me....

I think Harris has been one of the pleasant surprises this year. He is a solid nickel back.

Man you people like to rock the boat!

I'm glad none of you guys are our GM! Chico is the only one who got it right, except for the nickelback comment.

Chad

Well heck, let's see what's working and what's not.

Defensive line - #3 in the league stopping the run. We need some help at DE because of injuries but with the way Williams runs his Defense, rushing the QB from the end position is quite as important as some other defenses. (FA or late draft)

Linebacker - One of the most solid group in the league without our starters playing.

Corners - Smith and Smoot are playing great but we could use one topflight corner.

Safety - Taylor will be the best ever. Bowen is great pending his rehab. The others aren't as good but we got a lot of them.

QB - Ramsey will start next year. If there is a stud QB available in the draft we go after him, otherwise save the pick.

RB - We've got no problems there barring injury.

Offensive line - We are hurting bad here. Our right tackle is 42 years old for cripes sake. Jansen should be back but Raymor is our only true center on the roster. We also need depth, depth, depth on the O-line.

WR - Our receivers are just awful. Even Coles isn't playing like the wonder trade we expected. Hopefuly that's due to injury but he's dropped a lot of balls. When I went to the Pittsburg game I watched the WR's a lot. Most of the time there wasn't a single reciever open. They weren't getting any separation at all and when they did, Ramsey either missed them or they dropped it.

TE/H-back - You can normaly find a fairly good TE in FA or later rounds of the draft. Winslow went in the first round last time and thank God we didn't pick him.

For this years draft I'd go a blazing fast WR with good hands and Offensive linemen. If it's broke, fix it. If it ain't broke, don't mess with it.

Well heck, let's see what's working and what's not.

Defensive line - #3 in the league stopping the run. We need some help at DE because of injuries but with the way Williams runs his Defense, rushing the QB from the end position isn't quite as important as some other defenses. (FA or late draft)

Linebacker - One of the most solid group in the league without our starters playing.

Corners - Smith and Smoot are playing great but we could use one topflight corner.

Safety - Taylor will be the best ever. Bowen is great pending his rehab. The others aren't as good but we got a lot of them.

QB - Ramsey will start next year. If there is a stud QB available in the draft we go after him, otherwise save the pick.

RB - We've got no problems there barring injury.

Offensive line - We are hurting bad here. Our right tackle is 42 years old for cripes sake. Jansen should be back but Raymor is our only true center on the roster. We also need depth, depth, depth on the O-line.

WR - Our receivers are just awful. Even Coles isn't playing like the wonder trade we expected. Hopefuly that's due to injury but he's dropped a lot of balls. When I went to the Pittsburg game I watched the WR's a lot. Most of the time there wasn't a single reciever open. They weren't getting any separation at all and when they did, Ramsey either missed them or they dropped it.

TE/H-back - You can normaly find a fairly good TE in FA or later rounds of the draft. Winslow went in the first round last time and thank God we didn't pick him.

For this years draft I'd go a blazing fast WR with good hands and Offensive linemen. If it's broke, fix it. If it ain't broke, don't mess with it.

hatsOFF2gibbs wrote:At this point, I'm going to have to agree with you about Ramsey not cutting it. But, if he does win us the Eagles game and the rest of the season, I would not be worried about QBS. We would have to permanently make Brunell the QB coach instead of the player, Hasselbeck 2nd string, and getting a reliable 3rd string.

If Ramsey plays poor for the rest of the season, then we should definetly consider getting a QB.

Wow! I can't believe this!

You guys are all trashing Ramsey after three starts, two against against top three teams, not to mention the #1 D in football! He has been efficient in all three and this past weekend had a passer rating of 139.2!!!!!

Every week he is getting better in an offensive scheme that is basically the opposite of what he's played in in the NFL and college! This is nuts! IMO he's played extremely well so far.

I was a critic of his at the begining of the year but he looks like a new player out there. Let's at least give him until the end of the season before we pass judgement.

Otherwise, the interior of the o-line really needs to be addressed. This is one area where free agents would be handy because it's hard for a rookie to come in and start on the line right away unless he's REALLY good.

The rest of the holes on the team could be taken care of in the draft. I think we need a WR. By no means should he replace Coles though. Coles is awesome, just get rid of Gardner. Definately don't get a free agent wide reciever, that's a bad idea. Draft someone good.

I think we also need a pure pass-rushing DE. The line has played awesome this year (they're giving up a league low 3.1 yds per carry), but adding a good pass rusher would make them that much more dangerous and create even more havoc for opposing QBs. That could put this D over the top.

We then need to resign Smoot and pick up another quality corner. Smoot and Springs have played amazing football but I think we need someone if one of them goes down. Don't get me wrong, Harris has played well and we should probably retain him but we need someone better and we need to get rid of Jimoh.

hkHog wrote:Wow! I can't believe this!

You guys are all trashing Ramsey after three starts, two against against top three teams, not to mention the #1 D in football! He has been efficient in all three and this past weekend had a passer rating of 139.2!!!!!

They also don't think ey is good enough either even though he has caught 5 TD's as a rookie in a run first offense. Clearly its Tony Gonzalez, and Peyton Manning, or nothing else.

I can't believe that you would rather have Kitna than Ramsey. I can't believe you would want some other teams cast offs, or an unproven rookie when you have a highly capable QB now. I understand the desire to build depth on the O-line and get a new center. I guess I can understand wanting new WR's....even though I'm sure if I comb through your old posts I'll find a thread from about four months ago stating just how good our WR's are and that we shouldn't keep drafting them.

Chad

I think we should try to improve the O-line and WR positions. How anyone can say ey is a disappointment is beyond me.

This place is NUTS. One good game against an awful Giants team, and people are proclaiming the Skins two players from an elite team.

We're two to three years from that level. And we need Philthy to drop a large amount.

httr

wonker

wonker wrote:This place is NUTS. One good game against an awful Giants team, and people are proclaiming the Skins two players from an elite team.

We're two to three years from that level. And we need Philthy to drop a large amount.

Who said that?
From what I can see we need at least 5.

WR? C'mon now. Coles is top notch, and Gardner, D-Mac, Thrash and Jacobs are all solid. You can't judge these guys fairly after they played half a season with Brunell. This is the same garbage that people were talking about Chris Samuels after he spent a year in Spurrier's crazy system!

I agree with the people who said we need to sign our team back - especially our defensive players and for once start next season with an actual core of guys who've played together for a while.

Maybe we can get a stud pass rusher or offensive lineman in the draft.

We need to retain our own free agents: Smoot, Salave'a and Pierce. Find a top-flight center and pass rushing defensive end. Continue to develop our young guys, Clark, Molinaro, Wilson and Jacobs. Release Brunell this year or next depending upon the cap ramifications, and add a developmental type of qb, Garrard or McMahon would be nice. Add a piece or 2 through free agency and build through the draft. It will be so nice to not watch a total dismantling of our team this off-season, it may seem kind of boring after the last 5 years or so, but the core is in place. Better days are coming.

riggofan wrote:WR? C'mon now. Coles is top notch, and Gardner, D-Mac, Thrash and Jacobs are all solid. You can't judge these guys fairly after they played half a season with Brunell. This is the same garbage that people were talking about Chris Samuels after he spent a year in Spurrier's crazy system!

I agree with the people who said we need to sign our team back - especially our defensive players and for once start next season with an actual core of guys who've played together for a while.

Maybe we can get a stud pass rusher or offensive lineman in the draft.

Yeah, let's blame Brunell for Gardner's dropped passes. I suppose it was Brunell's fault last year when Gardner was dropping them then. I guess we do need to draft another defensive player in next year's draft considering we're only see-sawing on the #2-#1 defense in the league. The Redskins drafting a defensive player will be like having a guitar amp with a volume knob that can be turned up to 11.

agreed.. let's keep the same group together for another year with the same coach and coordinators and see what happens.
i don't want to see us sign a lot of free agents. as for the draft, i'd like to see us go w/ OL & DL.

Look Gibbs is a coach, not a damn miracle maker.....
Washed-up-ington Should pick up a new:
QB
DE
DT
CB
SS
FS
WR
HB
FB
C
T
G
ETC....AH FUGIT
Cut the entire team except coles, portis, and arrington...

What?

PHILADELPHIAEAGLES wrote:Look Gibbs is a coach, not a damn miracle maker.....
Washed-up-ington Should pick up a new:
QB
DE
DT
CB
SS
FS
WR
HB
FB
C
T
G
ETC....AH FUGIT
Cut the entire team except coles, portis, and arrington...

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